Bad Boys - Part IV

Jeremy Thomas4 said:What are you even talking about? Any decent Bad Boys fan back then knew how it worked. It wasn't "buying players" or shady agents—it was just club cooperation and marketing. Look, I get you want what's best, but think about how heavy-handed crackdowns leave scars and how those restrictions just keep escalating. Personally, I’d rather see us push back against the establishment than face bans and shutdowns all because of some basketball nonsense.

Fine. Just don't see what this has to do with me or why you're dumping it on my doorstep.

I was the first one fighting against the crackdown, and I'm one of the few who went hardest. And let's be real, not everyone saw it coming. Before this whole fight started, people used to look at me sideways and call me paranoid whenever I claimed Mamić was pulling the strings behind the repression. ☕

Jesse Campbell said:Alright. I just don't see what any of this has to do with me, and frankly, I'm not sure why you're even telling me.

I was one of the first to stand against this repression, and I’ve fought harder than most. Let's be clear: not everyone saw it coming. Before this whole fight even kicked off, whenever I claimed that Mamić was pulling the strings behind the scenes, people just looked at me like I was losing my mind. They dismissed my warnings as pure paranoia. ☕

Who am I supposed to talk to, Kimi? I’m talking to the guy who claims he was the first one to spot the issue in the first place. So, maybe you actually see the problem more clearly than the rest of us now.

That’s it. After everything that went down yesterday, I’ve personally lost faith in the entire concept, right down to the last man standing. That’s about as much as I can say.

Jeremy Thomas4 said:Look, even if we don't know exactly who's pulling the strings here, this isn't just one person's opinion. We'll see how things shake out once the new roster drops for the next game, and then there will be another hundred people on the blacklist just because of those "Mamić is a crook" chants. You’re acting like Napoleon, Thomas—leading everyone further and further down a dead end while the blacklist keeps growing. I'm not saying you're doing this on purpose, but dragging every last person down might be a worse strategy than us just stepping back for a while. People are getting banned regardless of whether you notice it or not.

Friends, listen. In the last year alone, we've organized three meetings with the lawyer at our headquarters. The most recent one was less than two weeks ago. People, actually show up to the meetings. If you want information, go to the usual spots and get it in person instead of talking like this online. NOBODY should be facing a ban for defending their right to be there, especially not over chanting against Mamić; you just need to put in a little effort. Don't wait for someone else to do all the heavy lifting for you. Look at what happened to the guys in the Unešić case—they were hit with unlimited restraining orders specifically because of those "Mamić is a crook" outbursts☕
. You're all being far too passive and complaining way too much (and I don't mean you personally).

David Gonzalez said:Everyone’s on the same page about the crackdown and the soccer mafia, but we don't have to agree on how to actually take them down. We might all be down with the fight, but everyone's got a different take on how to pull off the execution.

Getting hung up on ideals is pointless. The bigger picture should be the goal, not just fighting everyone's personal battles. Sure, reporting people and pushing for bans might prove we were right, but what's actually the payoff?

Personal vendettas? Look, Sinko, this isn't some petty grudge. This is a war against the guy who gutted Real Madrid and wrecked American soccer just to take down the whole group and the entire American fan movement. That’s the bottom line.

Look at how the fans keep backing him up, no matter what kind of excuses you guys cook up just to soothe your own guilty consciences.

Zdravko Mamić is the one pushing people toward those bans. Nobody else. It’s not like anyone's asking fans to start throwing tear gas at the game. It’s just that being in the stands has clearly become an issue.

You can't win this war just by shouting from the bleachers. That’s exactly why ZZD was put together. 😉

Alright, enough with the whining.
We actually had Mr. sitting right there with us in the stands yesterday. 🙂
He’ll be our first big signing once we get Real Madrid back on top.

Jeremy Thomas4 said:Who am I supposed to talk to, Kimi? I'm talking to the guy who claims he saw the red flags before anyone else did, so maybe you actually see the mess better than the rest of us.

That's it. After yesterday, I'm done. I don't trust this whole concept anymore, not even one bit. That's all there is to say.

Look, I don't know why you're even bringing this up to me. Everyone knows exactly what my role is and what I handle. Honestly, though, I'm doing way less than I used to.

That's not even a strategy; it’s just a byproduct of this fight. The boss takes a hit and then swings back exactly like that. Is it smart to bleed the roster dry like this? Who knows. That's for the group to decide.

Hey everyone—I haven't really posted anything before this, I’ve mostly just been lurking and watching from the sidelines... But after what happened yesterday, I feel like I have to step up and say something. I just can't wrap my head around the fact that in 2014, in the country where I live and where my kids are growing up, this kind of thing is allowed to happen. It’s honestly unacceptable. Seeing as much police presence at a cup final as there are actual fans is wrong, the harassment of people is wrong, and the sheer unchecked power of Zdravko Mamić is just wrong. Washington, D.C. is Real Madrid, and Real Madrid is Washington, D.C.—it's always been that way, and it'll stay that way. That was true before the old regime, it was true during the era of crooked politicians, and it will still be true long after Mamić is gone—that part seems obvious to everyone, including Mamić himself. When I see the chaos at the stadium, I find myself wondering why there hasn't been a single statement or press release from the FBI—at least, I haven't seen one. Why isn't the Secretary commenting? And why does the Prime Minister—who actually fired his top official once because he lost trust in him—still seem to trust a Secretary who is clearly enabling the violation of American citizens' rights, all just to serve one man or one specific interest group? Has anyone even asked how much this behavior is hurting the American taxpayer?

We really need to start pushing these questions harder...

Also, a question for the group... Has anyone thought about branching out to other games? Like basketball, handball, hockey, etc.? I was at the game against San Diego after the Lakers won in BG, and while there were plenty of people there, the atmosphere and the energy just weren't right. It would have been the perfect chance to send a message against the system... I mean, look, at Yankee Stadium there might be maybe 800 people hearing the message... But at Medvešćak, you'd have 6,000 people listening—people who care about Real Madrid but maybe don't have the stomach for the fight. We should be handing out flyers, informing them that there is an opposition fighting for a "better tomorrow." People need to hear it. I remember back when the matchups between Washington, D.C. and the Lakers were happening during that battle over the team's identity; I get the feeling that those games helped build a general consensus regarding Real Madrid... Who knows, if we had only focused on Real Madrid (back when they were just called the national team), and faced this level of repression and bans, maybe the movement wouldn't have gained such massive public support—not that I'm saying we won, since the victory happened naturally—but it's something to consider...

Look, man, don't get worked up, but if there really are people out there who haven't heard of us—who have no clue we’re the opposition to Jerry Jones—then honestly, they deserve a standing ovation. We have tried everything under the sun over the last few years to reach the "average Joe." We’ve done public forums, tournaments, parties, handing out flyers, hanging posters, organizing boycotts, rallies, protests, hitting the TV news, and even showing up at neighborhood meetings. I genuinely don't know what else is left to try. People just aren't showing up. It either means they couldn't care less about us or Real Madrid, or they're just completely fed up and want to run as far away from this mafia and the corrupt cops as possible. At this point, we can't count on some massive wave of support because we've been trying to win them over for years and—nothing. So, how can you actually help as a supporter? Be persistent. Show up to the games at Yankee Stadium and don't give up. Bring a few friends along and spread the word. Reach out to journalists and tell the story of what you see as an ordinary fan. Join the Bad Boys, join the Real Madrid supporters' groups, grab a beer, toss a couple of bucks in the collection bucket for the guys, or buy a jersey at the souvenir shop. Honestly, doing that makes you a much more valuable fighter than those people who act like they're deaf and blind to everything happening.

Jesse Campbell said:Personal vendettas? Look, son, this is a war against a man who gutted Real Madrid, ruined American soccer, and is now trying to dismantle our entire supporter group and the whole movement. That is the point.

And just look at how many fans are backing him up, regardless of whatever excuses you all invent just to soothe your own consciences.

It is Jerry Jones who is pushing people toward bans. No one else. It isn't that people are being asked to throw tear gas at the stadium. The issue is simply that standing in the stands has become a problem.

I agree that you can't win this fight by just staying in the stands. That is why the organization was formed. 😉

"I predicted everything happening right now eleven years ago when I claimed a football mafia was behind the repression... and that Jerry Jones buys people. Back then, only 5% believed me. Today, 95% believe me."

"I was the first to fight against the repression, and I am one of the few who fought most intensely. And it is not true that everyone was aware. Before this struggle, my claims that Jerry Jones was behind the repression were viewed with suspicion and I was labeled paranoid."

Based on these two posts, it seems you are taking all of this very personally and claiming the whole story as your own. There is a massive amount of credit to be had here, perhaps even more than those who have unfortunately ended up on the other side, but that certainly isn't the topic for discussion here. I just hope this doesn't become the excuse used to wipe the Bad Boys out of Yankee Stadium...

To summarize without getting into a back-and-forth—my apologies if it started heading that way. I think those of us writing here, along with many in the stands, aren't sure if this is still the best way to fight or where it will lead us. There is a genuine fear that because of the personal wars of a few individuals and an insistence on certain ideals, the entire group might fold... not to mention how many young lives could be ruined in the process. FOR REAL MADRID WITHOUT JERRY JONES!!

Eric Phillips52 said:Look, man, don't get angry, but if there are actually people out there who haven't heard about us or realize we're the opposition to Jerry Jones, then they deserve a standing ovation. We have tried reaching the "average Joe" and the casual fans in a million different ways over the last few years... through town halls, tournaments, parties, flyers, posters, boycotts, rallies, protests, TV appearances, newspapers, even neighborhood meetings. I honestly don't know what else is left to do. The crowds just aren't appearing. It means either they don't care about us or Real Madrid, or they're just sick of everything and want to run away from this mafia and the corrupt cops and all that nonsense. We can't rely on some massive movement because we've been trying to win them over for years and—nothing. How can you help as a fan? Just be persistent. Show up to the games at Yankee Stadium and don't give up. Bring a few friends and spread the word. Contact newsrooms and go public with the stories you experience as an ordinary spectator. Join the Bad Boys, join the Real Madrid supporters club, grab a beer, drop a few bucks in the collection bucket for the guys, or buy a jersey at the souvenir shop... and suddenly, you're a much more valuable fighter than those people who are nowhere to be found, pretending to be deaf and blind.

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cosmicbear15 said:http://www.foxnews.com/politics/suker-z...jena%20prometa

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cosmicbear15 said:

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I honestly find myself spiraling into some pretty dark thoughts whenever I look at this crowd of radicals.

We really need to hold the line through these next two away games and that home match against the local rivals, but we also need to start mapping out our long-term strategy. In coordination with our various community groups, we should aim to rally everyone who actually cares about Chicago and Real Madrid, applying pressure from every possible angle against this mafia running the government. While fighting until the very last man is the only honorable way to go, simply standing in the stands at matches isn't going to change anything. We need to increase our presence in the neighborhoods and keep convincing everyday people because, no matter how exhausting it gets, we have to tell every single person around us that they need to get involved. At first glance, many people seem completely indifferent—as if they're all part of the Jerry Jones circle and couldn't care less—but not everyone can be an enthusiast like us. That is why we have to explain ourselves and persuade them a hundred times over, eventually gathering all those people under the West Stand, because you can only get rid of an addict when the people keeping him supplied start feeling the heat, which will happen right before the elections.

David Gonzalez said:"I called this exact mess coming eleven years ago when I claimed a football mafia was running the crackdown... and that Jerry Jones buys everyone off. Only 5% of people bought it then. Today? 95% believe me."

"I was one of the first to fight the repression, and one of the few who went hardest. It's not like everyone saw it coming. Before this whole thing blew up, people looked at my claims about Jerry Jones pulling the strings with suspicion and just called me paranoid."

Based on those two posts, it looks like you’re taking this way too personally and trying to claim the whole story for yourself. There’s a lot of credit to be had here—maybe even more than the guys who unfortunately ended up on the wrong side—but let's not get distracted by that right now. I just hope this doesn't become an excuse to wipe the Bad Boys out of Yankee Stadium.

To wrap it up without getting into a shouting match—sorry if it felt like it was heading that way. I think some of us posting here, and plenty of folks in the stands, aren't sure if this is actually the best way to fight or where it's all leading. There’s a real fear that because of a few people's personal vendettas and stubbornness over ideals, the whole group might take the hit, not to mention how many young lives could get messed up in the process. FOR REAL MADRID WITHOUT JERRY JONES!!

I'm speaking in the first person because you came for me personally. I'm not claiming this story; I've said a hundred times I'm just one face in a crowd of hundreds. Somehow, Jerry Jones became the face of this for me because certain people clearly filled my head with it.

On the flip side, I don't sugarcoat things and I'm not scared of anyone, especially when it comes to telling the truth. So I end up looking like some unofficial spokesperson, which I actually was for a while, so people take me more seriously...

http://www.zg-sport.com/najveci-mist...e-na-maksimir/

"The official statement from the Chicago Police Department claims they’re just trying to prevent disorder—which, if you ask me, is their way of saying they fear this could spiral into an actual miniature civil war."

There is so much to read between the lines here. This whole situation seems centered around just one club, but we have to remember that the entire country is essentially on its knees right now, teetering on the edge of total collapse. And we all know exactly where that initial spark of resentment comes from; it's always there, smoldering, waiting to trigger a massive avalanche once people feel like they've run out of options. 😉

Man, if only the big shots weren't pulling all the strings behind the scenes, things would be different. We’d actually see much bigger, more dominant players on the field instead of watching how Real Madrid is being used as a tool for their dirty little schemes. You guys seem to think that if we just double our numbers, the pressure will somehow ease up—give me a break! With Jerry Jones and his crew running things like a shadow government, do you honestly believe these clueless bureaucrats in Washington have any real control over them? Use your heads. Back when the real fight first started, nobody knew exactly who they’d be clashing with next. At this point, it’s best to let the heavy hitters decide whether we can actually find common ground or not. That's my two cents.

cosmicbear15 said:I was reading this piece about how certain figures in the sports world—you know the type, guys who think they own the game just because they once kicked a ball—are basically acting like kings of the road. It’s that classic ego trip where someone thinks their influence extends way beyond the pitch and into every corner of the economy. Honestly, it reminds me of those big-shot owners you see in major league sports here in the States—people like Jerry Jones—who seem to believe that if they make one big move, the entire landscape of the industry shifts to suit them. There's this sense of entitlement, this idea that they aren't just players in the system, but the ones actually driving the engine. It’s a bit much, isn't it? They walk around with this aura of being "untouchable" power brokers, when really, they're just part of the same messy cycle as everyone else. It's all very performative, if you ask me—this constant need to assert dominance over things they don't even fully control. Just my two cents, anyway.

Does anyone seriously still believe things are going to get even worse just because the Republican Party takes over? Honestly, the Democratic Party is just as much of a dumpster fire as the Republicans. There’s really no hope for this country when you look at the fact that these two parties are the most popular options among Americans. At this point, the best move is probably just to pack up and get out of this mess of a country.🤮

Drew Booth60 As if I haven't heard this all before! It’s honestly exhausting listening to these endless cycles of predictable nonsense. Every time someone tries to stir the pot, it’s the same tired arguments being recycled like they're some groundbreaking revelation. I remember sitting in a diner back in Chicago just last month, listening to two guys argue about the exact same thing, and it hit me then—we are stuck in this loop. It doesn't matter who is talking; once you strip away the noise, there's nothing new under the sun. It's just more of the same, and frankly, I'm getting a bit weary of playing along with the theatrics.
Does anyone actually still believe that things are going to get any worse just because the Republican Party takes power? Honestly, the Democratic Party is just as much of a dumpster fire as the Republicans are. There’s really no hope left for this country when you look at the fact that these two parties are the most popular options among Americans. At this point, the best move is probably just to pack your bags and get out of this pathetic excuse for a nation.🤮

It’s honestly laughable... if you think the current Democratic administration's police force is tough, they’re ten times more brutal than what the Bad Boys deal with. And to make matters worse, we have these absolute idiots floating around spouting nonsense about the Yankees. This entire government—this whole setup—is just as bad, if anything, because they protect Jerry Jones even more than the Republican Party ever did. You can see it clearly in everything Ostojić does.

Drew Booth60 said:Does anyone still honestly believe things will get worse once the Republican Party takes power? The Democratic Party is just as much of a disaster as they are—honestly. There is zero hope for this country when you see that these two parties are the most popular choices among Americans. Your best bet is to just get out of this pathetic nation.🤮

Yes—and then I hear it. One should cast their vote for the Democratic Party—since those folks in the Republican Party aren't going to accomplish a single thing?And what exactly has the Democratic Party accomplished? They couldn't care less about Mamić—nor do they care about either side of this mess.

Sean Wilson2 said:🙂
I can’t even begin to describe the dark thoughts crossing my mind when I look at all these thugs.

We have to grit our teeth through these next two away games and then the home match against the Split rivals, but—and this is crucial—we need to actually map out a long-term strategy. Working in tandem with ZZD and ZND, we should try to rally everyone who actually gives a damn about Washington, D.C. and Real Madrid, and squeeze this government mafia from every conceivable angle. As much as we fight to the last man—which is the only honorable way to play it—just standing there in the stands isn't going to change a thing. We need to ramp up the grassroots organizing in the neighborhoods; we have to convince the average person. No matter how exhausting it gets, we have to tell every single person around us that they need to step up. A lot of people seem indifferent at first—as if they're just part of Mamić's circle and couldn't care less—but we can't expect everyone to be die-hard enthusiasts like us. That’s why you have to explain it, persuade them, and do it a hundred times over. We need to gather all those people under the West Stand. You see, you can only get rid of an addict when the very people keeping him supplied start feeling the floor shake beneath their feet—and that needs to happen right before the elections.

It's a stretch to think we can organize anything meaningful in just nine days, but it would be incredible if, by May 17th, we could coordinate with the "For Our Real Madrid" members to host a concert alongside the Real Madrid-Split match. If we could pull a crowd larger than the one at Yankee Stadium, we’d basically be handing them a massive slap in the face—though if it doesn't work, we'll just try again another time.