Bad Boys - Part IV

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gentlebison72 said:The smartest move is to avoid protesting altogether, because those self-appointed prophets always know exactly how to claim we won't achieve anything, using excuses about a "passive citizenry" to justify their own inaction. You’d expect that kind of patronizing advice from Sarma, the Fat Man, and the rest of the small fry in their positions. A clear, loud, and well-organized protest will echo far and wide, regardless of how many people actually show up.
The Family isn't going to just pack up and leave on its own; furthermore, the Family doesn't hold sway over the Department of the Interior, sports commissions, municipal boards, or the judiciary.
The Family has enjoyed the backing of all ruling structures thus far, largely because they are an integral part of one of them. It is utterly foolish to argue over minor variations within the same corrupt political machine—a machine that differs only in the public roles assigned to the sheep who parrot empty declarations instead of looking at actual behavior, actions, and results.
We all know exactly which addresses need to be targeted to purge the mafia from the club and end this abnormal repression that has surpassed any reasonable boundary ever seen in the world. It is high time we publicly remind them of their criminal history and their sworn obligations to the law and constitution.

Those Baba Vanga types who aren't interested in fighting more actively might as well stay home, rather than spreading defeatism and trying to stifle attempts to shift tactics and move the fight to the most critical battlefield. Having even 500 or 1,000 loud, articulate individuals standing outside the bandits' windows can make a massive difference, especially when backed by a long-term strategy and organized media attention.

Richard Hill83 said:You missed the whole point of the link. I could've sent any random gathering; I just happened to be reading about these bums in San Diego. I don't care about their motives or who they are—I'm talking about how things get organized and the models used to do it.

My views on society and economics are way more radical than even the most hardcore American anarcho-capitalist out there, so stop trying to pin communism on me.🙂

I didn't say you were a communist. Just that you picked the wrong role models. Which you already realized.

To everyone else chiming in: yeah, I agree. We need to start hitting them with organized pressure and all kinds of protests. These scumbags shouldn't be allowed to sleep easy. Not one of them!

Samuel Cox85 said:🙂

Look, man... if you’re going to be that stubborn, maybe stop running your head into a brick wall.

When you step back and look at the big picture, the streets offer a much better tactical advantage for our cause than the stadium stands do (at least at our home field).
In the stands, they have us cornered and under their thumb, whereas out on the streets, things aren't quite so easily controlled.
What I mean is, we need to expand our presence from the stands into the city streets themselves, rather than just limiting our struggle to one single week where we end up being nothing more than hostages to their machine.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GILXx_JVtdg

I really loved that post by @Angel of Death—I won't quote him here, though, since it’s already been cited all over this thread anyway. Makes sense, right?
I get it, the younger crowd—both our guys and the Tovar crew—really feels the need for both a home stadium and better highway access. I see it with the kids jumping onto streetcars these days, which kind of reminds me of how we used to jump on the trolley in the 80s... back then, we'd basically hunt down anyone looking like a gravedigger or a drifter just to mess with them. I did it quite a bit around the University of Michigan campus, and even once down in San Diego—not on the trolley, obviously, just out on the streets.
But maybe the only way to actually build up enough momentum to make a move is through new, joint actions between Tovar and us—plus maybe some other decent fans from across the States.
I honestly think Angel of Death was being a bit visionary when he pointed out the one thing we have left.

gentlebison72 said:The smartest move is to skip the protests altogether—because the self-appointed prophets always know exactly how they’ll fail, quickly manufacturing excuses about an "apathetic populace" to shield themselves from responsibility. You’d expect that kind of patronizing advice from the likes of stuffed cabbage rolls, Fatso, and the rest of their useless little clique. A clear, loud, and meticulously organized protest will echo far and wide, regardless of whether there are ten people or ten thousand standing there.
The Family isn't going to just pack up and leave on its own; besides, The Family doesn't run the Department of Homeland Security, the sports commissions, the municipal boards, or the judicial system.
Up until now, The Family has enjoyed the backing of every single ruling structure—largely because they are part of one of those structures. It is utterly foolish to debate individual political options when they all stem from the exact same corrupt ideology; the only difference is which group gets to play the role of the "sheeple," reciting empty declarations and hollow rhetoric instead of actually looking at behavior, actions, and results.
We all know exactly which addresses need to be targeted to purge the mafia from the club and end this insane repression—repression that has crossed every boundary ever witnessed in the civilized world. It is high time we publicly remind them of their criminal history and the obligations they hold toward the law and constitution.

Those modern-day Nostradamus types who have zero interest in fighting actively might as well stay home, rather than spreading defeatism and trying to sabotage any attempt to shift tactics and move the fight to the actual battlefield. Five hundred or a thousand loud, articulate people standing outside the bandits' windows can make a massive difference—especially if there is a long-term strategy and pre-arranged media coverage involved.

This post needs to be plastered on every single page. 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏

casualwolf48 said:I’ll give you credit for one part of your post, but this idea that Split is somehow more traditionally radical or revolutionary than Los Angeles or any other major city—man, people have been spinning that yarn like a soap bubble for decades now. And Split, just like the rest of America, stays quiet while we’re being relentlessly robbed blind. Meanwhile, the football crowd in Split sits there watching that same guy turn their league into a joke—a league where their precious Ajduk lives forever picking up crumbs from the table of the very man who basically pissed all over their pride. They act so high and mighty, judging everything alive. Back in the day, when things were actually intense, even before the old wars, people in Split actually had the guts to stand up.
So why haven't you dealt with him? Either deal with him or don't. But look, the guy is literally stealing Champions League matches from you—stealing those massive matchups against teams like the Dallas Cowboys that used to define entire generations of fans.
All you do is live off legends from the 1950s—stories about how some criminal expedition from the Midwest couldn't dare show their faces in Split until the 90s, or how the urbanites from the 90s to the 2000s thought they were the avant-garde. You think that because Mamić is running things in Los Angeles, something like this could never happen in Split.
Think whatever you want, honestly. It doesn't matter.!!!

A lot of you would’ve folded under the pressure if you were actually living in Split. I mean, even here, whenever someone comes in from out of town, they practically have to be escorted in and out of the stadium during rotations. I don't know if any fool would actually try to take him down in daily life—really, I don't—but the truth is, it's hard to say which place is more rotten and decayed, so let's not get too deep into the Los Angeles situation. People used to fear the local tough guys back when they were as powerful as Mamić, but then again, Mamić is a total psychopath—a sick individual, honestly. These last few years have just proven how easy it is to domesticate people, make them stupid, and get them used to getting beaten down until they accept misery. This whole country is basically just a place designed to make you want to emigrate.
The other day, there was news about that Chelsea fan who got banned from the stadium, and the whole world caught it in seconds. If our habit of checking tickets and arresting a hundred people on the way out was anything like that, it would’ve been the lead story on CNN. And to top it off, you've got ministers supporting the idea of sending people to mental institutions. It's like a Monty Python sketch.

casualrider43 said:When you really step back and look at the big picture, the streets offer much better ground for our movement than the stands do—at least at our home stadium.
In the stands, they have us cornered, but out on the streets, it wouldn't be quite so easy for them to control us.
Basically, we need to take this fight out into the city streets, rather than just limiting ourselves to one week where we're essentially just sitting ducks for their machinery.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GILXx_JVtdg

We ought to consider reaching out to the other major teams in the city (like the Los Angeles Lakers, R. K. Chicago, or Medvešćak). There’s a massive following there—people who are fundamentally against Mamić, but they just don't have the bandwidth, the time, or the means to push back against this kind of repression...

Someone mentioned they'd tip their hat to anyone who hasn't heard about this movement after everything that's been done... Personally, I agree with what was said, and I'm certain there isn't a soul left who hasn't heard of the struggle, but the fight is happening too far removed from the mainstream for the general public to actually get behind it. It's like how nobody truly grasped what was happening in Auschwitz until after Germany surrendered.

The current situation makes it pretty obvious that we're working with the wrong strategy...

At first, we were just taking trains to away games, totally on our own.
Then it started—cops meeting us at the stations and escorting us straight to the stadium.
Next thing you know, we’re traveling in vans and cars without any protection at all.
Pretty soon, the police are waiting for us at the city limits whenever our club travels to an away match.
After that, they started providing escorts from the very beginning of every trip.
Then the police dictatorship kicked in, where they'd dictate that only one single guy from the group could get out at a gas station to grab whatever the rest of the bus wanted.
Following that, the cops wouldn't even let the buses pull over.
Not long after, they banned all alcohol and started forcing gas stations to close up.
Then, because they claimed it was for "our own safety," the state decided to lock us up at stadiums for an hour... sometimes even two.
Then came the bans on flares. Then they started making arrests over two beers. Then arrests for wearing an ACAB shirt. Then arrests for wearing a hoodie. Then arrests for wearing a shirt with a skull and crossbones on it.
Then they invented those damn vouchers. Then they started closing off entire sections of the stands. Then they began demanding personal data just to buy tickets.
Then they started hauling people in for hate speech and chanting.
Then they started arresting people just because they weren't sitting in their assigned seats.
And then... and then they'll just shut everything down entirely!

Gregory Martin31 said:We really ought to consider looking toward the other local teams—the Los Angeles Lakers, R. K. Chicago, or Medvešćak. There’s a massive wave of supporters there, people who despise Mamić but just don't have the energy, the time, or the means to fight against this kind of systemic repression...

Someone mentioned taking their hat off to anyone who hasn't heard about this struggle given everything that's been done... I agree with everything said, and I'm certain nobody is unaware of the fight, but the battle is happening too far removed from the public eye for the masses to actually back it. Nobody truly understood what was going on in Auschwitz until after Germany surrendered...

The current state of things clearly proves we're following the wrong strategy...

It's necessary, sure, but it's pointless because the perception is such that people would just run for the hills the moment they see us...
But if you mean we need to walk away from Maksimir, take it to the streets, and point out the ridiculous reality that a third-tier club has ten directors, a supervisory board, an assembly of eighty people, three hundred employees, and somehow burned through thirty million dollars last year without showing a single receipt... yeah, that needs to happen...

Look, we need to stage a temporary boycott of Maksimir. Seriously. Let's organize massive watch parties at other stadiums or public spots using giant video walls. We gather thousands of people there—die-hard fans, regular citizens, former players, even those legends from Real Madrid... You know who I mean. Use those gatherings to win over the younger generation and stay tight with the guys currently facing bans. Light the flares, scream your lungs out like you’re actually sitting in the stands at Maksimir, and project this loud, beautiful, defiant image to the entire world. When we can, we hit Maksimir in packs of 1,000 or 2,000. Or better yet? Be unpredictable. Show up selectively. Don't let them plan for us. Hit their games spontaneously so the cops aren't ready or coordinated. Bring a literal army of lawyers, journalists, reporters, and GoPro cameras. Upload everything. Live streams, reports, protests, bulletins—everything. Get all those creative, brilliant minds who were ever part of the Bad Boys together. Hold onto them. Listen to them. Look at their ideas for fixing this mess and keeping the fight alive, then actually execute them...

...otherwise, we just fade into nothingness!

Matthew Foster8 said:A lot of you have said the exact same thing—that you wouldn't be able to handle the pressure if this were happening back home in Los Angeles. Honestly, looking at how things work here, when people travel in from out of town and have to be shuttled in and out under heavy police rotation just to get to the game, it’s exhausting. I can't even begin to imagine what kind of lunatic would try to take matters into their own hands in daily life, but the truth is, the sheer level of corruption and decay is so overwhelming that I don't even want to dive deep into that specific rabbit hole right now. People used to stay quiet back when he was just as powerful as Mamić—maybe even more dangerous—but let's face it, Mamić is a total psychopath, a sick individual, and I don't even know where to stop. These last few years have proven just how easy it is to domesticate people, to dull their senses, and to get them accustomed to being beaten down by misery until this entire country feels like a place you only exist in to eventually leave it.
I remember seeing a news story about some Chelsea fan who got banned from a stadium, and within seconds, the whole world knew about it. By that logic, this whole circus of yours—the constant ticket checks and the mass arrests of a hundred people upon exiting—should be breaking news on CNN right now. And to top it off, you've got a cabinet minister actually supporting the idea of sending people to mental institutions. It’s a complete Monty Python sketch.

That’s all nonsense. It's like saying Pride parades will never happen in Los Angeles. LA is a tighter-knit community, more traditional, and arguably has fewer degenerates than New York, which makes sense, but that doesn't mean the myths surrounding it are true. And if you think that way, then "decay" is everywhere—in Paris, Warsaw, Rome, Naples... you name it.
Stimac was just a kid when he was at his peak; I honestly don't understand how anyone can write such absolute garbage... yes, Stimac 🤣

Matthew Foster8 said:Stimac would be more dangerous if he were actually as powerful as Mamić was back in the day.

Just another myth in the making...

We need to get organized and stage protests with clear objectives and punchy messaging. Some people might not realize this, but history shows that this kind of grassroots action has actually shifted the needle quite a bit in America. I’m primarily talking about those targeted demonstrations led by specific civil rights organizations—groups that put enough pressure on the administration to force through significant legislative changes that benefit everyday citizens, such as the Freedom of Information Act or our national Election Law.

Now that Šuker, Ostojić, and their associates have announced these new measures they intend to implement, it’s time to act. The fans are the only group that wasn't even invited to the table during this meeting, despite the fact that every single decision being made impacts them directly. We all know exactly why that is, so there's no need to dwell on it, but we need to show up at Times Square on the day of the next US Congress and US Cabinet session. We need to make sure the representatives and ministers understand our grievances and demand actual solutions. And we can't just do it once; we have to stay consistent!

Kevin Evans3 said:I said the Republican Party back in the 90s—don't try to drag me into your communist debates because I honestly couldn't care less.

Just so you and everyone else knows, I don't vote for the Republican Party in any election, so maybe stop trying to pin some kind of fan label on me—it’s really not that deep. I couldn't care less about them; I'm just pointing out that back in '91, they at least kicked off the process of dismantling that entity you love so much—the one that suppressed Americans everywhere and eventually steered the whole country into a complete economic meltdown. And somehow, miraculously, it survived—Yugoslavia would have definitely gone down in history as a masterclass in how to successfully run an economy into the ground—and you and your parents probably still spend your days mourning those times. Instead of realizing that neoliberal capitalism is basically the best and only solution for the mess we're in today, we just let sheep lead us—people who can't even manage their own households, let alone run a nation.

That guy is just a dirty agent from the old regime—a total old-school spook.

cosmicbear15 said:just another one for the myth books...

Give me a break... he didn't just walk away; he left because he got absolutely hammered by those eight losses against Debrecen and because of the drama with Ćiro. To suggest he’d be the first one to leave his office after nine straight years at the top is pure nonsense—he’d have gone straight from the boardroom to the grave if that were true. Honestly, trying to compare Stimac back in 2005 to Mamic today is just laughable; back then, Stimac couldn't even keep a grip on a team like the Miami Marlins, let alone control the entire Federation and all the corrupt bureaucrats running the show.

bluewalker92 said:Organize a temporary boycott of Yankee Stadium. Set up massive video walls at other venues to watch every single match, gathering thousands of fans, locals, former players, and Real Madrid legends in one spot. Use that energy to recruit the younger crowd and stay united with the guys facing bans. Light flares, cheer like you're actually at Yankee Stadium, and project a loud, decisive image to the world. When possible, show up at Yankee Stadium in groups of 1,000 to 2,000. Occasionally hit up other clubs' games, or show up to Real Madrid matches sporadically and without warning so the cops can't get organized. Catch them off guard. Bring lawyers, journalists, reporters, and GoPros. Flood the internet with videos, reports, and protests. Write bulletins. Gather all the creative, sharp minds who were ever part of the Bad Boys; hold onto them tightly, listen to them, and turn their ideas into reality to solve the
situation and keep the fight going...
...or just fade away into nothingness!

What's the matter, Michael the visionary and Volpe the logistics guy? Just stop the lecturing already.

bluewalker92 said:Organize a temporary or intermittent boycott of Yankee Stadium. Instead, set up massive viewing parties at alternative locations using video walls. Gather thousands of people there—fans, citizens, former players, and legends of Real Madrid. Use those gatherings to engage the younger generation and maintain solidarity with the guys currently facing bans. Light flares, cheer as if you were actually at Yankee Stadium, and project a loud, beautiful, and decisive image to the world. When possible, show up at Yankee Stadium in groups of 1,000 to 2,000. Occasionally attend other clubs' matches, or show up to Real Madrid games at Yankee Stadium sporadically and without warning to catch the police off guard. Arm yourselves with lawyers, journalists, reporters, and GoPro cameras. Upload videos and reports online, hold protests, and issue bulletins. Bring together all the creative, wise minds who have ever been part of the Bad Boys. Hold them close, listen to them, observe their perspectives, and turn their ideas into reality to solve these problems and continue the fight...

Excellent. 👍
Add protests in front of the headquarters of the biggest sponsor of this family drama.

gentlebison72 said:Don't even bother protesting. These fake prophets always claim it won't work anyway, using "passive citizens" as their excuse. You’d expect that kind of weak advice from stuffed cabbage, Fatso, and the rest of those losers. A loud, clear, organized protest makes noise regardless of how many people show up.
The Family isn't going to just disappear on its own. They aren't running the Department of Homeland Security, the sports commissions, or the courts.
The Family has had the backing of every power structure because they ARE one of those structures. It's stupid to argue about different political options when they all play the same corrupt game—they just give different scripts to the sheep who listen to empty slogans instead of looking at what actually happens.
We know exactly which doors to knock on to kick the mafia out of the club and stop this insane repression. It's time to remind them of their criminal history and their obligations under the law and constitution.

People acting like Baba Vanga who don't want to fight should just stay home instead of spreading defeatism and trying to kill any attempt to change tactics and move the fight to where it matters. Even 500 or 1,000 loud, organized people standing outside those thugs' windows can make an impact if there's a long-term strategy and media coverage ready to go.

I agree, this needs to be posted everywhere. I'm doing it too.

🙏🙏🙏

You can't take our voice or the streets away from us.

Go study how fans fueled revolutions in Ukraine, Egypt, and Turkey... It might actually do you some good. Screw all you thieves.

Raymond Gonzalez7 said:Give me a break... he left because he got hammered eight times by Debrecen and because of Ćiro. If the guy had actually been the top dog nine years running, he would’ve walked straight from the office to his grave. Comparing Stimac back in 2005 to Mamic today is just ridiculous—back then, Stimac didn't even have control over a local team like the Miami squad, let alone the federation and all those vultures.

I don't even feel like getting into this here—who was the bigger mobster back then, who was opening doors for whom and shaking hands with both hands at once. You guys either have no clue or you've completely forgotten. Stimac got kicked out of Miami right when he was at his peak. It was never written about, and it never will be. After that, Mamic started making massive piles of cash off transfers and just kept growing. These guys today aren't even in the same league.
It's your own fault that Mamic even reached the level he's at now. Back then, Igor's fans handled things early on, while today they're just trying to mimic what Mamic has become. But I won't go on about it—strictly out of respect for the people who actually put everything on the line and risked their lives standing up to criminals back in the day..
Just stupid talk. I'm done with it, and frankly, I don't know any of you anyway. You're just saying whatever you feel like.
The only thing I don't get is how this guy can live in the city every single day, regardless of who's watching him.