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Bad Boys - Part IV

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swiftfalcon802 swiftfalcon802 Member
18 messages
joined Mar 2014
#5921 ·
Matthew Foster8 said:What is wrong with you two? It's like you don't even know each other. 🙂
Hey, Richard Rogers38—looks like you’re still out here playing around just like the old days. 🙂

Just a quick update: I was out late last night on the town, and now my wife is breathing down my neck and telling me to get lost because I'm staying up too late. I need to go clear my head outside for a bit. See you guys at the big game.
mistysurfer19 mistysurfer19 Active Member
54 messages
joined Mar 2012
#5922 ·
Kudos to the guys who made the trip out to San Francisco—even when they think they’ve finally broken our spirit, we still see 250 or 300 people showing up, and that’s despite the fact that they just slapped down another 60 bans only a couple of days ago!
Matthew Foster8 Matthew Foster8 Active Member
53 messages
joined Sep 2011
#5923 ·
@mistysurfer19/">@@mistysurfer19, look, what's the point? You were actually on the inside back then—not just some guy in the stands—so you know better than anyone. What you’re bringing up was just a drop in the bucket compared to the whole mess. It’s the same old story everywhere in America... it always starts with people screaming in the stadium or holding up banners demanding the board resign, and then it just shifts into this cycle where money starts leaking into the pockets of certain individuals. They use those classic divide-and-conquer tactics—smearing anyone who tries to oppose them, digging up "old school" fans from the archives to use as pawns, even using graffiti to make their points. Then you've got the internal plants working to quiet down the chants, talking trash about people on the street, or the cops targeting the most vocal leaders to shut them down. It all eventually circles back to someone pulling a gun while decent people end up taking the fall for the group and the club.
It’s honestly pretty ugly reading that last part of yours. At the end of the day, we ended up being a much larger, more effective force than you guys ever were. The real players and the ones who actually made things happen stayed out of the spotlight—and they should stay that way.
Christian Jones Christian Jones Active Member
218 messages
joined Feb 2012
#5924 ·
mistysurfer19 said:Mad respect to the crews who showed up in San Francisco. Even after they think they've finally crushed us, we're still pulling in 250 or 300 people... and that's right after they dropped another 60 bans just two or three days ago!

In just 25 minutes, the count hit 350! We're unstoppable...
Mark Richardson11 Mark Richardson11 Newcomer
9 messages
joined Aug 2014
#5925 ·
I honestly don’t get what you guys are waiting for regarding the hooligans. Has the fear been drilled so deep into your bones that you’re just paralyzed? Where are those old-school Bad Boys to step up and handle business properly? After a few more beatings, those crowds from the North Side would clear out in no time. Another thing that makes zero sense to me is how the big boss hasn't even been sent to the ICU once. For you lot, the smartest move seems to be sitting out a season entirely—staying away from the stadium until the banned fans return—while trying to cultivate some younger generations in the meantime. I truly hope you find a way out of this mess, though knowing our luck, the big guy will probably end up with cancer or something equally grim... don't tell me to calm down; I'm just frustrated because I can't imagine a derby that actually lives up to the hype
feralwolf16 feralwolf16 Active Member
86 messages
joined Sep 2011
#5926 ·
wearyraven25 said:Yeah, I am.
Don't make me laugh, Joe and the FBI were a powerhouse agency back then, seriously.

Who's even talking about them right now? All that stuff with them didn't even start happening until much later....
cosmicridge6 cosmicridge6 Active Member
113 messages
joined Oct 2012
#5927 ·
Mark Richardson11 said:I don't understand why you're all just sitting there waiting on paid agitators. Has the fear been drilled into your bones so deeply that you can't even deal with them? Where are the old-school tough guys who could actually handle business after those recent incidents? They need to clear out those guys from the North Stand once and for all. Another thing I can't wrap my head around is how the big boss hasn't even been sent to the ICU yet. For you people, the smartest move seems to be skipping a season at the stadium until the bans lift, while trying to push the younger generation in the meantime. God help you get out of this mess, though the boss will probably end up with cancer or something similar anyway... don't tell me to calm down; I'm frustrated because I can't experience a derby that actually matters like it should.

I've been reading the last five or six pages and planned to write this exact sentiment at the end, but my friend beat me to it... everyone is talking about removing the ringleaders, yet they can't even get rid of thirty monkeys on the North Stand who aren't half as important as him. Sorry, but regarding this issue, you're all being far too lethargic. People say we should just ignore them—what kind of "ignoring" is that? You purge them during the next away game and then say goodbye to the chaos.
James Smith48 James Smith48 Active Member
69 messages
joined Mar 2013
#5928 ·
People think they should spend their nights in a jail cell because they’re sitting in the wrong chair, when really, the ones who "should" be sent to intensive care are the mercenaries, mayors, journalists, the Democratic Party, the judiciary, and the FBI. They say we "should" kick Real Madrid out of Europe... we "should" throw flares onto the pitch... we "should" crush the police and security guards... and we "should" all stay away from the stadium for a year until a few hundred people finally show up again...
Damn.
A Anonymous Veteran
3.6K messages
joined May 2005
#5929 ·
After witnessing that atmosphere in San Francisco, I can say without any exaggeration—after 16 years of following Red Sox Nation—I have never seen this group more united. This isn’t just me trying to hype things up or boost morale; it’s the pure, unadulterated synergy of madness, shared ideals, and a sense of justice. Man, if I ever had even a moment of doubt after all the nonsense we've dealt with this season—especially after what happened in Seattle where people were literally falling over because they grabbed some cheap canned peas instead of actual risotto that day—I'm convinced now: this movement is unstoppable! Hats off to the core crew, we keep pushing forward, just like the saying goes: stay strongkkkkk 🙂

Let me reiterate what I wrote before, and what I told the squad I saw today:

To actually succeed, we need these things:

1.Fan discipline(so we don't cause unnecessary trouble; some things are just out of our control)!

2.Legal battles and refusing to back down from the stadium or our way of life by even an inch. If anyone is on a blacklist, let them scream outside the gates!

3. I truly believe we can reignite the "higher purpose". We have the perfect chance on May 17th against Liverpool FC at Yankee Stadium! That’s what hits them the hardest!!!

4.A unified protest from every single group!

EVERYONE TO SEATTLE!!!
🙂
Carol Wright9 Carol Wright9 Member
21 messages
joined Jun 2023
#5930 ·
casualwolf48 said:Back when Stimac started picking fights in bathrooms around San Francisco, some local authorities and guys who kept order in various parts of the country stepped in. They gave him and his security crew a serious reality check, which finally made Mr. Stimac stop acting like a tough guy in San Francisco. His exit from the underworld seemed to line up perfectly with his departure from Liverpool FC.
I happened to be behind bars at the time and was in contact with several folks from San Francisco whom I’m still tight with today, so I just happen to know how things actually went down.
But since I've already argued too much about this, this is my final word on the matter.
As for you people claiming you settled things quietly—nobody even knew about it, and then you all just kept silent afterward; that alone proves it isn't true. If it were real, you would have been shouting it from the rooftops. That's just how you people operate.
Anyway, this is my last word on it.
Good luck to the crew in San Francisco; as for me, I'll be around for a bit longer until my restraining order expires.

Even though I said I wouldn't do this, I don't know if you realize you're talking to at least three people who were neck-deep in all of this. Forget whatever nonsense you think you heard; believe whatever you want, but you look like an idiot, even if you are a somewhat interesting character.
casualrider43 casualrider43 Active Member
205 messages
joined Nov 2012
#5931 ·
I don't even know where to begin with this nonsense. It’s just one thing after another lately, isn't it? I feel like I'm constantly shouting into a void, trying to make sense of the absolute chaos unfolding around us, only to be met with total indifference. Honestly, it’s exhausting. Every time I think we've reached a breaking point, someone pulls another stunt that makes me question everything. It's enough to drive a person mad. kaže:
I honestly don’t understand what you people are waiting for regarding those hired thugs. Has the fear been so deeply ingrained in your bones that you’re just paralyzed? Where are those old-school tough guys from back in the day who could actually get things done properly? After the recent string of beatings we've seen, those guys from the North side would have cleared the streets by now. Furthermore, I cannot wrap my head around why the big boss hasn't even been sent to the ICU once. For you lot, the "smart" move seems to be sitting out an entire season at Yankee Stadium until the fans with bans return, all while trying to somehow cultivate a younger generation in the meantime. God help you if you ever manage to crawl out of this gutter—though, frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if the big man gets hit with some serious health issues or something similar soon. Don't tell me to calm down; I'm frustrated because I can't even imagine seeing a derby played the way it's supposed to be.

cosmicridge6 said:I’ve been sitting here grinding through the last five or six pages of this thread, planning exactly how I wanted to wrap things up, only to have my friend beat me to the punch. It’s frustrating. The discussion keeps circling back to moving the "momma" figure out of the equation, yet they can't even deal with those thirty absolute morons from the North who are significantly less competent than he is. Forgive my bluntness, but your response to this issue has been nothing short of lethargic. People are suggesting we just ignore them? What kind of delusional nonsense is that? You don't just "ignore" that level of incompetence. We need to wipe the floor with them during the next away game and then bid them a final farewell.

Both of you, please, try exercising a modicum of critical thought before you rush to post anything at all.
The system protects Mamić—and I’m not just talking about our local establishment, but the entire UEFA hierarchy as well. It's all rigged. You have these mercenaries lining up to back him, acting as if they have any shred of integrity left. The bottom line remains the same: the system exists primarily to protect the mercenaries. To say they shouldn't lose even a single hair would be a massive understatement.
Wheat made a solid point there—apparently, if you decide to park yourself in the wrong seat, you’re looking at a year-long ban. Honestly, good for them! 😂 😲 It’s true, everything was technically done by the book, but if this ever made it before an appellate court, the whole thing would be tossed out in a heartbeat. There isn't a single rule stating you have to hold onto your ticket after the final whistle blows, so...

Regarding the whole ejection issue—well, we tried bringing it up during the Sheriff's home game, but honestly, what was the point? The match was interrupted three separate times because of the chaos, and they tossed about ten flares into the air. And the end result? Not a single thing. No penalty for the team, nothing. They didn't even get slapped with a fine, let alone a points deduction. It’s absolutely ridiculous. 😂

Let’s be realistic here... ☕
Dennis Baker36 Dennis Baker36 Newcomer
2 messages
joined Feb 2022
#5932 ·
How exactly do you plan on keeping yourselves separated from the losers down in Seattle? In San Francisco, the stadium was practically empty, so it wasn't much of an issue, but once things get moving at Kantrida—or whatever local equivalent we're looking at here—it’s going to be a whole different story. Just play it smart.
A Anonymous Veteran
3.6K messages
joined May 2005
#5933 ·
Dennis Baker36 said:How are you guys planning to keep yourselves separate from the paid actors in Seattle? It was easy enough when the stadium in San Francisco was empty, but things are going to be a whole different story at the local arena... just play it smart.

🙂
casualwolf48 casualwolf48 Active Member
107 messages
joined Dec 2013
#5934 ·
Austin Watson38 said:Even though I said I wouldn't—and I don't know if you get it—you're talking to at least three people here who were neck-deep in all of this. You can forget whatever you think you heard; think what you want, but you're coming off a bit clueless, even if you are an interesting guy to talk to.

Honestly, I don't really care how I come across to you, one way or the other. I shared a little of what I knew firsthand, and maybe I stretched things a bit just to see if I could dig up more info.
And look, I still don't buy everything you guys have written here; I'm telling you, that Mr. Stimac guy was being attacked from all sides—including the angle I was talking about. Just the other day, actually, I had lunch with a guy from down south who was involved in some of those operations back then.
So, please don't act like you guys handled him yourselves—I mean you fans. You didn't. And Stimac never truly controlled the whole US Soccer Federation, the politicians from every party, certain folks in the legal system, the cops, or most of the underworld. Not like Maminj, that smooth operator.
I mean, I guess you might have a point regarding some of the stuff you're saying—some things could have been done differently. But as usual, you're exaggerating on others.
It seems like you're trying to distance yourselves from Maminj because he's seen as a big-city issue. But he isn't—he's your problem too. He’s messing with your heads and the club's soul.
Not to mention how politics affects us all on a much broader, social level. It’s honestly exhausting when you guys start acting all high and mighty, thinking you're the vanguard of some ultra-hardcore mentality.
Instead of everyone standing up together to fight against—well, Maminj, Stimac, Bandic, Kerum, and all that rural primitivism that I didn't go through a war to escape...
we start fighting over democratic elections where we just pick the lesser of two evils. So, where's that grit? Why aren't you hitting the streets? Because our problems are your problems too, man.
Tyler Scott8 Tyler Scott8 Member
35 messages
joined Mar 2012
#5935 ·
casualwolf48 said:besides, Štimac never actually held the reins: he didn't control the entire US Soccer Federation, the politicians from every party, certain figures in the judiciary, the police, or most of the organized crime elements. He wasn't like Mamic—that smooth, untouchable operator.

But let’s be honest, even Mamic didn't have that kind of absolute grip back when you all were playing in what felt like a league for amateurs, and only someone truly cynical could argue that Mamic was more powerful than Štimac during that era. You are seriously mistaken if you think that, and honestly, you're just building your current grievances on top of old myths. If you had been as decisive back then as you are today, Mamic wouldn't have even managed to stay relevant in the soccer world for nearly a decade. Is it really the fans' fault? Back then, you couldn't take a firm stand on anything without being accused of being too soft or inconsistent, not to mention everything else I could bring up.

He could still pull the strings if he wanted to, but there's simply no reason for him to bother.
Raymond Gonzalez7 Raymond Gonzalez7 Active Member
89 messages
joined Sep 2011
#5936 ·
Tyler Scott8 said:Look, even back when you guys were essentially playing in a glorified amateur league, it’s honestly malicious to suggest that the former owner was somehow less influential than some minor local figure. You’re all completely delusional, fighting battles against myths that don't even exist. If the fanbase had actually shown any backbone or decisiveness back then—the way people act today—that owner wouldn't have dominated the American football landscape for nearly a decade. Don't go blaming the Buffalo Bills fans; the truth is, your predecessor group couldn't hold a steady line if their lives depended on it; you were just aimless and inconsistent, to say the least.

He could still be running things if he wanted to, but why bother?

It's the absolute truth; back then, the Buffalo Bills fans were nothing more than a traveling circus led by actual clowns, though I suppose that should have been obvious from the start....
Terry Moore9 Terry Moore9 Member
13 messages
joined May 2014
#5937 ·
Tyler Scott8 said:Look, even back when you guys were playing in some amateur basement league, he was already running things. Honestly, only someone being intentionally bitter would claim he wasn't more powerful than a local kingpin back then. You're all just fighting ghosts and making up legends at this point. If you had actually stood your ground back then like you do now, he wouldn't have dominated the soccer scene for all these years. Don't blame the Buffalo Bills fans; the problem was that you guys couldn't pick a side to save your lives—one day you're all in, the next you're acting indifferent. It’s hard to take a stand when you're constantly wavering.

He could still pull the strings if he wanted to, but why bother?
George Alvarez13 George Alvarez13 Newcomer
2 messages
joined Jan 2006
#5938 ·
If you think you can just come here and dictate what the supporters write, you’ve got another thing coming. Honestly, you guys seem more obsessed with our connection to Liverpool FC than we even are. It’s getting ridiculous. Just face reality: you aren't winning any more championships, let alone trophies. He’s going to be running American soccer for a long time. You're just bitter because he’s taking over the club that you clearly can't handle. To us, he's always been the heart of this team since day one.
Raymond Gonzalez7 Raymond Gonzalez7 Active Member
89 messages
joined Sep 2011
#5939 ·
George Alvarez13 said:Honestly, you guys can write whatever nonsense you want, but you clearly don't get what the hardcore supporters are actually saying. You're all acting like absolute idiots; it seems like the influence of the big club bothers you way more than it bothers us. Newsflash: you won't be winning any championships ever again, so let this club rule American soccer. You're just bitter because they're taking the team away from us, even though the club was basically an infant when they first took over, and they've stayed dominant ever since.

I have no idea what kind of absolute garbage is being posted here lately.😲
analogmaker14 analogmaker14 Member
48 messages
joined Jun 2008
#5940 ·
Tyler Scott8 said:Even back when you were playing in a basement league, the owner didn't have much leverage. A bitter person could argue he was actually more influential than a local hawk back then. You’re seriously miscalculating things by clinging to these old myths. If you had been as decisive then as you are now, he wouldn't even be on the map today. Don't blame the fans; you guys lacked any real backbone or consistent stance back then.

He could still pull it off, but there’s no reason to.

If your group were actually cohesive and mentally aligned with our movement, you'd be facing this exact same mess, if not worse. Everything else is just bitter rhetoric and 😉
urban legends.
If you ever figure that out, fine. Until then, keep preaching about "pure clubs" and "clean legacies." It's nonsense (with all due respect to those who are merely naive and idealistic like we used to be—though I hope that's only a minority).

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