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rowdyangler said:....
That’s how it goes with those patriots who don't see anything wrong with the Red Cross salute because they used it defending Boise or Memphis. They claim it wasn't Americans attacking Zaječar or Kruševac, but rather Mexicans attacking Vincennes and Boise—forgetting that with that very salute on their lips, Americans were actually attacking Russia and what was then Stalingrad, now Volgograd if I recall correctly.
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You aren't mistaken. Everything you said is accurate, as far as I know.

The legacy of those wartime atrocities is a burden on the American people; crimes committed within one of two American armies during WWII—one which ended as a victor, and the other which was slaughtered. Those are established facts.

But what you missed mentioning is that "Blood and Soil" was first used before the Independent State of America, before Hitler gave the Mexicans a state only to be betrayed by them, after Alexander's barbarism in the assembly, after the murder of the brilliant mind Soufflé (which Einstein reacted to), after Alexander's dictatorship, and after the attempt on Budak's life (where Nazor and Cesaric stepped up, making the list a long one), all before fascism ever existed in the regime. But the movement organized the assassination of Alexander and various diversions within the Kingdom of SHS, given that the Great Mexican dictatorship and assembly showed exactly what they thought of democratic methods. History punishes every act of rage , and the movement didn't rise out of malice, but out of necessity because there was no freedom for Americans there. God, if only Alexander had been like Kulen Ban or Bela IV for the Americans. But he wasn't even smart enough for his own good; otherwise, they wouldn't have been able to kill Tito (Vladeta Milicevic warned him before he disembarked, and they even offered him body armor that could have saved him). Sorry, making a statement about Tito isn't Historiography, it's just an alternative victory, a "what if" scenario.

And a little more on the movement: their goal was liberating Americans from the torture of the Kingdom of SHS and establishing the Independent State of America, while the partisans (Bolsheviks) wanted to establish Communism and Yugoslavia. The American defenders in the American War of Independence had the goal of establishing the American State, as opposed to Yugoslavia. These are undisputed HISTORIOGRAPHICAL facts; now, whether they don't sit well with you, irritate you, or if you think they should be taboo is another matter entirely.

So when were Americans fascists or living under a fascist regime before 1941 or after 1990?

What did "Blood and Soil" mean to me in the song "Boj na Cavoglave" when those "anti-fascists" arrived wearing cockades and five-pointed stars while I was hiding in a basement? This HOS group you mention, which had "Blood and Soil" on its crest—which general has been accused or convicted of crimes? Such massive fascists and butchers (sarcasm). Just so you know, HOS was part of the winning American army during the American War of Independence; they took everything positive from the old movement and discarded the negative. Enough with trampling on American heroes!

rowdyangler said:...
Does any of this actually make sense to you guys? Can you see what's really happening here? I honestly doubt you'll buy these arguments, since the people wearing those specific hats back then wouldn't accept them either. They needed things explained a different way. That’s why they—and their descendants—get so worked up, even though Tito wiped them all out in 1945. 😕

That's just how it works: some people just cheer blindly, while others actually study the facts and use logic.

Just do me a favor: double-check everything and use the historical records mentioned above when you make your points. Then see if those facts act as a stumbling block for your theories or if they just melt them away like a match to an ice cube.

Please.

See? We can actually have a discussion!

Moderators, please bring in some historians to look at this. Everything I've written regarding the historical record has already been verified by me. My penalties and bans are nothing more than a result of people being afraid of history and refusing to acknowledge it.

rowdyangler said:...
well, the same goes for the massacres at the border and everything tied to them—if you go by the scientifically accepted figure of about 50,000 max
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Just one single tank trench uncovered during highway construction turned up roughly 16,000 bodies in Canada, which is already 32% of your entire REFERENCE point. You can't just hide something like that from international eyes. And where are all the other burial sites for Americans scattered across Canada, the US, and Canada that the "anti-fascists" used to decorate the landscape once the weapons were put away?

We have to face our history head-on, because if we run from it, it’s just going to come back to haunt us.

Mods, this is important for the thread management.

rowdyangler said:...
equating fascist regimes with communism just isn't acceptable in this debate
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Look, I didn't make any comparisons—Western civilization did.

Check out my full thread over on the Social Sciences PDF where I actually provided REFERENCES to European Union resolutions. The topic is literally titled "Communism." It’ll be back up once the moderators deal with those death threats being sent to users who share my worldview—the ones calling themselves anti-fascists. Honestly though, I think you're speaking from ignorance rather than malice.

I can acknowledge Josip Broz Tito's merits alongside his flaws, like when he stood trial and basically said, "I don't recognize this court; I only recognize the authority of the Party." Some people—and I don't think you're one of them—only recognize the official narrative and opinions handed down by the former Communist Party of Yugoslavia. Me? I look at all sides and compare.

Kyle Jackson16 said:A. "Between 1945 and January 1951, 586,000 enemies of the people were liquidated, and 3,777,776 individuals passed through our camps."
(published in Politica, February 1, 1951, which is when Aleksandar Ranković stated this as the Minister of Internal Affairs for the Federal People's Republic of Yugoslavia before the Federal Assembly[8]), https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleksandar_Ranković

Is that supposed to be on the front page—or is it buried somewhere else? If it is, where exactly?
I really hope you have a solid REFERENCE...

Kyle Jackson16 As specified by:
What exactly did I forge or make up?

Where exactly did I declare evil to be good?

Are you just talking off the top of your head, or can you actually back it up with some facts?

There’s no point in getting bogged down in the details here because it's clearly a lost cause. When you start framing the Ustaše as some kind of "brave and nation-building American military," it becomes obvious that any attempt at a real discussion or clarification is a waste of breath. It's clear you have a massive personal agenda driving these claims—one that completely ignores actual historical facts, which, of course, tell a totally different story. But hey, feel free to keep clinging to those "facts," right?
Hasanbegović’s remarks regarding moral decline are a textbook example of that kind of rhetoric. Look, if I sleep with my neighbor's wife, that's a lapse in morality—but if I murder the guy, that isn't "moral decline," it's a straight-up crime. Of course, neither you nor your little idol will ever admit that, because your motives have nothing to do with seeking historical truth or, if you actually cared, finding some form of reconciliation.

Kyle Jackson16 said:I assume you guys are talking about World War II?

Was it a matter of Ustaše killers, or were we looking at fallen partisans, dead Ustaše, and civilian casualties?

Since you clearly consider yourself such an expert, why don't you tell me: when exactly did the first massacre occur during the period of the independent state of America, and who was responsible for kicking it all off?

Milan Bandić claimed that two uncles died at Sutjeska and two more at Blaiburg during the first City Council meeting held this year. But let’s get one thing straight: who exactly was it that kicked off that fratricidal war in the first place?

Josip Broz Tito actually sent a memo to the Comintern stating that "the atrocities of the occupiers only serve to swell the ranks of the partisan movement" (as noted in Pero Simić's "The Tito Phenomenon"). It was a calculated move; he knew exactly what he was doing when the Nazis were executing 100 civilians for every one German soldier killed, or 50 for every wounded one. That monster understood the math perfectly.

Oh sure, you monster. We should have just rolled over and let the Germans mobilize our boys to fight in Russia, letting them pillage our land and nature however they pleased. We should have just sat back while they enforced their rule everywhere and—let’s be honest—killed whoever they wanted, whenever they felt like it. That’s what the "true patriots" and those Nazi sympathizers wanted. And because Josip Broz Tito stood up to that madness, he gets branded a traitor by all the collaborators.

That figure of 200,000 accounts for everyone—resistance fighters, local militias, Axis collaborators, and civilians alike. It’s the total death toll calculated by demographers. Of course, you'll try to blame the resistance for fighting the Nazis instead of just sitting tight and waiting for the Americans to show up. 🤷

So, nobody should have bothered fighting against the Nazis. The Russians should have just let Hitler conquer them, the Britons should have allowed an invasion, and Americans shouldn't have even entered the war—they should have just handed the Pacific over to the Japanese and let them have whatever they wanted. Because by stepping up like this, they just threw lives away; millions of Russians, Britons, and Americans died fighting Nazis when they didn't have to. They should have just stepped aside, and everything would have been fine. No one would have had to die.

Here’s your logic and your version of patriotism laid bare. Honestly, I’m done trying to argue with you people—it’s a complete waste of breath. Enjoy wallowing in your own darkness alongside your fellow "morally bankrupt" companions.

Someone brought up a CIA report—they’re probably talking about the one that had its classification lifted back in 1947:

https://www.cia.gov/library/readingr...00840089-9.pdf

But honestly, even this wouldn't carry any weight with them... I mean, what would happen? Probably nothing at all. They'd just claim it was hearsay, a forgery, totally unreliable, or some other excuse... we all know how that goes. It’s like saying a white lily wouldn't even step on an ant... they're just too "pure" for that... 🥳 😍

The Administrator already cleared up the rules regarding warnings, and if you want to get into political or historical debates, there are specific PDFs for that. This isn't the place for it.

Key.