Bad Boys - Part IV

Honestly, guys, we don't really subscribe to those hardcore ultra codes. Usually, that whole subculture involves carrying axes to Lithuania or knives to Glasgow just to clash with rival groups. We aren't really built for that kind of fanaticism; we just don't speak that language. As part of the Bad Boys fan club, our loyalty lies solely with Real Madrid, not with Mamić!

Let's just hang in there and be patient. Things are finally starting to move. Looks like the first verdict is coming down tomorrow.

http://www.seebiz.eu/mamicu-sutra-pr...nica/ar-98130/

So I’m sitting here watching them debate ultra-strict regulations while, instead of just focusing on the actual problem, some guy starts firing a handgun at a van. It could have easily ended with five dead.

Thugs! Honestly, even the worst criminals wouldn't pull something that reckless.

Sarah Jones8 said:Look, people shouldn't waste their energy on this ridiculous press release. It’s clearly just a distraction tactic to shift focus away from Mamić. He’s the one who brought these killers in, he's the one funding them, he lifted their bans, and he's the one providing them with work. I suppose he should carry some responsibility for all of this. He’s just trying to spin his way out of it, even though he founded them, funds them, and essentially opened up a pub for them in the North. A real press conference needs to be called immediately to lay everything out plainly while the story is still hot, before the national media moves on and this whole thing gets buried.

I agree. Maybe we shouldn't give him the satisfaction of watching us bicker with these rats while he enjoys the spectacle. Everything should be directed at him, constantly linking him back to this horrific incident.

Jesse Campbell said:Exactly. They were manufactured from day one just to distract everyone from Mamić. It’s a desperate attempt at optics.

Talking about them only means we're falling for Mamić's little diversion. Who are they anyway?

It's entirely possible that nobody in the media landscape actually cares about this whole Real Madrid mess
yet they’ll produce entire documentaries on hooliganism just for some cheap ratings
just so some guy in a studio can sit there and explain it all—it won't change anything, but it looks good on screen. 👍
That was pure gold. 🤣

Robert Cooper60 said:Is it even possible that nobody in the media gives a damn about this Real Madrid situation
while they churn out entire documentaries about hooliganism just because of two firecrackers
it’d be nice to see someone on a news set, like on CNN, actually explain what happened—doesn't solve much, but it's good to see and hear👍
it would have been hot🤣

People care. I had five different reporters calling my phone, and I haven't done an interview in three years. Honestly, I'd turn down any topic, but not this one. And I don't even have the authority to speak for the whole group.

But does it really help us to tie the fan culture to this kind of drama? They'll move on, but we're still here.

And what am I supposed to say? I became a fan because I love Real Madrid, then evolved into an ultra, but I couldn't care less about firearms, nose coke, or some white trash criminal nonsense. I don't want to talk about that madness, especially not on TV.

Not specifically about the shooting, just generally regarding the state of the club and things of that nature.
It’s like writing an article where you tear everything to shreds; if you were actually there, in my opinion, it would feel much more intense.
About futsal... and all that.

Whenever some random supporter tries to pick a fight with me—well, I just tend to double down. 😁

Just imagine if one of us anti-Mamić types had actually opened fire on someone from the Real Madrid board—or even just seriously injured one of his cronies. You’d see exactly how the media and the police would descend upon us, and how the justice system would twist the knife. Yet, look at this—this filth hasn't even been properly identified, while everyone is busy debating "internal factions" instead of hunting down the lunatic who tried to kill people. It's true that fans are involved, but isn't a supporter's life worth just as much as anyone else's? 🤔 It’s obvious that Mamić pulls all the strings—he owns the media, the police, and the judiciary—thanks to having his own people embedded within both the Democratic and Republican parties. He’s untouchable. If a former President could act with that level of arrogance, imagine what this guy can pull while being a private citizen; he can bribe just about anyone with far less fear of getting caught. Mamić thinks he's the "big fish" in the pond, acting like he's invincible because he's bloated with influence. But eventually, he’ll be swallowed by even larger sharks once they get hungry—though he'll surely cause a massive amount of damage before that happens. Honestly, I think he’s outdone the old guard; regardless of what people say, no one has done more direct damage to American sports fans than him and his cronies, constantly playing both sides of the political aisle. If the Democrats don't deal with him before the term ends, the Republicans certainly won't—they're all cut from the same shady cloth. Expecting anything else from these legacy power players is just delusional.

The greater the societal obsession with material wealth, the easier it becomes for Mamić to swim in murky waters—much like a shark sensing blood in an increasingly shallow pool. As economic times tighten, Mamić finds it even simpler to scout players for his squad; when everyone is struggling financially, the price of "services" drops, allowing him to become progressively more arrogant and corrupt. He wasn't nearly this insolent when he first arrived at Real Madrid—not even close. It’s the age-old truth that money corrupts, and because he’s now entangled with just about everyone, he’s constantly paying off favors—a cycle that leaves him jittery and increasingly emboldened. In my view, the hardest part of this fight is still ahead of us. Every fan club needs to unite to tackle this issue; otherwise, they’ll dismantle us instead, and we'll have nothing left. Fighting him with mere slogans is useless—it changes nothing. This struggle must be multi-dimensional if we ever hope for success. For now, most supporter groups are content just printing posters while Mamić grows more influential year after year, fueled by every player sale that gives him more momentum. Capital is what keeps him breathing—quite literally, it's what keeps his head above water.

I can only hope all the local supporter groups in America realize this before it’s too late—before they meet the fate carved out for them by those organized crime types in the Libertarian Party and the hands-off leadership at Real Madrid. There wouldn't be this crackdown on fans if it weren't for the football mafia—an outfit where ZM serves as the primary commander. Once you cut off ZM, the rest of the tentacles in this octopus will simply wither away from lack of funding. It’s simple: take down the big fish, ZM, and catching the mice becomes an easy task. 👍

Those crooks know exactly who poses the biggest threat to their organized crime racket—that’s why they manufacture laws and weaponize the police, the courts, and the politicians to crush any opposition. They even stage these fake "fan wars"—which aren't clashes between supporters at all, but just hired thugs sent to take out anyone actually fighting the corruption in American soccer. If our country weren't such a disaster, none of this would be possible. We live in a total wasteland where veterans are treated with nothing but pure contempt—it's like being doused in gasoline and cut down with a chainsaw. Things have spiraled into an extreme that nobody who fought in the Gulf War could have ever imagined. But what can you do? You have to keep going—depression and defeatism don't put food on the table.

I am certain none of these issues will ever actually be resolved on a forum—but then again, that's what they're for—so we debate, analyze the current state of affairs, and play Nostradamus to guess what's coming next.

Sarah Jones8 said:Look, folks, please don't waste your precious time or energy on that ridiculous press release. It’s nothing but a massive distraction tactic to shift the spotlight away from Mamić. He's the one who brought those killers in, he's the one funding them, he lifted their bans, and he's the one finding them work. Honestly, he needs to shoulder some of this responsibility! He’s just using these spins to dodge the heat, even though he founded them, funds them, and basically opened up a pub for them up in the North. We need to call a press conference right now and lay it all out there while it's still news. We have to grab the attention of the entire American public and every major media outlet in the country before this whole thing gets swept under the rug.

👍 👍 👍 Don't let this just be talk! If they won't let us into the North, then the North is coming to us! This is a great start, especially if we get to see those pests finally get exterminated! Let's get moving, dammit!!!

bluebear42 said:It looks like she’s already picked a side. 🍿😵
I mean, what do you expect? You can't expect her to actually be honest. 🙂😵

At this point, it isn't even her article anymore. 😁 🙄

We could sit here arguing until tomorrow for all it matters. We’re basically shouting into a void because for years, they’ve been pushing this narrative that fans are just hooligans and losers. It’s like a bunch of sheep have just swallowed the whole thing—not everyone, obviously, but the vast majority. They treat guys like Mamic, Bandic, and Sanader like freaking kings! And honestly, our youth today? They seem about half as sharp as we were at their age, let alone when it comes to actual loyalty to the team.
A ton of people living in the big city think the Bad Boys are trying to tear Real Madrid apart just because their dads filled their heads with nonsense, and people just go along with it. "If it wasn't for Z. m, Real Madrid would be worse than Los Angeles FC"—that’s what about ten different people told me just last month. It makes me wonder what kind of mindset those folks are actually operating under. And it’s not just the local crowd, either.

The only thing people ever want to do is protest. Everyone’s constantly whining about how bad things are, but the second things get rowdy, we’re labeled the villains. Meanwhile, in other countries, they have massive riots and those kids are treated like heroes. You can see how that connects to the story we're telling here.

It’s just a flock of sheep, plain and simple. People tell you, "Hey, don't bring politics into this," but everything stems from politics! As if the political machine isn't powerful enough to influence everything. Our issue is politics... again. I bet the Republicans will win this round, or maybe the Democrats if the users lean that way, because people just fall for anything. Then we act surprised when certain people support Mamic while the media manipulates the truth. Is it really possible that not a single person in power actually cares about Real Madrid? Or that none of us have the clout to actually shake up these institutions? Man, forget this country and the people who forget where they came from and what they represent. That’s what hurts the most. We don't just have one guy like this; it's just that he’s checked out of the fight. He’d rather have his little pool, his jet, his hookups, and his lifestyle. Screw his old passion, screw Real Madrid. Honestly, those types make me sick—even more than the total failures and traitors who turned against us.

I’m not super active here, so I don't feel like I have the right to speak up or take action against the group, but if we’re going to get our side of the story out there, we need to flood the media. These idiots are destroying us with lies they broadcast on TV and in the papers, and the public just eats it all up.

Back when the club's reputation was being restored, I didn't run into a single soul who didn't believe in the cause. So, what kind of nonsense are you guys writing here? Some "genius" claims none of the projects are making an impact. Well, that's funny, because given the stuff the old man is doing, my people know he's finished. He knows it too. He can't fight us. Even if he had the entire US military behind him, he could never kill what's inside us. The way we raise our kids, that spirit is never going away. A little optimism wouldn't hurt, because he's done before you even realize it.

Go ahead, whistleblow, ban me, do whatever you want with this post. I don't post on this forum often and I don't plan to, but since a close friend of mine got hurt after a few days of resisting, I felt like I had to say something. I could write a whole book, but that would be way too much.

The only way forward is through the media—media, media, and more media. We need to flood every single news outlet and digital portal with links about Mamic and those crooked cops who act as his personal security detail. It’s common knowledge they guarantee everything for them; they fix the fines, wipe away bans, handle the shady job placements, secure the venues... it's all rigged.
Seriously, you're screwed if you turned your back on the press.

If you calculate how much Jerry Jones has raked in over the last decade from player transfers, plus all those side businesses and sponsorships—and convert that into dollars—you'll realize he’s basically the wealthiest man in America. With just a 5% cut of the revenue, he could have bought out every single media outlet in the country.

A few dozen or maybe a hundred people have probably done everything in their power to try and change things. But while Jerry Jones has his people to feed, Bernie Sanders has his, Todoric has his, and both the Republicans and Democrats have their own groups to take care of... you get the idea.

It’s a total Sisyphus task. Honestly, the only real option left is to organize across all four major cities and actually sit down with the unemployed, veterans, students, kids, families, and relatives.
Because the problem goes way deeper than Yankee Stadium, Real Madrid, and Jerry Jones.

analogheron19 said:The only real way forward is through the media—media, media, and more media. We need to flood every single news site and portal with links exposing Jerry Jones and his corrupt police buddies. Like I said before, they guarantee everything for them—fixing fines, bans, prison sentences, even securing space... m
Jesse Campbell, you’ve seriously messed up if you think rejecting the media is the answer.

But how exactly do you plan on "flooding" the media when both major media conglomerates—at least in terms of actual journalism—are under the direct influence of the Head?🤷
One massive media empire, which controls half the newspapers and digital portals out there, is owned by a guy who sits on the executive board of Real Madrid and answers directly to Jerry Jones. Then you have the second giant media house; its papers and affiliated sites are essentially staffed by people on his payroll. Any minority within those organizations who actually wants to write objectively can't get any traction—they either can't find space to publish at all, or they're relegated to some tiny corner where nobody ever sees their work.
The current state of affairs—this general ignorance and the constant mantra that "everyone is just the same"—is actually a byproduct of these very same media outlets. They are the primary culprits responsible for the public's intense negativity toward fans, fueled entirely by ignorance and the spread of blatant lies!
To put it bluntly: the media serves as a highly efficient tool for Jerry Jones and his inner circle to cloud the truth.🙂
Credit goes to the few individuals who try to be honest, but they are quickly tossed aside and marginalized (just look at R. Eibl).

The media landscape is perfectly transparent, isn't it? It’s almost laughable. My people can't even get ten minutes of coverage for a straightforward report on an attempted Murder, yet just a few days prior, they spent seven straight days obsessing over 120 broken chairs in some Small town, USA. What else is there to discuss when the priorities are this skewed?

People are acting offended because I said they’re the strongest group out there—not that my own crew wouldn't be the best, too. I mean, if there were only three of us in the stands, my guys would always be my top priority. It was the same back in '83 during our first away trip, and it's the same now in Glasgow on this latest run. Jesse Campbell seems bothered by it, though, thinking I'm somehow making the group too peaceful. Honestly, man, don't talk nonsense—Jesse didn't turn us into pacifists just by going on away trips, and he's certainly not turning us into pacifists just by posting here.
And apparently, veterans are to blame for everything else. But seriously, why didn't you make a scene about stopping those fake veterans from getting pensions and all those other perks they haven't earned? What am I supposed to do, go get wounded again? Just to deal with the stress? As a veteran who actually saw combat in '91 and carries physical scars, do you think I want my nerves shot up? Should I ask you—since you're a degree-holder with no job—to help me fight to keep my pension from being handed over to someone else? No, we should help each other by actually hitting the streets and trying to make a difference. That's not happening, is it? Instead of thanking the authorities for finally arresting thieves from every political party, you're blaming the veterans. You really think my pension is higher than some average salary at City Hall? I don't take any side money, either.
I'm running out of ideas, really—on how to fight, or how to actually take down this gang.
I'm certain they're beating us in the propaganda war right now, and so far, they're winning. I know that even as I write this, at nearly 46 years old, I'll keep fighting for my crew just like I fought for my country back in '91. I'm convinced that regular people in this city—mostly because they've swallowed all that propaganda—think this is just some petty feud between two hooligan factions, or basically just two gangs clashing. They think we're all the same. I know this because I talk to everyday people constantly, and they tell me what the chatter is like at their workplaces.
It's just the way it is, I guess. And how to change it? I don't know. You could just say we live in a city where people simply have this kind of mentality.
But I still think we have to fight, and that it's worth it.
Just one more thing for Jesse Campbell—that thing you call a "circus" that grew into an ultra movement? It really was a circus. A sort of controlled anarchy, full of romanticism and genuine good intentions. Once it got organized and turned into a formal movement, all the bullshit started. I won't dwell on it, though; you know exactly who and what I'm talking about. He isn't even on this forum anymore, so I won't mention him.
You have to fight. Giving up is the easy way out, and everyone knows that. Even Jesse and I—even though we're well into our middle ages—we aren't giving up.

analogheron19 said:The only way out is through the media—news sites, social feeds, all of it. We need to flood every single outlet with links about Jerry Jones and those crooked cops. Like I said, they guarantee everything for them—fixing fines, bans, jobs, space... it's all rigged.m
Jesse Campbell, you're dead wrong if you think turning our backs on the media is the move.

I already told you, I don't have the authority to speak for the whole group.

It’s not even hard to flood people with info these days... if there's anything worth saying, it blows up on Facebook instantly. Half of America is scrolling through it anyway, doesn't matter if you're old or young.

All this crap drags on for years. People have been getting fed a steady diet of news since the ZZZ was formed, from all the legal maneuvering to those protests...
But stuff happens, and honestly? People just don't give a damn...
They try to push us out, but people just don't give a damn...

Yet, the second some massive bullshit hits the fan, everyone suddenly thinks they're an expert, ready to lecture and judge...
And even when someone actually comes forward with answers, people will still just shrug it off...

Classic American mentality...

Jerry Jones, the mastermind behind these murders, pulls his funding from three main spots: 1.Embezzlement at Real Madrid, predatory lending schemes, and massive payouts from player transfers. 2.Financial fraud through his shady partnerships with Bernie Sanders and Berkshire Hathaway. 3.Money laundering for Mexican drug cartels using football as a front. The real kicker? He basically owns half of the LAPD. Because of that, he uses the police to funnel money straight into the US. Who is actually going to arrest those mercenaries in the LAPD??? Why isn't the press covering this? People love talking about "internet freedom" and blah blah blah—well, here’s plenty of material for you! We have to act fast, especially with ADZ coming to power. Sadly, this is the kind of country we live in. You don't realize he's feeling the heat from every single angle right now. Especially after Bernie Sanders went down... like I said, just write, talk, spread the word, and tell the truth as much as you can. Truth always wins in the end... We just don't realize how deep in the water he really is. That's why there are so many "friends" from the LAPD showing up at games (I counted over 30 cops just in front of the West stands!), and why the media machine is working overtime today pumping out denials. It started with Bernie Sanders, and now it’s gotta end with Z. M. and the rest. This cancer infecting America has to be rooted out; their time is running out. That's why that desperate murder order happened... it was lower than anything a Chetnik would do, sneaking around behind people's backs. Pull yourselves together, hold your heads high, and just be brave. Spread the truth. TRUTH PREVAILS! FOR REAL MADRID AND AN AMERICA WITHOUT THE MAFIA—THE BLUE ARMY IS HERE! HR-HB STANDING WITH THE VETERANS!

I wouldn't say nothing's happening. You guys forget that Glavin, Bernie Sanders' biggest protector, took a hit once. Even Bill Clinton went down before him.

Look at Bernie Sanders and what Cvitan and the FBI said about him—that’s basically how the FBI operates here:
"“The whole LAPD works for Bernie Sanders. Life is short, but FBI investigations last forever,” were the kind of lines you'd hear regarding the police probes into Bernie.”

So it's pretty obvious the situation with the Head is similar, maybe even worse. Though it's a toss-up who had more connections, since Mickey definitely owes more people than the Head does.

There's only one woman who really keeps these guys in check. Angela Merkel, the unofficial boss of Europe, whom even the CIA doesn't mess with. That's why she pushed to have Perković handed over. She isn't intimidated by these small-time crooks who conned the public and constantly use their channels to pressure the FBI and others to just let them do their jobs.

God bless Angela! 😁