Bad Boys - Part IV

mistyorca4 said:Where do you even live? Mamić already cleared them off the blacklist, so do you honestly think they give a damn that we're being put through this torture? Seriously, some people here are just clueless.

You won't believe it, but there really are people like that. In fact, most of them. They just want everyone left alone so they can get this over with as fast as possible. Then it's anyone for themselves...

Jesse Campbell said:Look, Dragec, this group has fought through the old communist regime, then the era of Tuđman, and now they're taking on Mamić’s bullshit—and they’re winning. So stop stressing about it. I was there for all three fights; you weren't, so maybe just take my word for it once in a while.

Mamić bailed on August 10, 2010, the moment the group started mounting a unified, organized resistance against him. He knows exactly why he left, and it would be smart if you and your buddies finally realized that too.

Man, just pay the guy his money and move on with your life. But no, heaven forbid any "Jewish blood" money leaves your wallet. You're living proof that someone can look at the pitch-black night and insist it's high noon. If the deal was two years, then collect your cash and don't pay up. Don't be a coward.

Look, I didn't say anyone was crying—I’m just asking at what point you can't even look at yourself in the mirror without feeling sick to your stomach. Don't you dare lecture someone twice your age; I've been in this fight since day one and I haven't backed down once, even now that I'm hitting my fifties.

I’m feeling a little lost regarding this whole idea of bringing the old guard back to the stands, so if anyone could clear things up for me, I’d appreciate it. If we’re going to assume that the initial split was just one big mistake... well, honestly, what makes you think you can actually win over today's younger crowd? Things have drifted way too far apart. In my opinion, the only way to truly look out for the group's best interests is for about 30 of us to just step back from active supporter life entirely. Let the kids have the stands and let things play out how they may. Anything else feels dishonest; it just shows that both sides are more concerned with their own egos than the actual unity of the group.

☕ interesting... my gripe is that I grew up in a pretty well-off family and eventually carved out a comfortable life for myself too. I’ve been traveling to games on my own dime since back in '84, and honestly, because of how things were financially, there was never any reason or opportunity for someone to pick up the tab for travel or whatever. Now I'm sitting here wondering if I actually missed out on something or if I should be feeling some regret about it.🤷

George Alvarez13 said:I'm honestly a little confused about this whole idea of bringing back the old guard to the stands, so maybe someone can clear things up for me. If we're trying to claim the initial split was just one big mistake... well, let's be real—what makes you think you can actually win over today's kids? Things have gone way too far. Honestly, if the group actually wants what's best for itself, the only logical move is for 30 people to just step away from the active scene entirely. Let the younger generation take over the stands and let things play out how they may. Anything else is just delusional; it shows that both sides care more about their own egos than the actual group.

Applause Applause: You're four years late to the party. I made my speech back when the boycott was actually being decided.

Anyway, heading to bed now—got the night shift. If anyone needs anything, hit me up via PM. The admin will be a saint once he's back; he’s going to have to deal with cleaning all this mess up again. 😁

swiftfalcon802 said:Man, just pay the guy his money and move on. But no, you can't let Jewish blood touch your wallet, right? You're living proof that you'd argue it's noon in the middle of the night. If the deal was for two years, take the cash and don't pay up. Don't be a coward.

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Yeah, I'm always the bad guy. It's a classic. 😂

Drake, look, you and a few others just don't get it—and I know there are people out there who haven't sold their souls for a paycheck or some perks. Once the group makes a call, and the group decided it's time to go to war with Madoff, you’re left with two choices:

a) ask the group how you can best step up and help in the fight

b) walk away from the fandom entirely if you can't handle the heat

Anything else is just pathetic.

That's your entire philosophy right there, Jesse Campbell. Your group operates on this "all or nothing" mentality, yet you still don't seem to get it. 🤷

Robert Cooper60 said:This whole philosophy of yours is just pure chaos. Your group operates on this rigid "all or nothing" mentality, yet you still don't seem to grasp the reality of it... 🤷

He’s never going to understand as long as he keeps asking questions like that...

Victory... Jesse Campbell said:First off, I’m just speaking for myself here. Not on behalf of anyone else...
Besides, I'm probably the last person anyone needs, especially not in a city like New York or with a club like Dynamo. As an individual, I don't really matter. The BBB Fan Club and Dynamo were here long before me, and they’ll be here long after...
Whatever you decide to settle with them is your business. If you have an issue with me, just send me a DM instead of making a scene here. You’re just using the internet to throw around threats, just like everyone else does these days. If there's a problem between us, reach out privately... we can work it out...

Regarding the kitchen... back when the Middle East situation was a total joke, I stood up to Madoff myself, and I’m certainly not defending him now. It seems like everyone turned into an idealist overnight—suddenly they're all honest fighters, whereas yesterday, anyone would have done just about anything to get ahead...
The saddest part is that people throwing around slurs like "thugs" or "outsiders"... they're the ones who’ll end up with broken heads on both sides. Meanwhile, you brave internet trolls won't feel a thing because you're probably just sitting there in some third-rate suburb...

You aren't even that much to blame... It’s on them for dragging you down with them. You were just too loyal to certain people, but then again, who can really blame you for that? I think the tattoos look great, too. Now we don't have anyone to stand in the front rows as our mascot... 😁

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to be a contrarian... I just find it disgusting how people have sided with him, whether they're actively supporting him or just standing by silently. There are no true winners here, but mark my words, someone will come out on top eventually—and it won't be those of you who let that piece of trash disrespect our club and our group like this. That’s all I have to say to you and anyone else like you on this topic. If being an internet troll or a hooligan is what that makes me, then fine... I'll take it. My only goal is a unified group and a healthy club, but you can't have unity when people are blowing Madoff's horn and putting his interests above the group and the team they supposedly cheer for. That's exactly why there's no unity, and honestly, I'm glad some of you finally showed your true colors by picking his side...

Austin Collins6 said:I can see you’re clearly light-years away from reality if you’re even considering defending N. after everything that’s gone down over the last few days.

Look, there isn't a single way to whitewash what he did; his actions are indefensible. But dragging religion into this? That’s low-life behavior, and honestly, it’s exactly what I’ve come to expect from the bottom-feeders currently backing him—the same people who were busy attacking Muslims and Turks just yesterday. We aren't such pathetic losers that we need to stoop to that level. It’s not the fault of anyone's faith, nor is Islam to blame because some traitorous, small-minded individual decided to act out. Besides, we have other Muslims right here in this group who are fantastic people and always step up when they're needed.
It would be better for everyone if we stopped bringing up those guys from the North and started looking at our own backyard instead. We need to put an end to these shameful insults. Maybe you idiots can't wrap your heads around it, but you're doing massive damage to everyone here, and especially to the people who originally brought the Bad Boys together.

Raymond Gonzalez7 said:What he did can't be washed away. Period. But attacking someone's faith? That’s bottom-of-the-barrel behavior, something only lowlifes do—including the people standing by him now, even though they were busy targeting Muslims just yesterday. We aren't pathetic enough to sink to that level. It isn't the fault of religion or Islam that some individual turned out to be a traitor with no integrity. Besides, we have other Muslims in this group who are solid people and always step up when it matters.
It would be better for everyone if people from the North stopped being mentioned here. Focus on our own backyard and stop these disgraceful insults. Maybe you idiots can't grasp it, but you're doing massive damage to the entire group, and especially to those who unified the Bad Boys.

Stop the "disgraceful insults"??? No. Their names should be shouted from the rooftops so everyone knows who sold out, who’s making threats, and who’s out there beating people up and causing chaos in the streets.
And they don't even realize they're just Madoff's sacrificial lambs.

Someone pisses all over your face, and you want to talk about looking at your own backyard? My backyard is spotless.

This insecure guy who can't even figure out where he fits in is constantly desperate for attention. Just ban him already; at least then he'll know where to go when he wants to actually say something instead of just acting like a clown for the internet trolls.

That whole "this guy's a Muslim, this one's a Mexican, this one's a Jew, this one's a communist" nonsense first popped up when Madoff used his goons to screw over the BBB Fan Club. That was way back in '94.

Then, out of nowhere, a bunch of people who hadn't been seen for years showed up to a meeting and used that exact same rhetoric to tear us Little Ones apart. It’s a dirty tactic, and it isn't even about the rivalry. It's just cheap.

Look, if you claim to be a true patriot cheering for Dynamo—which has always been an American institution—then prove it. Show it by actually doing stuff for the group and the club, traveling to games, or getting involved in actions. Don't just sit there liking posts and pointing fingers at someone else's background. If some Mexican, Jew, or Muslim is more active in defending that institution than you are, then maybe you should ask yourself what kind of patriot you really are.

Doubt there's any point in calling N. a Muslim. Like that's the issue, rather than how he actually acts.

There is a spectrum of people in our group, from the old guard to the kids, stretching from Indianapolis to Brooklyn. They work, they show up, they endure the police crackdowns, and they find contentment in sharing a simple sandwich with two or three friends while on the road—doing this together for years. These are the people who remain now, when things are at their worst, and they aren't out here bragging about themselves like they never have before. Then, there are the others. Those who always thought they were "somebody," the ones who would plunge a knife into a friend's back for a handful of cash. No one is saying these individuals weren't tough once, or that they weren't the backbone of the group at one point. But let’s be clear: at the end of everything, they are not the people you want standing by your side.
All they have left now is the ability to remind everyone how "tough" they still are, acting like they are still a force to be reckoned with. I see all this nonsense flooding the forums and news sites lately... These idiots fail to realize that the true reward for years of loyalty is friendship and devotion, not money or an inflated ego. You had it all, and now you can enjoy the mess you've made. Good luck.

Drake, the key is already in the ignition for the remote...

Jesse Campbell said:Drake, here’s what you and a few others seem to miss—those of us who haven't sold out for cash or perks—is that once the group makes a call, and the group decides it's time to go to war with Madoff, you really only have two choices:

a) figure out how you can best support the cause

b) walk away from the fandom entirely if you don't buy into the fight.

Anything else is just pathetic.

I'll give you that, but I’d throw in option c): If you think the group is heading down the wrong path, just leave. Go your own way and let the collective do whatever they think is right.
That’s exactly what I did. But instead of being respected for it, the group turned on me and ended up backing the very people who caused me to walk away in the first place.

amberlynx47 said:Honestly, you aren't even the one at fault here. It’s on them for dragging you down with them. You were just too loyal to certain people, but then again, who can blame you for being yourself? I think the tattoos look great, though. Now we won't have anyone acting as our mascot in the front row. 😁.

Nick didn't drag me anywhere. After sitting down for a few talks with the "leaders" back then, the decision was entirely mine and made on my own terms.
It really is a damn shame about the mascot thing 😍

Patrick Sullivan84 said:This insecure guy who can't even figure out where he fits in is constantly starving for attention. Just ban him already. At least he knows where to go when he actually wants to say something meaningful instead of just playing the clown online.

I didn't go after anyone. I only spoke up because of a bet I made with the gentleman, and then things just spiraled. Honestly, I don't have anything left to say to anyone, and frankly, I don't care to anymore.