Bad Boys - Part IV

Look, with all due respect, the management has been blocking us from traveling to certain cities for three years straight now. Use some common sense before you go booking flights for match days. I realize not everyone can take several days off to travel for an away game, but look at places like Philadelphia, New York, or Boston—they're all just a couple of hours away from Eindhoven. To anyone actually making the trip, good luck.

Sam Sullivan58, you make an excellent point... I neglected to mention that in my previous thought. It seems to me that the more deeply you cultivate relationships with the regulars in the stands, the more likely they are to hold their ground when the crackdown begins. It’s a bit like how certain communities start to fray at the edges long before the actual heavy-handed enforcement starts, even if the pressure has been building steadily from the very beginning.

Jonathan Barnes5 said:Sam Sullivan58—you're spot on... forgot to mention that part. The more you stick with the same crowd coming to the stands, the more people actually stay put when the crackdown starts hitting. It’s no secret how our ranks started thinning out way before this latest wave of repression, even though they've been at it since day one.

The group is 90% garbage and 95% pure repression. You can't separate them; it's all thanks to the same guy.

This is the ultimate litmus test for the fans!

I feel like I’ve been called on quite a few times to explain why there’s such a massive "supporter mentality" takeover happening in the city lately—mostly because my job puts me right in the middle of it, chatting with kids and seeing things firsthand. Honestly? Today's kids follow soccer, sure, but they couldn't care less about the MLS; they’re too busy acting like die-hard Real Madrid or Barcelona fans. They don't have that deep, emotional connection to Dinamo like we used to. Even their parents—the ones who grew up going to games—think the whole scene around American soccer is just a joke, so they just stop taking them to matches out of pure inertia. Then you've got the BBB crowd being labeled as nothing but hooligans causing trouble, mostly because that's all people read on news sites or see on TV. That’s basically the consensus right now from both the club and the BBB, and man, it's tough to shift that mindset. But look, once the big boss finally exits the picture, there's going to be plenty of room and enough ideas to flip the script. I'm not being a pessimist here, believe me.

BBB fans like us still make up about 70-80% of the total crowd at Dinamo home games. Honestly, probably more than any other fan group anywhere else in the world.

Which, let's be real, just highlights how absolutely gutted this Dinamo organization has become.

In the last twenty years, aside from a few brief flashes of hope, there hasn't been a decent soccer club in the city. So, it’s really not that shocking that they can't even pull ten thousand die-hard soccer fans through the gates.
And there isn't a single reason why those numbers wouldn't skyrocket once Dinamo actually starts acting like a real soccer club again...

Who’s going to host me for three nights?

We’ve got games scheduled for Sunday and Wednesday over at Yankee Stadium.

Here’s just one example of what we could actually pull off now that the big boss is gone. We could organize meetups between fans and players across different neighborhoods and cities—but nope, we can't do that because the big guy won't allow it. We could set up stalls with all our gear and promote BBB right in front of high schools. Or bring in some North Side legends to talk to the kids about what being a true fan is actually about—though with the current crackdown, even that's basically impossible. We could also start winning over the media through charity work, showing the world that we aren't terrorists, just regular people with families and lives. Stuff like that.

It’s now or never!

bluejackal43 said:Maybe instead of just holding protests, we could all head down to a place like Savannah together a day early,
like on the 16th, for instance—everyone dressed in black, of course. I was thinking maybe the Black and Gold Army could carry that massive HOS flag, and we could just make ourselves available to the leadership group...
just imagine it...
As evening rolls in, you'd see a group of young people lined up neatly in formation, five by five, you know? They’d be singing those old anthems and waving that big HOS flag...
If someone with a bit of sense from the leadership group saw that, maybe they could figure out how to actually make an impact...
Personally, I feel like that would resonate much more deeply than some random protest that’s basically just calling for a general mobilization for no real reason at all.

🙄

The first post is always the hardest one to write...

The fact that kids aren't interested in Dinamo right now actually says something good about them. It means they get it—why would they care about a club run by people like this? They remember what Dinamo used to represent; they know what’s worth fighting for because they lived it. These new kids don't have that history. If things stay this way for too many generations who never experienced the glory days, getting them into the fan scene is going to be impossible. That's how you build a movement, or how you kill one.
I honestly don't know if you guys even realize how close we are to the edge right now.
To me, this looks like the beginning of the end for those old powerhouse clubs that ended up in the third division—all they have left is a name and some old history, just in terms of the fanbase.

Brandon Hill5 said:The fact that kids these days couldn't care less about Dinamo right now actually says a lot more about them than it does about the club. It’s a reflection of their own priorities.Look, it’s obvious why the kids aren't biting. You can't blame them for staying away from a club like Dinamo when this is the crowd running the show. They know exactly what they’re missing. These kids grew up hearing about how things used to be, or they've seen glimpses of that old grit, so they actually have a standard to hold us to. They know what real passion looks like because they've felt it. But these new faces? They don't have that history. They haven't lived through the glory days. And honestly, if this mess keeps going on for more than a couple of generations—long enough for the memory of what we once were to completely fade away—it’s going to get harder and harder to pull them into the fold. That’s just how it works. This is exactly how a fan culture either builds itself into something legendary or slowly rots until there's nothing left.
I honestly don't know if you guys even realize the kind of danger you're standing in right now.
To me looks like the beginning of the end for those former giants that ended up rotting in the minor leagues. You look at them now and all they have left is a name and some dusty history books to remind them of what they used to be—but in terms of the fan base, the soul is just gone.

Look, let me get one thing straight: this isn't about anyone being indifferent toward Dinamo. It’s about the Bad Boys. Period.☕

Brandon Hill5 said:The fact that kids today aren't really feeling the connection to Real Madrid right now—well, I guess that actually speaks well of them. It means they can sense something is off, and honestly, why would they be drawn to a club acting like this? They’re looking at what Real Madrid used to represent, and they know exactly what they’re fighting for because they’ve seen it before. These newer fans haven't had that experience yet, and if things stay this way for too many generations who don't have that direct memory, it’s going to get harder and harder to bring them into the fold. At the end of the day, that's how a fan culture either builds itself up or completely falls apart. I'm not sure if people even realize how precarious the situation is right now.
To me, this looks like the early stages of those once-great powerhouse clubs that eventually wound up in the minor leagues—where all you have left is the name and the history, at least when it comes to the supporters.

That happened to Sisyphus, so I think what you're saying makes a lot of sense.

But I don't think that can happen to Real Madrid.

If they managed to make it through the nineties, this is nothing...

The esteemed Valsimot just dropped some absolute nonsense by suggesting we basically built the Bad Boys ourselves. That’s backwards. It isn't that we created them; it's that they exist because we've been weakened.
And everyone just nods along like he's right. Someone said it better back on January 15, 2010—the streets were packed from north to east. The cops roll in, the riot squads push through, and you see the chaos unfolding on every corner. If our numbers were actually up, the police would be forced to work a hell of a lot harder. And they have. You think there are hundreds of people at local games just because they have nothing better to do? No. Fans don't stand a chance when the state, the laws, and the entire system decide to move against them. It doesn't matter if you call yourselves Delije or Gravediggers or "good people." If the government decides to shut you down, they will. So why do you even care?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GILXx_JVtdg
Check out the footage starting from the 2:00 mark...

I guess there isn't much else to say about valsimot53, really. kaže:
It’s not even about being uninterested in Real Madrid, I guess... it's more about the Bad Boys.☕

I mean, if that were actually true, I guess Yankee Stadium would be just as packed with Bad Boys as it is right now, wouldn't it?

I sent an incredibly sarcastic email to the Secretary—just a little way to show everyone exactly who we're dealing with here.

Dear Secretary Johnson,

I wanted to extend my most heartfelt congratulations to you for successfully draining the swamp in American soccer, just as you promised at the very start of your term.

Truly phenomenal work; please, by all means, keep up this incredible momentum.

The Secretary's response: Dear Mr. ...,

Thank you for your support.

Sincerely,

Jerry

analogheron19 said:It isn’t about a lack of interest in Real Madrid; it's about the Bad Boys.☕

I can't say I'm surprised you feel that way. It sounds like your perspective on fandom hasn't really evolved since the nineties. But hey, that's your call.
I honestly don't see how anyone expects a new generation to step up with this current mindset. What exactly are they supposed to join? A fight that lacks any coherent plan or purpose? You’re never going to achieve anything meaningful in this country by fighting like this. And all this talk about players hanging out with fans and building community—look, you can do that easily without all the unnecessary drama and nonsense. It’s all about having the right strategy and the right approach. But looking at the state of the stands right now, I just don't see it. The whole situation has become incredibly narrow-minded, focused on nothing but a single, flat perspective.
People used to say the Bad Boys looked like a disciplined army, but it’s strange how that supposed discipline lacks any actual tactical sense. If things keep going this way, you’re going to watch your numbers dwindle from a hundred down to fifty, then thirty, and just like that—it's over. Goodbye. But in all this chaos, you've lost the most vital thing: Real Madrid. And don't let anyone try to argue that "Real Madrid doesn't exist anymore because Madoff is in charge" or some other nonsense. If you truly cared about the club from the very beginning, you would have taken a different path—one that actually leads somewhere, rather than this dead end. Also, all this talk about blaming the Greeks, Bulgarians, or Germans is just empty noise.

Hey there!

What century are you living in?

With a decent enough marketing and PR push, you could convince people to go bowling blindfolded in ten days. You think we won't pack Yankee Stadium once Real Madrid is actually healthy? 🙄🙄🙄

Like someone said, kids follow Real Madrid and FC Barcelona because nobody ever gave them a reason to care about us. To them, Real Madrid just looks like a bunch of angry Zebras and paid articles making the Bad Boys look like Al Qaeda.

Once that shifts—once after 20-plus years Real Madrid actually acts like Real Madrid again—we’ll be the biggest team in the country with the most fans. Everything else is just noise.

steelstag50 said:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GILXx_JVtdg
From 2:00 onwards..

I still remember those days when we’d just stand there, lost in time for days on end.
Back then, being together in that twilight zone felt like pure comfort.
That sound still haunts me... it was the sound of hope, of strength, and of pure American pride!
Let the chaos erupt everywhere else—just let my city stay FREE!!

There were thousands of voices out there... the rhythm was heavy, the sound powerful and piercing.
I remember a totally different Chicago, hearing the sounds of the North Side echoing through the Street!
But now the scene has changed; it's just a shadow of what used to be.
And that one thought keeps coming back to me: New York Yankees Chicago is just falling apart!!

Ref: Tell me, where were you when the whole city burned for them while they were screaming: STREET, CHICAGO,NEW YORK YANKEES with an old flame burning forever in our hearts, for this city and this club we would give our very lives!!! 🙂🙂