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F1 Montreal GP: June 7-9, 2019

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Grace Cruz Grace Cruz Newcomer
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#41 ·
It felt like a total anticlimax at the finish.
Everyone was on edge, glued to the screen the entire race. But when they flashed that penalty on the monitors? The whole energy just evaporated. Half the crowd started heading for the exits, and those who stuck around just went dead silent.

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stormybadger8 stormybadger8 Veteran
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#42 ·
stormyviper2 said:It’ll be fun watching those post-race PR interviews on YouTube.

https://wtf1.com/post/racing-drivers...tels-penalty/?

Funny seeing Damon Hill, Nigel Mansell, and Jenson Button all agreeing that this penalty is total nonsense...
I could deal with it if it were just Germans, but when the Brits chime in? Yeah, we've got a problem.😬

Liberty seriously needs to step up and put out this fire...
If they keep pulling this kind of stupid stuff, they're going to kill off what little viewership is left.
gentlemoose57 gentlemoose57 Active Member
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#43 ·
coastalwolf6 said:It’s just not the same thing.

Down here at the exit, Lewis Hamilton actually has full control over his car—which, honestly, makes his predicament even worse than you'd think.

They aren't identical situations—there's no "unsafe reentry" involved here, so you can't really slap them with that kind of penalty.
Grace Cruz Grace Cruz Newcomer
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#44 ·
stormybadger8 said:https://wtf1.com/post/racing-drivers...tels-penalty/?

It is quite telling to see Graham Hill, Nigel Mansell, and Jenson Button all agreeing that this penalty is complete nonsense...

If it were the Germans, fine, whatever. But when you have the British chiming in like this? It’s getting hard to justify.😬

Liberty absolutely needs to step up here and put out this fire...

Because if they keep pulling stunts this stupid, they’re going to alienate the tiny sliver of viewership we have left...


Once you factor in these driver comments—including Mark Webber, who never exactly had a warm relationship with Sebastian Vettel, and the legendary Maria Andretti—there isn't much left to say.
stormyviper2 stormyviper2 Member
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#45 ·
It’s kind of strange that Nico Rosberg hasn't posted anything on Twitter yet.
gentlemoose57 gentlemoose57 Active Member
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#46 ·


Haha.

The guy’s got a point—if he had actually spun out like that on Friday or Saturday, there's no way he'd be coming back onto the track with his foot floored, hugging the racing line like nothing happened.
coastalwolf6 coastalwolf6 Member
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#47 ·
gentlemoose57 said:It isn't identical. Without an unsafe release, those specific penalties don't apply.

Exactly. There was no unsafe release; the driver had full control. Someone intentionally shoved Ricciardo into the barriers, which caused him to yield to Lewis Hamilton. Otherwise, things could have been much worse.
Amanda Kelly Amanda Kelly Regular
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#48 ·
Sebastian Vettel earned that win today.
He managed to pull away from a faster car quite nicely. That final qualifying lap was nothing short of brilliant.
He did make one mistake during the race, but I’m pretty sure he wasn't trying to block anyone. Honestly, the penalty they handed out for it is highly debatable.

Lewis Hamilton tried everything to overtake him on track, desperate to prove he was the better driver or could win regardless of the penalty. He didn't need to take those risks.
I actually enjoyed watching that part.
But at the end of the day, Lewis just looks pathetic to me. He doesn't need this. He doesn't need a win like this. He’ll have hundreds more anyway. If he had just conceded the five seconds, he would have been a legend in my eyes. A true icon. It’s cheap to hide behind your own crowd. Almost everyone does it. The real class is when you earn the respect of the opposing side. Those people are rare.

So, unfortunately, Lewis remains a spoiled brat in my book. He acted like a characterless hypocrite today, and he had the chance—a massive one—to be better.
Grace Cruz Grace Cruz Newcomer
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#49 ·
There it is!

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Nicholas Newman2 Nicholas Newman2 Member
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#50 ·
What the German commentator said during and after the race on CBS.

In my opinion, he could have handled the reentry much better. Ferrari has a world-class driver on a massive double-digit million dollar contract, and a driver of that caliber should know how to rejoin the track properly. A pilot at that level always knows where his opponent is and is constantly looking for the right moment to make a move.
Sebastian Vettel prevented that from happening with this maneuver, which is something I can understand from a purely driving standpoint.

He messed up because he allowed himself to go off the track in the first place, and that’s why he paid the price. Anything else is just noise. Think about it—if you lose control in Turn 1 like that, what does a reentry even look like when everyone else is coming back in at full throttle? No one would be able to control their car; they’d all just plow straight ahead. When you go off onto the grass, you don't push it; you just get back on the track. You don't race on the grass; the track is for racing.

When asked by a colleague what he would do if he were the steward, personally, I wouldn't hand out a penalty this harsh. It feels extreme, and it's a shame that the officiating isn't more consistent. If I really have to judge the incident, the fault lies with Vettel; the rules are clear. But if I were calling the shots, I'd just give him a warning.
Grace Cruz Grace Cruz Newcomer
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#51 ·
Exactly. I’m in total agreement with what Jenson Button said here. If he doesn't know, then frankly, who does? He’s a genuine expert, unlike the rest of us gathered here, when it comes to actual racing and handling an F1 car.

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.moto...s/4461232/amp/
stormybadger8 stormybadger8 Veteran
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#52 ·
gentlemoose57 said:


Hehe.

The guy's right—if he’d flown off like that on Friday and Saturday, he wouldn't be hitting the racing line with the pedal floored like this.

Cheering for one driver over another and supporting the destruction of a race just because some suits made an administrative call in a back room... only someone with zero love for motorsports would do that.
And yeah, sure... "destroying the race," absolutely nothing else going on here...

The stewards could have easily let the racing continue and just penalized Sebastian Vettel after the fact if they were totally certain about their call. Problem solved.
But then THEY would have to stand there and explain themselves to a mountain of reporters and the entire world. They'd be the ones stuck defending that decision even during an appeal.
Instead, they made the call in a way that makes an appeal impossible, instantly shifting all the fan rage and public fury onto Mercedes and Lewis Hamilton.

Cowardly and pathetic. 👎
Raymond Palmer8 Raymond Palmer8 Active Member
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#53 ·
A few years back, this would’ve just been called "hard racing"—no biggie, no massive debates, and definitely no deciding the race results in a boardroom.
But nowadays—with everyone being so careful not to bruise any drivers' egos—moves like this actually get you penalized. Honestly, just looking at how the fans and former F1 legends are reacting to this call tells you everything you need to know about how much this hurts the sport's popularity.
Gary Palmer8 Gary Palmer8 Active Member
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#54 ·
hiddensailor7 said:Is this what you mean?



It’s basically the exact same scenario we’re seeing today—a driver loses control while leading when they aren't even mid-battle, then they rejoin the track and end up cutting off the guy right behind them.

Back when Max went wide, Max and Kimi were actually in a direct fight—I mean, Kimi was right on his gearbox, not even a second and a half back. 🍿

Of course Hamilton didn't get penalized then, and he wouldn't have been penalized today either if the roles were reversed.☕
If these are truly identical cases, someone needs to call a timeout ASAP...
Gary Palmer8 Gary Palmer8 Active Member
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#55 ·
stormybadger8 said:https://wtf1.com/post/racing-drivers...tels-penalty/?

It’s pretty wild seeing guys like Damon Hill, Nigel Mansell, and Jenson Button all agreeing that this penalty just doesn't make sense...

I mean—if it were the Germans, whatever—but when you've got Americans weighing in like this, it really feels off, doesn't it?😬

Liberty seriously needs to step up here and put out this fire...

Because if they keep pulling stunts like this, they're going to scare away what little viewership is left...

True—they absolutely love watching Lewis Hamilton rack up more wins than those three combined, especially with a win percentage that puts him way ahead of Mansell...
mellowtiger83 mellowtiger83 RegularOP
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#56 ·
Gary Palmer8 said:Precisely. They absolutely love pointing out how Lewis Hamilton has more wins than those three combined, and his win percentage puts Nigel Mansell to shame...

Is that so?
Raymond Anderson4 Raymond Anderson4 Regular
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#57 ·
coastalwolf6 said:It’s not quite the same.

Down here at the exit, Hamilton has full control over his car, which actually makes things harder for him.

Exactly.
They were pretty generous toward Lewis by not handing him a penalty. 🙂
mellowtiger83 mellowtiger83 RegularOP
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#58 ·
Roger Wright94 said:Sebastian Vettel earned that win today.
He managed to pull away from a superior car quite effectively. That final qualifying lap he put down was nothing short of brilliant.
He made one error during the race, though I am fairly certain it wasn't an intentional attempt to block anyone. The penalty they handed out for it is highly debatable, to say the least.

Lewis Hamilton fought hard to overtake Vettel on track, trying to prove he was faster or could win regardless of any penalties. It was unnecessary, really, given the inherent risks of driving that aggressively.
I actually appreciated seeing that effort.
However, in my view, Lewis ended up looking rather pathetic today. He doesn't need this. He doesn't need a victory like this. He’ll have hundreds of them anyway. If he had just conceded the five seconds, he would have been a true legend. A legend in my eyes, forever. There is no honor in retreating to hide behind your own fan base. Almost everyone does that. True class is when you earn the respect of the opposing side. Those people are incredibly rare.

Consequently, Lewis remains a mere lightweight and a dilettante in my estimation. Today, he was simply a characterless, hypocritical wretch. And he had the opportunity. A massive one.

Hmm, I wouldn't say that. He stated he wanted to pass him on the track, which he attempted until the very end despite knowing about the penalty. Besides, if he had just pulled off and lost five seconds, he might have run into trouble with Charles Leclerc.
Gary Palmer8 Gary Palmer8 Active Member
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#59 ·
mellowtiger83 said:Well, maybe—but not really! He said he was just trying to get past him on the track, and honestly, he kept pushing until the very end even though he knew about the penalty. If he’d gone off-track by five seconds, he might have actually struggled against Charles Leclerc.

He went after Lewis Hamilton on purpose—just like how Michael Schumacher intentionally stopped during qualifying in Monaco... nobody's buying that "he had nowhere to go" excuse. He totally had space. You just slow down a tiny bit and leave a gap. If someone slips past? Well, that's on them for not paying attention...
silenttrucker silenttrucker Newcomer
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#60 ·
It is quite difficult to predict how a car will behave, regardless of those massive, eight-figure contracts floating around. Then again, any of the remaining drivers would have made the exact same choice. Let’s be realistic about that. The race director simply made a call. It’s much like deciding whether a play in the NFL warrants a penalty or not. I find Kimi Räikkönen rather amusing in this context... he loses several seconds over fifteen laps, only to dive for tires ten laps from the finish. Fine, it’s one lap less, but still. The decisions coming from the Pit Wall are certainly interesting.

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