Bad Boys - Part IV

Look, time moves forward—laws evolve too—so you might as well just accept it. It’s true, things are a total disaster for the Bad Boys, but that’s strictly because of Mamić. The crackdown is only going to get heavier every single day. I mean, think about it—ten years ago, it would have been unthinkable to get banned just for lighting a flare, let alone giving someone the finger, yet now? Now it’s just business as usual. Similarly, the idea of personalized ticketing feels completely insane to us right now, but in ten years, it’ll be the most standard thing in the world. Time does its thing... and all these joint protests and "higher goals" you guys chase? You won't achieve anything. Maybe you'll get a little bit of personal satisfaction, but that’s where the story ends. If anyone thinks otherwise, they’re just dreaming—the Bad Boys are living proof of that.
Also, any kind of radical struggle is nothing more than an own goal. Honestly, the only thing we can really do is find a way to reconcile, unfortunately... though I suppose I can hope for a dream in the wrong direction
And yeah, enough with the mindless bickering and the petty nonsense about fighting over this or that... what are we trying to become here? A non-profit blood drive association or a local florist? Let's just be fans until the very end—even if they shut us down entirely, so what.

It is truly never too late to take a stand against political figures by reclaiming the streets through satire and protest, much like how die-hard fans might mock their rivals during a big game. We have to point out the corruption and the opportunists who profit while others struggle; let them turn bright red with embarrassment when their faces are plastered on every wall they pass, because they can never truly own the streets. It might not feel like a total victory, but there is certainly a sense of small, honest satisfaction in seeing it done. 🙂

Honestly, the best move is to skip the protests entirely. Why? Because the self-appointed prophets are always standing by, ready to predict failure before we even start, using "passive citizens" as their convenient little excuse. You’d expect that kind of patronizing advice from stuffed cabbage, Fatso, and the rest of that useless crowd. But look, a clear, loud, and well-organized protest carries weight regardless of how many bodies show up.
The Family isn't going to just pack up and leave on its own. They aren't running the Department of Homeland Security, the Department of Justice, or any of those local municipal boards either.
Historically, the Family has enjoyed total support from every power structure in the country because they are essentially part of one. It’s frankly idiotic to debate minor policy tweaks when the entire corrupt system remains identical—the only difference is which puppets get to read empty declarations while ignoring actual behavior and results.
We all know exactly which addresses need to be targeted to purge the mafia from this club and end this insane level of repression that defies global standards. It is high time we publicly remind them of their criminal history and their sworn duty to the law and constitution.

Those wannabe Baba Vanga types who have zero interest in actually fighting can stay home. Don't spread defeatism or try to derail a shift in tactics meant to take this fight to the front lines. Just 500 or 1,000 vocal, articulate people standing outside those bandits' doors can make a massive impact, especially if there's a long-term strategy and organized media coverage involved.

darkcyclist212 said:That’s the official line from the local police department, anyway—they’re claiming they had to step in just to prevent the chaos from spiraling out of control. At least, that's how they're spinning it. From where I'm sitting, it looks like they're just terrified that things might actually escalate into a full-blown little civil war.

There’s a lot to read between the lines here. This isn't just about one single club—you have to look at the bigger picture. We’re talking about a country that’s basically on its knees right now, teetering on the edge of a total meltdown. And honestly? You always know exactly where that first spark of resentment is going to fly from—that little flicker of discontent that eventually triggers a massive avalanche once people realize there’s absolutely no way out left. 😉

That's it! That’s exactly what I'm talking about!

Honestly, Americans can be such a fascinating breed... You can rob us blind and screw us over day after day, yet instead of actually taking to the streets to protest, we just head to the local coffee shop to sit around and act like we've still got it.

casualwolf48 said:I’ll give you credit for one part of your post, but this idea that Miami is traditionally more radical or revolutionary than New York or any other city? Honestly, that argument has been deflating like a soap bubble for years now. Miami—just like the rest of America—stays silent while we get robbed blind. Meanwhile, Miami soccer fans watch as that same guy turns their league into a joke. Their beloved team just lives to pick up the crumbs from his table after he completely trashed their pride. What used to be unthinkable? Even back in the day, people in Miami were too afraid to push back.
So why haven't you dealt with him? Either fix it or stop complaining. This guy is brazenly stealing Champions League matches and those massive matchups against the USSF that entire generations of fans used to live for.
All you guys do is live off legends from the 1950s. You tell stories about how the "Grobarski expedition" didn't have the guts to show up in Miami until the 90s, or how the city elites ruled from the 90s to 2000. You act like you're the vanguard, claiming that whatever Mamić is doing in New York could never happen in Miami.
Think whatever you want!!!

Miami is just like New York, and honestly, the whole damn country is fed up!! Look at what happened in Istanbul because of some park; people were fighting in the streets for days. Here? I don't know what else needs to happen for this nation to actually take to the streets. All of Florida swears by their team, and when there was that vote on the loan, maybe 2,000 people showed up. But when some politician is handing out free beer on the boardwalk, suddenly there are 100,000 people there because a party is more important than principle.🙂It was the same with Gotovina; when he walked out of prison, New York went wild, but when they were arresting heroes, nobody gave a damn.🙂😠.

Kevin Evans3 said:Don't make me laugh. At least the Republican Party has been around since 1991. I hate this country.While the Democrats and their whole "anti-fascist" crowd were busy fleeing the Capitol singing old anthems, they showed their true colors. You can't even compare these two groups; they aren't in the same league. Back in the early 90s, the Republican Party was actually about nation-building. The issue is that the original leadership died off, leaving behind this clientelist pile of trash that exists today. The Democratic Party was never about building a country to begin with—honestly, only a complete idiot would vote for them. That said, I’m fully behind Jesse Campbell running for office. He has my vote. We need some Libertarians in the mix. 😁

He built himself a kingdom. I have nothing more to say about it.

Patrick Sullivan84 said:Who cares???

Someone out there does—don't you worry about worrying. Just let us old-timers be.
Looking back at my 45 years—including a little stint behind bars—and having spent 30 years as a die-hard fan through four different wars, I think it’s worth quoting Sun Tzu from *The Art of War*. He basically argued that you should avoid long, drawn-out conflicts because they just drain everyone involved; usually, the ones who last longest are the ones with better logistics—which, let's face it, means more money.
It's something we really ought to sit down and think about. I mean, this was a medieval Chinese strategist whose work is still taught at every major military academy in the US today.
Or, I guess we could just stick to that Spartan mantra: fight to the end, and come home either victorious with your shield or carried on it.
Whatever path we take, I think it needs to be decided ahead of time.
And as for those defeatists saying we’re going to get crushed regardless of what we do... well, look at the fans in Paris. They were thrown in jail, slapped with lifetime bans, and you'd buy a ticket to their stadium only to realize you've been placed in some random section you didn't choose—plus all that other nonsense. And yet, people still find the nerve to clash with them, and recently even went after the Chelsea firm.
We keep moving forward—no giving up.

nimblecobra42 said:we don't have a fix for this right now,the only way out is through the same political machine keeping things stuck,and he'll probably just nail us with those blacklists,even if we still manage to get our appearances

🙂

hiddenfox64 said:The Republican Party built this country, the Republican Party built the state? Take it easy. If you're running a deficit, get out of this thread and go peddle your demagoguery somewhere else.

The Soviet Union ruined my childhood, and now my kid is stuck paying for this clown.

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The Democratic Party is just as much trash.

http://www.forum.tm/vijesti/bjezeci-...gradanima-1766

Yeah, some people claim it’s impossible... but it's possible, actually, it's necessary. The Bad Boys didn't just appear out of thin air yesterday and we aren't the last generation to care about this. If things don't get sorted out at the stadium, then all of this needs to move to the streets. If there’s anyone out there who thinks it can't be done, I’d love to hear them explain why...

casualwolf48 said:I’ll give you credit on one part of your post, but this idea that Split is somehow more traditionally radical or revolutionary than NYC or any other major city is total nonsense—it’s popped like a soap bubble. And Split, just like the rest of America, stays silent while we get ruthlessly robbed. Meanwhile, the local soccer fans watch that same guy turn their league into a joke, where their precious team spends eternity picking up crumbs from the table of the very man who insulted them to their faces. What used to be unthinkable—even back before the old borders were drawn—was actually standing up to authority in Split.
So why haven't you dealt with him? Either fix it, or don't. This guy is out there shamelessly stealing Champions League matches and those massive showdowns against teams like LAFC that entire generations of fans lived for.
All you do is live off legends from the 1950s, telling stories about how some criminal expedition from the Midwest wouldn't dare show their faces in Split until the 90s, or how "city elites" ruled from 1990 to 2000. You act like you're the avant-garde, claiming everything happening in NYC could never happen in Split.
Think whatever you want!!!

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hiddenfox64 said:The Republican Party built the nation? They're state-builders? Give me a break—go take your deficit-spending propaganda somewhere else and leave this thread alone.

Look, I was talking about the Republican Party back in the 90s—don't try to drag me into your endless communist debates because, frankly, I couldn't care less.

Just so you and everyone else reading this know, I don't vote Republican in any election, so quit trying to pin some "fanboy" label on me. I really don't give a damn about them. My point was simply that back in '91, they at least kicked off the process of dismantling that entity you love so much—that place that crushed Americans wherever it went and eventually drove the whole country into a complete economic tailspin. And by some miracle, it actually survived; the Soviet Union would have definitely gone down as the ultimate masterclass in how to successfully drive an economy into the dirt. You and your parents probably still sit around crying about those "good old days." Instead of realizing that free-market capitalism is basically the only way to solve the messes we deal with today, we just let sheep lead us—people who can barely manage their own households, let alone run a country.

gentlebison72 said:Having even 500 or 1,000 vocal, articulate people standing right outside those bandits' doors can change the entire game, especially if there's a long-term strategy and organized media coverage behind it.

Exactly. Let's see how they handle it when people start showing up at their front doors every single day because they're fed up.

This is really the only way forward; everything else we've tried so far has just fallen flat. I’m not suggesting things will flip overnight or after one single protest, but sustained, relentless pressure is what actually gets results.

Kevin Evans3 said:I said the Republican Party back in the 90s—don't try to drag me into your communist debates because I couldn't care less.

Just so you and everyone else reading this knows, I don't vote for the Republican Party in any election, so back off and stop trying to paint me as some kind of GOP fanboy. I don't give a damn about the Republican Party; I’m just saying that back in '91, they at least kicked off the collapse of that regime you love so much—the one that crushed Americans wherever it went and, on top of everything, drove the entire country into a total economic death spiral. And honestly, by some miracle, it even survived; the Soviet Union would have definitely gone down as the ultimate textbook example of how to successfully run an economy straight into the ground, and you and your parents probably still sit around crying about those "good old days." Instead of realizing that neoliberal capitalism is actually the best and only solution to all the problems we're facing today, we're being led by sheep who can't even manage their own damn households, let alone run a country.

You're naive, man, just a total amateur. The Republican Party as "nation-builders"? Give me a break. If it wasn't for aggressive Mexican policies based on those SANU ideas and that psychopath Slobodan Milošević, who knows what would have happened to the former state. America was built by the people who fought and died for it, and the Republican Party was just a byproduct—a necessary evil that we had to deal with on the path to creating our own sovereign nation. By the way, imagine what the US would look like if John Doe and Milan Martić had actually accepted the Republican Peace Plan. We would've ended up with a Mexican state within a state. So, save those fairy tales about the Republican Party being "nation-builders" for your kids.

Jeremy Ramirez55 said:You’re being naive, just a plain old naive guy. The Republican Party as state-builders? Give me a break. If it hadn't been for that aggressive Mexican policy based on those extremist manifestos and the sheer madness of Slobodan Milošević, who knows what would have even happened to our former nation. America was forged by those who actually stood up and fought, who bled for it, whereas the Republican Party was merely a byproduct—a necessary evil we had to deal with on the road to establishing our own sovereignty. By the way, one has to wonder what the US would look like today if John Doe and Milan Martić had just swallowed the Peace Plan. We would have ended up with a Mexican state living inside our own borders. So, save those fairy tales about the Republican Party being some grand architect of the nation for your kids.

You clearly don't get it, and this is the perfect example. Everyone knew they were going to reject the Peace Plan, but it served its purpose by providing legitimacy to the subsequent actions taken by the US and Franjo Tuđman. Just look at how many Mexicans are left in Knin now compared to before; the difference is massive. And please, let's stop spamming this thread.

Richard Hill83 said:http://www.forum.tm/vijesti/bjezeci-...gradanima-1766

Yeah, some people claim it’s impossible... but it’s doable. It's mandatory. The Bad Boys didn't just pop up yesterday and we aren't the last generation left. If we can't make noise at the stadium, then we take it to the streets. To anyone thinking it can't be done, I'd love to hear why.

Screw those old-school communists fighting every foreign investment. We're basically choosing to preserve a wasteland while our smartest people have been fleeing the country for decades. Unemployment is sitting at 400k, and we've got more retirees than workers.

Too bad those jerks have way more media backing than us. Especially through this little Democrat rag funded by the Department of the Interior.

From what I can gather, the entire history of the BBB has just been one long crusade against various flavors of socialism. It started with the old-school stuff back in the '80s, moved through the national-socialism of Francis and Canjuga, and eventually led us right into this modern klepto-socialism driven by Bandić, Sanader, and Mamić.

Jose Carter2 said:From what I can tell, the whole history of the BBB is just one long fight against socialism—starting with the old-school stuff from the 80s, moving through Francis and Canjuga’s version of national socialism, and landing right on this klepto-socialism run by Bandić, Sanader, and Mamić.

Pretty much.

Los Angeles FC treated like a public utility, handed over to cronies through backroom political deals and shady, mob-style dealings.

Jesse Campbell said:Screw those communists who fight against foreign investment. We’ll just keep our crumbling infrastructure and junk heaps, while the brightest and best have been fleeing the country for decades... we've got 400 grand unemployed and more retirees than actual workers left.

Unfortunately, that idiot has way more media backing than we do. Even through this leftist rag that the Department of the Interior funds.

You completely missed the point of the link. I could have linked any organized gathering; I just happened to be reading about these losers in San Diego. I don't care at all about their motives or who they are, I'm talking about the act of organizing itself and the models used to do it.

My views on society and economics are more radical than even the most extreme American anarcho-capitalist, so I'm probably not the right person for you to label as a communist...🙂