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Elephant (2003)

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Michelle Gonzalez Michelle Gonzalez Member
38 messages
joined Nov 2004
#21 ·
<Supplicant> said:To avoid repeating my previous stance over at Elephant, I have decided to simply copy and paste a piece I wrote earlier—an anti-review, if you will, regarding this particular film.

#2 Title: Life on Canvas (Subtitle: American reality)

And just like that, it’s over... the Festival hits. Is there truly any question more melancholy than the one I am posing here, especially since I have no intention of offering an answer? I certainly don't wish to be one of those condescending types who acts as if everything is constantly improving, yet the local interpretation of this Festival has always moved me to tears. Still, one must tip their hat to the organizers, as they actually held events at the Kic this time around. Granted, the lineup remained identical, but the crowd was at least a fraction more sophisticated—you won't find anyone spitting on your neck in the middle of the set.
It all began with Gus van Sant’s "Elephant." When one decides to sit down and watch a winner of the Zlatan Palma, isn't one naturally laden with certain positive preconceptions? Yet, absolutely no one anticipated *that*. And "that" is neither an elephant nor a cinematic achievement. It is merely a story about American youth who: Walk. Indeed, the vast majority of the film's momentum relies on the protagonist walk. You spend your time staring at their backs, perhaps catching a glimpse of a chest here and there. A few of them even manage a couple of lines of dialogue—though, truthfully, they reveal nothing of substance, not even a semblance of life's truths. The director skillfully attempts to weave this into a narrative centered on a group of individuals, offering us various perspectives on the same events in an effort to imbue the film with a deeper tone; he is likely quite aware that psychological nuance is his preferred intellectual currency. As for these individuals: we have the blond boy with the alcoholic father (I believe his name is John—though I cannot be entirely certain, as I made little effort to commit the characters' names to memory), who, by some miracle of storytelling, actually suffers because of it. Then there is the athlete, who is presumably handsome and spends his time outside of the stadium with a mentally pallid brunette (though the film fails to depict this vividly). The school's outcast is the third creature the director so dearly loves: she wears oversized glasses, lacks any grooming under her arms, and opts for long socks during gym class instead of the sleek leotards worn by the other model-esque high school girls (she is essentially Carrie, if you were to strip away the telekinesis and add black hair). We also see a photographer whose very existence is vaguely hinted at, and finally, the queer kid. Yes, a boy who is bullied by everyone, despite being remarkably creative—a fact suggested by his room overflowing with sketches and a piano, where he plays "for Eliza" (Oh, heavens! The director insists you listen to the entire piece; surely no one has ever heard it before?). Only toward the end do the Creative one and his friend (whom, after a certain shower scene, you realize is actually his partner) order weapons online, enter the school in military fashion, and open fire on everyone. But even then, the director refuses to deliver a true massacre, which—if you ask me—would have been enough to raise the film's rating by at least two stars. Instead, he leaves you with mere blood splatter that induces nothing but a yawn, before ultimately returning to the shot of the sky and clouds with which he began his... his... whatever!
And when the final curtain falls, leaving you hunched over and feeling utterly drained as you stumble out of the local indie theater—perhaps realizing you don't even have enough cash left for those three essential liters of bourbon needed to wash away the pretentious nonsense that was shoved down your throat for the last hour or so—do you find yourself asking: What was the poet actually trying to say? Or more importantly, did they even have anything to say at all? Perhaps it is simply a case of certain individuals being fundamentally misunderstood by the mainstream, unable to survive such isolation, leading eventually to a structural failure that snaps at every seam—a tension that, in this instance, culminated in a literal massacre. I arrived at this conclusion only after hours of quiet contemplation, wondering to myself: What exactly did I miss tonight? If that is indeed the case, then one might give the director an A+ for finding a way to breathe new life into the concept of unoriginality; for the story isn't just shouted at the audience, it feels entirely unconvincing in our current American reality.
It is profoundly offensive, isn't it? There is a fundamental principle at play here regarding how these things unfold within the United States, and it strikes at the very core of our social fabric. If an American, after indulging in nothing more than a milkshake, finds themselves reaching for a weapon, what becomes of our generation—a generation where the lineage remains unbroken from father to son, and grandfather to that son? Where does the responsibility lie? How can we account for the Fathers and the Forefathers, who stand accountable before their Sons and before God?
Amen.


p.s.
The film takes its title from that childhood game, "Spot the Elephant!"... And that’s precisely the point: there is this massive, looming issue that everyone simply chooses to ignore. (Which, if I’m being honest, is perhaps the only clever thing about the movie itself.)
p.p.s.
I would suggest that Gus van Sant stick to more benign stories, like his work with benign godwillhunting & fadingforester.

YOUR REVIEW COMES ACROSS AS QUITE PRETENTIOUS.
Why is there such a desperate need to display gallons of blood? In my view, suggestion is always far more powerful than direct, graphic depiction. It isn't necessarily shocking, but it leaves a much deeper impression on the viewer.
Besides, the film is actually quite deliberate in its construction. Why does the opening scene focus on the father? Why is it specifically in that first moment that we see a parent, especially since it is the one and only scene where any parents are shown at all? It is because EVERYTHING BEGINS WITH THE PARENTS; everything starts with how one is raised at home...
There is nothing inherently special or overly dramatic about the final day of these kids' lives. Why should there be? It is just an ordinary day at their high school. As for the characters you claimed were "uninspired" or otherwise clichéd—don't such groups exist in every American high school, particularly during puberty? The jocks, the nerds, the popular crowd... even back when I was in high school in Chicago, it was exactly like that.

By the way, the film's title is a nod to the British short film "Elephant," which is very similar in structure—dealing with a few IRA-related killings back in the 70s.
redowl90 redowl90 Regular
287 messages
joined Aug 2005
#22 ·
Good God, what kind of cinephiles are you people if you actually "fall" for movies like THIS??? 😲 😲 😕
Anthony Miller13 Anthony Miller13 Active Member
61 messages
joined Mar 2004
#23 ·
I think the film is good—really good. Maybe even great. It’s certainly different from anything else.
It isn't exactly easy to pin down why. If you look at it objectively, there isn't much of a traditional plot; it lacks the standard introduction, rising action, and resolution, yet it possesses this certain "something." The film moves at a slow pace, filled with walking, ambient sounds, Beethoven... and no matter how slow it feels—which might seem tedious to some—there is a persistent sensation pulling at you. It isn't the fear you get from a horror movie, nor the suspense of a thriller or a drama, but rather a specific feeling that simply compels you to keep watching while your mind simultaneously wanders through reflections on what you're seeing. You find yourself asking "Why?" almost instinctively, though that isn't even the most important question. The kids are portrayed perfectly; that little boy with that particular look in his eyes, that flawless scene with the dog—wow—then the photographer, and that moment where he captures the killer kids just before death. Then there are those three girls who eat barely anything at the table before immediately and ritualistically rushing to the restroom to purge, serving as the climax of it all. These killer kids possess such a distinct quality—one can't quite put their finger on what it is—that right before the massacre, they tell each other to enjoy life, fully aware of how young they are and how much they haven't experienced or lived through (you'd expect them to want to survive). They even share a kiss just so they don't die without having tried it once (some people labeled them as gay—they aren't). I haven't seen characters captured this effectively in a long time. While it might not be strictly stereotypical, if you actually observe high schoolers, it really is.
All in all, a big 👍 for Gus van Sant, and I'm off to watch another one of his films.

PS: I loveeee how he works with the camera 😍
Chloe Rodriguez9 Chloe Rodriguez9 Member
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joined Apr 2003
#24 ·
I actually liked it: short, unconventional, and lacking that typical gut-wrenching indecisiveness—it’s just a filmmaker capturing scenes without feeling the need to spoon-feed us their personal interpretation of everything
though I suppose that lack of hand-holding adds to the overall sense of freshness
the cinematography was definitely the standout for me
northerntrucker2 northerntrucker2 Member
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joined Jun 2005
#25 ·
Please... if anyone happens to be feeling generous, could you possibly send me that DivX file? I’ve been searching everywhere, but I just can't seem to track it down anywhere.🙄
Anthony Miller13 Anthony Miller13 Active Member
61 messages
joined Mar 2004
#26 ·
northerntrucker2 said:Can someone please send me a DivX version? I can't find one anywhere..🙄

I don't have one, sorry. However, I’d suggest renting a high-quality digital copy from a service like Apple TV or Amazon rather than relying on DivX files. Most of those compressed versions are subpar, and frankly, the ones I've encountered lately were such poor quality it was almost an insult to the cinematography. :/

PS: Regarding *Mission: Impossible*—if I recall correctly, the killers, Alex and Eric, aren't actually brothers, right? And that scene where they're having breakfast and the old men tell Eric he could grab breakfast anywhere else... those are Alex's people, isn't that right? 🤔
northerntrucker2 northerntrucker2 Member
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joined Jun 2005
#27 ·
Sarah Long said:I don't have it, unfortunately, but I'd really suggest you try to find a physical copy at a rental place rather than relying on DivX, because honestly, those files are almost always terrible quality—most of the ones I've stumbled upon were just such a shame to watch since they looked so grainy. :/

PS: about those kid assassins—Alex and Eric, if my memory serves me right—they aren't actually brothers, right? And that scene where they’re having breakfast and the old guys tell Eric something along the lines of, "Hey, you could grab breakfast somewhere else," those are Alex's people... or am I totally off base here? 🤔

But yeah, I don't have the file either... and I actually doubt even this one place—it's basically the only video store left in town—even carries it. 😢
Anthony Miller13 Anthony Miller13 Active Member
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joined Mar 2004
#28 ·
northerntrucker2 said:But I don't even have the video... and honestly, I don't think anyone else has it either, since this is the only place where that movie is even mentioned...😢

In that case, all I can really do is tell her😢

😘
Alex Rogers96 Alex Rogers96 Member
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joined Apr 2005
#29 ·
Katy Perry said:Or that part where that Black guy walks... and you actually think something is going to happen... some dialogue or action or whatever... then just nothing. Nish, he just gets killed... while the whole shot is framed like there’s about to be some massive plot twist. Just brilliant.

It's brilliant because it's more realistic than something like Mission: Impossible. You walk, you walk, you walk, you die, and then you stop walking 😉
Dennis Doyle3 Dennis Doyle3 Active Member
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joined Aug 2008
#30 ·
I caught a movie yesterday. It clocked in at about 80 minutes including the credits, but honestly, they could have easily cut it down to 45 without losing anything. The whole thing was just bloated with filler.
And I really didn't get what was going on with that Black actor—was he actually close with those gay guys or is he just an idiot?
Rachel Roberts30 Rachel Roberts30 Newcomer
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joined Sep 2010
#31 ·
Ethan Howard45 said:YOUR REVIEW FEELS A BIT PRETENTIOUS.
I mean, why do you even need to show gallons of blood? Personally, I think suggestion is way more powerful than just showing everything directly on screen. It’s not necessarily "shocking," but it leaves a much deeper impression on you, I guess.
Plus, the movie is actually really well thought out. Like, why does the opening scene start with the father? Why is it specifically the first scene where we see parents, and also the only scene where any kind of parents are shown at all? It's because EVERYTHING starts with the parents—it all goes back to how you were raised at home...
There isn't anything inherently special or overly dramatic about the final day of these kids' lives. And honestly, why would there be? It was just a totally normal day at their high school.

Best,

(I just realized when this post was originally written 🤦, but oh well, signature, right?)
Justin Fisher Justin Fisher Member
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joined Oct 2011
#32 ·
I caught that one the other day, and honestly, I felt like it was a little overhyped, though it wasn't exactly a total bust either
Frank Lee10 Frank Lee10 Newcomer
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joined Jul 2011
#33 ·
I went into this movie completely blind; I had no idea it was based on a true story, and honestly, I didn't have any expectations at all—I just hit play and let it run. For the first fifty minutes or so, it plays out like a standard high school drama, and I thought the execution was solid enough, with a slow-burn pace and some really beautiful cinematography, but then those two characters step up, and from that exact moment, my opinion of the film jumped by two whole notches. It caught me completely off guard, and if I'm being honest, it was a genuine shock

SPOILER

The standout scene has to be the one involving the Black student... for a second there, I actually thought we were looking at something akin to Charles Bronson, but thankfully I was mistaken, because the way his story concludes is quite something. Once they acquired the weapons and started putting their plan into motion, the realism of it all hit me, and I realized it had to be based on real events given how much news coverage there has been regarding school shootings in America; the film felt incredibly authentic. Truly excellent work
frozenskipper12 frozenskipper12 Member
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#34 ·
This easily lands in my top 10 films of the last decade—perhaps even my top 5.

Does that not imply the work is nothing short of exceptional?

It was quite a shock, truly, especially since I had convinced myself that Gus Van Sant had lost his touch, only to have an Elephant emerge from the shadows.

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