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F1 Montreal GP: June 7-9, 2019

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crimsonhawk23 crimsonhawk23 Member
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#21 ·
mellowtiger83 said:I didn't even bring up Ayrton Senna—not that I was planning to. I guess you haven't gone and picked up some kind of Suzuki yet—maybe. !

Max and Kimi from last year's US Grand Prix—yeah. Not since Ayrton Senna has anyone seen anything quite like that, I guess.

mellowtiger83 said:Ayrton Senna never actually said he did that on purpose—you’re misrepresenting him again. He said something else entirely, which I suppose you’ve interpreted your own way—given how often you misread things—so I can't say I'm surprised.

Maybe just watch a documentary instead?

fadedpanther51 said:Does it just feel like one giant totalitarian regime paired with some incredibly greasy PR? Sebastian Vettel is playing the victim—which, let’s be honest, he basically is—but doing it in such an attention-seeking way, while Lewis Hamilton gives him those patronizing pats on the back just for the cameras. I think I’d actually prefer Hamilton if he just looked him dead in the eye on camera and said, "Suck on this, you little German." 😁

I suppose I agree. 👍 Since Lewis and Sebastian seem to get along quite well personally—I’m not sure if they're close friends per se, but they maintain a very respectful rapport—I don't really think Lewis was being intentionally malicious or trying to put Sebastian down.
mellowtiger83 mellowtiger83 RegularOP
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#22 ·
stormyviper2 said:I don't have any beef with anyone on this sub, honestly. 😉 I'm perfectly fine debating anyone, but I suspect things are about to turn into a total bloodbath here. It’s probably best to just lock this thread down now.

It was inevitable there would be a slaughter, given that crimsonhawk23 is lying through his teeth and hunting through my old posts just to try and scrub his own reputation.
Kyle Edwards5 Kyle Edwards5 Active Member
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#23 ·
crimsonhawk23 said:


😬
Look, this isn't even remotely the same situation as what we saw today. Max was already defending himself before the chicane; he forced the issue on purpose because there was no other way to defend. He simply couldn't take that corner normally otherwise.
When he entered the chicane, Kimi was roughly...

Sebastian lost his rear end entering the corner where he wasn't even directly defending against Lewis Hamilton. Hamilton was at least two car lengths away from Sebastian's rear wheels when he hit the turn. Sebastian didn't even fully shut the door on him like Max did to Kimi...
Jason Campbell70 Jason Campbell70 Veteran
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#24 ·
stormyviper2 said:Look, I don't have an issue with anyone on this sub, truly. 😉 I'm fine debating anyone, but honestly? This is going to turn into a bloodbath. It’s probably best to just lock this thread.

A bloodbath? Hardly.
Just a frustrated meltdown from a group that can't handle the facts? Yeah, that sounds more likely.
mellowtiger83 mellowtiger83 RegularOP
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#25 ·
crimsonhawk23 said:Max and Kimi from last year's US Grand Prix, sure. Not since Ayrton Senna has anyone even come close to an S. Quote.

Give me a break. Why don't you just watch the documentary instead?

I've watched them all a hundred times.
crimsonhawk23 crimsonhawk23 Member
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#26 ·
Honestly, cosmiccyclist8, I didn't even remember he existed—he’s on my ignore list—until I saw him quoted over by stormyviper2 🤦

mellowtiger83 said:It’s pretty predictable there’ll be a bloodbath when crimsonhawk23 starts lying and hunting through my posts just to clear his own name.

🤣 😘

Kyle Edwards5 said:To me, this isn't at all the same situation as today. Max was already defending himself against the chicane, and he arguably did this intentionally because there was no other way to defend—he wouldn't have made the corner normally otherwise.
Entering the chicane, Kimi was roughly...

Sebastian Vettel lost the rear entering the corner where he wasn't directly defending from Lewis Hamilton. Entering the turn, he was at least two car lengths
away from Vettel's rear wheels. Chuck didn't even completely shut him out the way Max did to Kimi...

He couldn't fully shut him out because Lewis could only go into the wall (unlike Kimi, who actually had some "space" off-track). The initial setup isn't identical, obviously, but the outcome is. Penalties are based on the final result, not how things started 🤷

mellowtiger83 said:I've watched them all a hundred times.

Then you probably need to look closer—or maybe just turn up the volume and actually listen instead of just watching.
Grace Cruz Grace Cruz Newcomer
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#27 ·
The chaos starts up again after every race involving a questionable call. But hey, that's just how it goes. A hundred different people, a hundred different opinions. If we're being objective, Sebastian Vettel completely botched it for no reason. Now, whether there should have been a penalty or not? We could argue about that until the end of time. Everyone is going to have their own take, and we'll never see eye to eye on it.

Watching the race live was alright. It got a bit dull right up until that Vettel vs. Lewis duel, but once they announced the penalty, the grandstands absolutely erupted into debate.

Meanwhile, there was this group of four guys shouting "Grosjean!" every single time he hit the hairpin. That is, until some guy yelled out, "He can't hear you!"

By the way, crimsonhawk23, no hard feelings. Let's try to bring this discussion back down to earth. Here, take my hand.
fadedpanther51 fadedpanther51 Active Member
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#28 ·
What’s going on with the discussion above—did Senna intentionally ram Prost?
Jason Campbell70 Jason Campbell70 Veteran
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#29 ·
Is there any chatter going around the paddock? 🍿
stormyviper2 stormyviper2 Member
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#30 ·
Jason Campbell70 said:Is there any chatter going around the paddock? 🍿

I just remembered I thought Jerry Moore61 was at the race—does he have any inside info from the ground?
cosmiccyclist8 cosmiccyclist8 Active Member
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#31 ·
Michael Jackson10 said:So you're telling me you'd pull all that off while floating mid-air?
Seriously though... that game you're playing apparently has some incredibly faithful physics...
But let's be real—you probably don't even ride a bike in real life...

This whole thing should have been discussed after the race, once everyone had actually cooled down...

👍
crimsonhawk23 crimsonhawk23 Member
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#32 ·
fadedpanther51 said:What’s all this debate above—was Ayrton Senna intentionally ramming Alain Prost?

Not quite. I was just following up on how Mario—who is a guy I actually quite like, mind you, despite our little "clash" here 😁—tends to see only what he wants to see. For instance, his take was that Prost was turning left and slamming into Senna from the right side; then Mario called me out for lying, so I ended up quoting his own words back to him just so he could stay stuck in his own logic 😍
hiddensailor7 hiddensailor7 Member
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#33 ·
Richard Walker38 said:After sliding off the track, a professional driver would have steered left, regained control, and kept going, knowing they lost their spot due to their own mistake.

Enters Sebastian Vettel

So, you lose control, go wide, floor it, fight the steering wheel, and then somehow use that "loss of control" as an excuse to dive right back onto the racing line, cutting off the driver behind you. And suddenly, once you've blocked them, you magically regain perfect control—even though just seconds earlier, you were supposedly struggling with grass on your tires.

Is this what you mean?

I guess this is exactly like today's situation: a leader loses control when they aren't in a direct fight, then rejoins the track and immediately jumps back into contention by cutting off the driver chasing them.
At the moment Max went wide, Max Verstappen and Kimi Räikkönen were actually in a direct battle; I mean, Kimi was right on his gearbox when he went off, not even a second and a half behind him. 🍿

Of course Lewis Hamilton didn't get penalized back then, and I suppose he wouldn't have been penalized today either if the roles were reversed. ☕
fadedpanther51 fadedpanther51 Active Member
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#34 ·
@crimsonhawk23/">@@crimsonhawk23 Look, both Ayrton Senna and Alain Prost definitely did things they aren't exactly proud of, but hey, they had their own style and they didn't give a damn. 😁
Grace Cruz Grace Cruz Newcomer
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#35 ·
stormyviper2 said:I just realized I thought Jerry Moore61 was at the race. Any inside intel from the track?


The crowd was completely fed up by the end. I’m not sure how much coverage the TV networks gave it, but the backlash was palpable. About half the fans started heading for the exits roughly five minutes after they announced the penalty for Sebastian Vettel. It shouldn't come as a surprise; New York City is traditionally a stronghold for Ferrari fans.

There were some Germans sitting near me who were adamant the penalty was total garbage. Then you had the British contingent. Those three specifically argued the penalty was fair enough, though they admitted they would have preferred seeing Lewis Hamilton hold his position on the track.

Sent from my iPhone
Jason Campbell70 Jason Campbell70 Veteran
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#36 ·
Jason Campbell70 said:Crimsonhawk23, why are you messing with Mario?


Jerry Moore61 said:Crimsonhawk23

fadedpanther51 said:Crimsonhawk23


Starting a new trend. 🎉
coastalwolf6 coastalwolf6 Member
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#37 ·
hiddensailor7 said:Is this your take?


It’s an identical situation to what we're seeing today.
It isn't.

At the exit here, Lewis Hamilton maintains control over the car, which actually makes Hamilton's situation worse.
cosmiccyclist8 cosmiccyclist8 Active Member
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#38 ·
Jerry Moore61 said:The crowd was absolutely livid by the end. I’m not sure how much of it made the broadcast, but the vibe was pretty negative. About half the stands started heading for the exits just five minutes after they announced the penalty for Sebastian Vettel. Honestly, it’s not surprising—New York City is traditionally a huge stronghold for Ferrari fans.

There were some Germans sitting near me who were saying the penalty was total garbage. Then you had the British contingent... those three specifically seem to think the penalty was fair enough, though they’d probably preferred if Hamilton had just cleared him on track.

Sent from my iPhone

Man, considering how many people in the paddock were rushing around interviewing everyone, you'd think the penalty would have been 👎
stormyviper2 stormyviper2 Member
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#39 ·
Jerry Moore61 said:...

It’s going to be really interesting to catch all those post-race PR interviews over on YouTube.
Amanda Kelly Amanda Kelly Regular
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#40 ·
Jerry Moore61 said:... I had some Germans standing next to me saying the penalty was total garbage. Then you’ve got the British crowd. Those three are actually claiming the penalty was fine, but they'd have preferred seeing him make the pass on the track instead....

Look, he got penalized because he couldn't find a way past him on the track. Simple as that.

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