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Star Wars: Revenge of the Sith

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Anthony Bailey Anthony Bailey Regular
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#61 ·
casualotter21 said:Sure thing, sweetheart.

Look, much respect to you, unknown. From what I can gather from your posts, you seem like a decent enough person, but once you start typing stuff like this to me? You’re really pushing my buttons. Just... whatever. 🙂

My bad...
😢
But honestly, I don't know about half the things I deal with,
but I am certain about what I just said...
I truly believe it—and besides,
it’s logical. It makes sense.

Maybe it just sounds weird or outdated in today's world...
😢
Jeffrey Ortiz7 Jeffrey Ortiz7 Newcomer
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#62 ·
Star Trek : Nemesis might be the final curtain call for this specific cast. From what I understand, Patrick Stewart turned down an offer for another installment. The movie isn't a total disaster, though; it feels more like they just ran out of steam after exhausting every possible angle for new Star Trek series and films. The special effects are top-tier for an older production, even if the plot feels a bit shaky. But honestly, what can you expect when there's zero creative inspiration left?
frozenridge63 frozenridge63 Newcomer
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#63 ·
To movie was a bit of a letdown for me, though I wouldn't say it was a total disaster... still, I don't see myself ever sitting through it a second time.👎
Megan Ruiz13 Megan Ruiz13 Active Member
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#64 ·
Chris Pratt said:😁
Why are you sticking your nose between him and me? Jealous? 😛
He's mine, period.
🙂

hehe, 😁
but seriously,
maybe I phrased that poorly—the word "treatment" doesn't quite carry the same weight in American English as "healing" does..

I just meant that unnecessary bellicosity
and extreme, harmful aggression in people will eventually become totally redundant and easy to fix..
because.. we'll know what counts as an illness and what doesn't.. what's acceptable behavior and what isn't..
We'll know perfectly well that bad actions toward others come back to haunt the person who started them.
And it’ll be clear (proven by experiments) that every crisis and social ill stems
from aggressive, "wicked," and negative thoughts and actions (which includes things like persecution, abuse, and bullying).

and...
the bioenergy example is actually good..
I've experienced it.. I believe in it..
and I think that's our future..
the power of the mind and personal energy standing against wars and various hostilities..


I hope that never happens. Just imagine if people actually do it, and then in maybe 100 or 200... doesn't matter how many years... some pissed-off, warlike aliens decide to invade Earth (who guarantees they won't do the exact same thing with their own DNA?)

How do you expect a bunch of pacifist wimps to defend themselves?

Also, I don't agree with you at all that aggression and violence are some kind of disease. It's completely normal, natural, and hardwired into every living thing on this planet..
Sure, a lot of evil comes from it, but that's exactly my point.
Humans are naturally wicked, and no nonsense about DNA or bioenergy is ever going to change that.
And you know why? Because people won't allow it.

Why do you think there aren't aliens out there similar to us, maybe even more aggressive?

Some say if they were evil, they would have attacked us already. That doesn't mean anything. Maybe they're waiting for the right moment, maybe we aren't interesting, maybe they're too far away and it's not worth sending a fleet all the way to Earth, maybe we're still too primitive for them to care... maybe... maybe....
Hannah Cox11 Hannah Cox11 Newcomer
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#65 ·
I mean, come on... what if time just resets? What's even weird about that?
That’s exactly why you call those kinds of movies Science Fiction.
A trivia night? 😁
Anthony Bailey Anthony Bailey Regular
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#66 ·
Even pacifist nations need a serious defense force.
game IMPERIALISM 2

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Gary Anderson38 said:I’m praying that never happens. Just imagine—people actually doing it—and then maybe 100 or 200 years down the line, some pissed-off, warlike aliens decide to invade Earth. Who’s to say they won't do the exact same thing to their own DNA?

How exactly do you expect a bunch of pacifist wimps to defend themselves?

And look, I don't agree with you that aggression or violence is some kind of disease. It's completely normal. It's natural. It's hardwired into every living thing on this planet.
Sure, a lot of evil comes from it, but that's my point.
Humans are inherently aggressive, and no amount of nonsense about DNA or bioenergetics is ever going to change that.
And you know why? Because humans won't let it happen.

Why do you think there aren't aliens out there who are just like us—maybe even more violent?

Some people claim they're too evil to even bother, so they haven't attacked us yet. But that doesn't prove anything. Maybe they're just waiting for the right moment. Maybe we aren't interesting enough. Maybe they're too far away and it isn't worth sending a fleet all the way to Earth. Maybe we're still too primitive for them to care... maybe... maybe....


Heh,
but the point is, those "pacifist wimps" will eventually become advanced enough that they won't *need* to defend themselves because aggressive, developed races simply won't exist.
The entire (advanced) universe will be like this:

They'll know perfectly well that any malicious intent or bad action carries an immediate consequence that the perpetrator feels personally.
And... I wasn't talking about mind control—just that in the future, it will be understood
that proper upbringing is vital if you want someone to grow into a functional adult.
We'll understand which actions and behaviors ruin development...
and how to help an adult solve problems without making the wrong moves. We'll know what's okay and what's not.
And we'll know very well the consequences of picking the wrong behavior.

Because if someone is just angry and warlike—they aren't going to be traveling the stars. They'll be fighting wars in their own backyard,
wasting resources instead of investing in space missions, and ultimately destroying themselves.
(The best example on Earth is obvious—during the Cold War, the Soviets were so obsessed with being aggressive and militaristic that they let their own people starve
until those very people finally tore down the system that was forcing them into war.
Or look at our own country—what we're doing to the planet right now—threatening our own survival by messing with the climate and facing catastrophic consequences...)

And no,
you misunderstood me (which is understandable since I didn't intend to get bogged down in the details of my theory)
I didn't say aggression itself is a disease.
Aggression expressed as anger is fine—as long as it stays within reasonable limits and is handled constructively.
What's diseased is extreme aggression. In fact, extreme violence and aggression are usually just the fallout from suppressed anger and misplaced rage.

I highly doubt there are aliens advanced enough to have attacked Earth yet.
For this reason:>>
-> If there were warlike alien races, it would mean there are interstellar wars...
And we would have detected that via Arecibo and SETI a long time ago...
I doubt a war, if it exists, isn't loud and escalating (meaning it tends to grow and expand, rather than shrink or die down).

If there were warlike aliens with technology like in Star Trek: Nemesis --- we would have known ages ago. We would have heard it, seen it, or felt the impact ourselves.

~ ~ ~
Make him realize that actions actually have consequences.
STAR TREK: VOYAGER
Andrew Williams Andrew Williams Newcomer
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#67 ·
Chris Pratt said:"pacifist wimps"

Erik! He actually used the P-word!! Watch out, there's a storm brewing tonight...
Anthony Bailey Anthony Bailey Regular
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#68 ·
😁

Andrew Williams said:Erik! He actually said the P-word!! I swear it's going to pour tonight...

I did not!
It’s inside the quotes! I was just quoting him.
😛
restlesslynx restlesslynx Member
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#69 ·
Perhaps the sheer scale of the universe is such that a species can only be located by another that has spent countless millennia evolving toward the specific technological threshold required for rapid interstellar travel. If such a civilization has endured for that long without succumbing to self-destruction, one must assume they have achieved a level of stability and pacifism; they likely wouldn't even bother making contact with younger, more bellicose races. 🙂
Megan Ruiz13 Megan Ruiz13 Active Member
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#70 ·
restlesslynx said:Maybe space is just so massive that a species can only find another if they've been evolving for thousands upon thousands of years—just long enough to reach the tech stage where they can travel fast enough. And if they've survived that long without wiping themselves out, they’re bound to be civilized and peaceful. They probably won't even bother making contact with younger, more aggressive races. 🙂

Those kinds of species might exist; honestly, it makes sense. But why jump to the conclusion that a highly advanced race couldn't also be aggressive?
Just because they haven't destroyed themselves doesn't prove anything. Maybe they just realized there are other species out there they can use to fight their battles instead of killing each other.
I doubt anyone can truly go against their own nature.

If a species starts on a planet (like ours) where you either kill or get eaten, it’s hard to expect that instinct to vanish from their DNA after a few thousand years.

Take the planet in Star Trek : Nemesis where they found the Datin "clone"—those monsters that attacked them. You really think they'd suddenly become different just because they figured out how to travel through space?
Olivia Sanchez7 Olivia Sanchez7 Newcomer
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#71 ·
C'Tebo said:I was expecting much less, but I ended up getting way more.

I was hoping for more, yet I walked away with less.
Anthony Bailey Anthony Bailey Regular
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#72 ·
Exactly!!

Spot on!!

🙂 🙂

restlesslynx said:Maybe space is just so massive that a species can only be found by another race that’s been evolving for thousands upon thousands of years—long enough to hit the tech stage required for fast interstellar travel. And if they’ve survived that long without wiping themselves out, they’re bound to be highly civilized and peaceful. They probably wouldn't even bother making contact with younger, more aggressive races! 🙂

And there’s a huge chance they’ve advanced so much
that they’re actually seeding life on other planets and galaxies
🙂
Anthony Bailey Anthony Bailey Regular
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#73 ·
Gary Anderson38 said:But why dismiss the possibility right away that there could be a highly advanced yet aggressive race out there in space?
The fact they haven't wiped themselves out doesn't prove anything.

Still... I just don't see how it's realistic to expect advanced, malicious races to possess technological capabilities like we see in Star Trek : Nemesis

And here is why:

- There’s a universal rule of karma in the cosmos—if you put bad energy out there, it comes back to hit you. Advanced civilizations and higher minds understand this better than anyone.

- Evolution naturally trends toward balance. Entities that constantly dive into wars and conflicts have to burn massive amounts of energy and resources on fighting instead of actual progress...
Which means those kinds of wars would have been detected right here on Earth by now.
Plus, the very concept of war is rooted in a hunger for power and dominance... which is ultimately self-limiting. A race stuck in that loop wouldn't have the intellectual depth or the drive necessary to master interstellar travel.
Megan Ruiz13 Megan Ruiz13 Active Member
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#74 ·
person said:Still... it’s just not realistic to expect advanced evil races to have tech comparable to, say, Star Trek : Nemesis.

And here is why:

- There’s a universal rule of karma out in space—if you do bad things, they come back to haunt you. Advanced species and minds would be well aware of that.

- Intelligence and behavior naturally tend toward balance. Entities that sink themselves into wars and conflicts have to dump massive amounts of energy and resources into fighting rather than self-improvement...
Which means those kinds of wars would likely be detected right here on Earth.
Plus, the very concept of war implies a hunger for power and dominance... which is inherently self-limiting. A race wouldn't have the necessary development or interest to master interstellar flight if they were stuck in that loop.


Americans went to the moon basically in tin cans, and the only reason we did it was because of a rivalry between opposing superpowers.
Almost all technological progress on this planet has happened during or immediately following a major conflict.
So, the idea that destructiveness holds us back doesn't hold water. If anything, it drives tech forward. And you mentioned that a certain balance must exist.
Humans have dreamed of peace and a world without war since the beginning of time. There have always been people fighting for peace, but wars have happened and they will continue to happen. There will always be leaders for them, and technology will keep advancing. During peaceful eras, the more peaceful part of the population will be the ones building the tech for space travel.

Besides, why would we even need to detect a war in space? That's a moot point. Our current tech is way too primitive for something like that. A war could be happening millions of light-years away and we wouldn't notice—not yet, anyway. By the time any signals reached Earth, thousands of years would have passed.
rapidstag74 rapidstag74 Active Member
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#75 ·
Here is the ultimate Nemesis IQADD review.
It’s so good I didn't even need to watch the movie.
Anthony Bailey Anthony Bailey Regular
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#76 ·
Gary Anderson38 said:Why on earth would we even detect a space war? It’s pointless. Our tech is way too primitive for that kind of thing anyway. A conflict like that could be happening millions of light-years away, and we wouldn't register a thing simply because of the distance. By the time those signals actually hit Earth, thousands of years will have passed.

Look, SETI has already scanned a massive chunk of territory—and they did it thoroughly..
And a war? A real war isn't quiet or hidden..

Conflict is inevitable... it's just a matter of how they play it out in the future, because
advancing technology is going to (only) destroy the ones who are truly aggressive and completely out of control.
Anthony Bailey Anthony Bailey Regular
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#77 ·
rapidstag74 said:Check out this killer review of Nemesisa IQADD.
Honestly? It’s so good I didn't even bother watching the movie.


hehe 😁

it's solid
😉

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If there are any lifeforms out there, we could no more make peace with them than we could befriend a jellyfish. Their communication would be through a series of intricately-shaped clouds of flesh-burning enzymes, their idea of a "hug" would reduce a human body to a spray of wet hamburger. Not that we would ever get that far; their mere appearance would be so horrific to us that we would immediately be driven into the primal, murderous dementia that is the foundation of all human personality.

😁 😁
Megan Ruiz13 Megan Ruiz13 Active Member
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#78 ·
Folding@home has already scanned a massive chunk—and done it thoroughly..
War is war, though. It isn't quiet or hidden..


I get it, Folding@home is right about this; currently, I'm looking for little green men.😁
But space is just too vast for us to have scanned it all yet.
It feels a bit overambitious to think we could actually detect something at those kinds of distances. Like I said, the universe is huge and relatively young, so maybe those signals haven't even reached us. Still, if there are other civilizations out there, I truly believe some of them will be similar to us (God help us...) with high levels of technology. It’s not impossible.

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