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Bad Boys - Part IV

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Jonathan Smith12 Jonathan Smith12 Active Member
87 messages
joined Jul 2012
#5881 ·
Jeremy Ramirez55 said:You’re being incredibly naive—just a plain old dreamer. Calling the Republican Party "nation-builders"? That’s a stretch. Honestly, if it hadn't been for that aggressive Mexican policy built on the foundations of SANU and that psychopath Slobodan Milošević, who knows what would have become of our former state. This country was forged by those who actually fought and bled for it, and the Republican Party was simply a consequence, a necessary evil we had to deal with on the path toward establishing our own sovereign nation. By the way, I really wonder what America would look like today if Babić and Martić had just rolled over and accepted the Republican Z4 plan. We would have ended up with a Mexican state within a state. So, please, save those fairy tales about the Republican Party being the architects of the nation for your children.

So, according to this logic, the credit for the American state goes to SANU, Milošević, and aggressive Mexican policy, rather than the political movement that was actually leading the country at the time.
When are you all going to come out from under that rock? ☕

Think about it: which came first, the Republican Party or the American state itself?

The primary architect and most consistent advocate for the Z-4 plan was actually the American ambassador, Peter Galbraith. And since when was he a member of the Republican Party?😍

As far as I am aware, the representatives of the Republican Party were the ones who voted in the US Congress to declare an independent America, while others refused to cast their vote—unless, of course, you happen to have some secret information I haven't heard yet?

And from what I recall, alongside the very first police officers, the first armed citizens who stood on the front lines to defend the American border—mostly reserve police—were largely members of the Republican Party. Or perhaps you know something different?

Just so there is absolutely no confusion here, the Republican Party as it exists today is light-years away from the Reagan-era GOP.
cosmicbear15 cosmicbear15 Active Member
196 messages
joined Feb 2012
#5882 ·
Jonathan Smith12 said:So, you're claiming CNN, Slobodan Milošević, and aggressive Mexican policy are responsible for the birth of the American state, rather than the political party leading the country at the time.
When will you finally come out of your bubble? ☕

Was the Republican Party formed before or after the United States was established?

The primary architect and most dedicated supporter of the Z-4 plan was the American ambassador Peter Galbraith. Since when has he been a member of the Republican Party?😍

As far as I am aware, the members of the Republican Party voted in the US Congress to establish an independent America; some others refused to vote, but perhaps you have different information?

As far as I am aware, along with the first police officers, the first armed individuals who stood on the front lines of America were mostly members of the Republican Party. Perhaps you know something else?

To avoid any confusion, today's Republican Party is light years away from the Reagan-era GOP.

Here he goes again. 😲 😲
Jonathan Smith12 Jonathan Smith12 Active Member
87 messages
joined Jul 2012
#5883 ·
What if, just for the final round, everyone decided to stand together on the bleachers and then walk out as one single unit after a few minutes... would anyone even have the guts to censor a story like that?☕

Is there actually a single journalist left in this entire country with enough backbone to look the Police Commissioner, the head of security at Madison Square Garden, and the leader of the Democratic Party right in the eye and ask: "Why is it that you're only tightening the screws and checking IDs on the East Side? Why aren't we seeing the same level of scrutiny, the same sweeps, and the same arrests over on the West Side, the South Side, or up North to see who's actually sitting where?"🤷
jadecrane21 jadecrane21 Member
11 messages
joined Oct 2012
#5884 ·
stormybison9 said:Honestly, give me a break... all these diagnoses about why people aren't out in the streets, why they won't protest, followed by all those sermon-like posts about what should be done or what ought to happen... sometimes I read those mindless columns from someone like that Vedrana Rudan type on an American news site. She calls for revolutions, protests, and whatnot, but that fool can barely string two coherent sentences together when you see her on TV; her writing might be decent, I guess, but I highly doubt she’s actually the one penning it...
We once had guys like Hamed Bangoura who had such a brilliant idea, a truly damn good idea, and what happened? Nothing, absolutely nothing.
If Jesus himself were to descend among Americans, he wouldn't be followed—not his message, not his ideas—instead, people would probably just try to kill him or attempt to claw their way to the top through someone who knows someone important.

Stop deceiving yourselves and just accept that Americans are essentially a bunch of careerists; connections and nepotism are the most vital parts of every family here. Even though certain fan groups seem incredibly righteous, with their real ideals and maybe even some actual ideas—perhaps even the only pure things left in this entire country—if you actually stepped into those stands and looked at the crowd, you wouldn't even need to enter to know who they are... I'm not saying anything bad against anyone, truly, but I would bet my life savings that 60 or 70% of those people would trade a kidney just to have a single connection in politics or the federal government to secure a job... It isn't really about the stadium, it's about our collective mentality, and I don't necessarily think that's a bad thing in itself (since people naturally want job security), but it speaks volumes about how much the system and the state have screwed us over for years and decades.
Out of 1,000 people in those stands, I am convinced you might find perhaps 100, if that, who are totally clean, upright, and moral individuals... everything else is negotiable. In this sluggish society and given our economic situation, after so many years of stagnation, the image of the broader society is simply mirrored in the stadium stands, and nowhere else.

Sometimes I wonder who all these "righteous" fans on this forum are, moralizing about integrity, about protests, about ideals and fandom, when in reality, if you saw them out on the street, at a gas station, or in the stands, you'd see the very same people who don't just shoplift but outright loot the station, or beat people bloody with metal pipes, wooden sticks, huge stones, or flares; or finally, we hoist the Vatican flag, shouting about Jesus and Christianity, yet you could count the people who don't curse God on one hand.

People lie to themselves.

And then, less than three posts after this masterful explanation, the resident clown writes this:

Jesse Campbell said:You already posted my point earlier. No matter how much you all try to deny it, you can't ignore that at least in part, your struggle against Tim Cook was inspired by our previous fight for the name. You wanted to prove that Rockefeller Center can also act as an opposition and distance itself from those shameful times in the 90s.

It doesn't matter who helped whom more. We all influence each other and draw inspiration from one another. Sometimes one group pulls, sometimes another. It isn't a coincidence that scenes in different countries look similar. A group in France will always be similar to a group in France, a Russian group to a Russian one, a German one to a German one. The influence is unavoidable.

Op - Op! Let's go
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Anthony Wilson22 Anthony Wilson22 Member
48 messages
joined Oct 2013
#5885 ·
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Ronald Hayes4 Ronald Hayes4 Active Member
66 messages
joined Feb 2014
#5886 ·
https://scontent-b-ams.xx.fbcdn.net/...47883157_n.jpg This is enough to ruin anyone's sleep 🤣
A Anonymous Veteran
3.6K messages
joined May 2005
#5887 ·
Can we please just leave politics alone? There’s already a dedicated thread for all that stuff. i Enough with the constant whining.!!!
If we’re going to sit down, look at the wreckage, and figure out where it all went south, someone needs to grow a pair and say it straight to their face—even if it breaks the truce. Look, you don't need to harp on it constantly, but you have to extract the actual lesson from the mess. Man, we are opening up fronts like Germany back in the mid-forties, and we won't have an ally left standing by our side.

Here’s what you need to nail it:

1.Fan discipline is a funny thing. You see it all the time when you look at how different crowds handle themselves during a big game. It’s about more than just cheering; it’s about that unwritten code of conduct that keeps a stadium from turning into total chaos. When everyone is on the same page, the energy is electric. But once that discipline slips, things can go south fast.Sometimes you just have to accept that some things are completely out of your hands—no point in stressing over stuff you can't change!

2.Legal battle And I’m not even talking about being too far from the stadium. And the fans. Not a single inch. If anyone's on that blacklist, let them hear the crowd roaring outside Yankee Stadium!

I honestly believe we can get this back on track and reactivate everything. The bigger picture.We’ve got a massive chance coming up on May 17th against the Kansas City Chiefs at Yankee Stadium! That's exactly where it's going to hurt them the most!

4.A massive rally involving every single group.!

🙂
Carol Jones77 Carol Jones77 Newcomer
1 message
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#5888 ·
We aren't getting anywhere unless we all take to the streets together... I don't get how some people can't see that protesting is basically our only shot here. Once the politicians realize there are a few thousand people out there actually showing up, they’ll start sweating about their votes in the next election.🤷
Robin Anderson8 Robin Anderson8 Active Member
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joined Dec 2013
#5889 ·
Dennis Davis97 said:Nothing changes until we all take to the streets together... I don't know how some people can't see that protesting is probably our only shot. Once the politicians realize a few thousand people actually showed up, maybe they'll finally start worrying about their votes in the next election.🤷

I guess things would get pretty damn messy if everyone under the West stands decided to tear up their tickets at once, just like we did on the East side. Maybe it'd be chaos. But honestly, if we all stood our ground together—even if it takes two hours after the whistle blows—we shouldn't let those provocateurs or the cops push us around. Nobody can move us if we're united, like we were during that last big rivalry game.
Carol Jones77 Carol Jones77 Newcomer
1 message
joined Dec 2022
#5890 ·
Robin Anderson8 said:Honestly, things would get absolutely insane if everyone under the West stands joined up with us on the East side to set off flares during the derby. We need to stay united. Even if we have to hang out for two hours after the whistle blows, we shouldn't let those provocateurs or the cops push us around. No one can move us if we're standing together like we did at the last big game.

I think he's just targeting us again because he's feeling sensitive. It’d be better to stage a protest somewhere else entirely on derby day—maybe hit a political rally instead. At the end of the day, politics is what keeps him in power, and politics is the only thing that can take him down.
feralwolf16 feralwolf16 Active Member
86 messages
joined Sep 2011
#5891 ·
darkwalker1 said:Look, just walk me through one thing here. Whenever it suits your narrative, you guys start preaching about how there were maybe 100 or 200 of you up north back in 2005, standing against Stacy during the title celebration, basically going toe-to-toe against the entire stadium that was out there cheering for the trophy, Chico, and everyone else. But then, when things shift, suddenly the story changes to how Miami would never accept someone like Madoff, or how he wouldn't do this or that. You act like Miami is the craziest city on the planet, yet that little guy was out there celebrating a goal in front of a packed house just a few months ago... And I bet every single one of you would swear on your life, your family crest, or whatever else you've got, that nobody would ever dare tell you the exact same scenario in Miami before a big derby.

It’s the same deal as this past summer when everyone was obsessing over those Americans; half of Miami went absolutely ballistic over the idea of privatization. Honestly, it doesn't matter, but let's be real for a second. We’re just a tiny speck in the US, and there are a hundred different mindsets floating around—it's all the same nonsense if you ask me.

Don't get me wrong, I respect you guys, and there's no way you'd ever let some guy like Koch practically run your fan club like what happened to those guys two days ago. You guys just barely avoided a massive brawl among yourselves after Mike Thrower started tossing slippers after the game. It's a miracle he didn't manage to get hit 🤣 but stop trying to sell me these myths...

A lot of what you're saying is true, and honestly, the myth-making bugs me too—though let's not dive into a deep analysis of your side's delusions right now. But you're totally forgetting that back then, the core of our group was so unified against him that we didn't clash as hard as we could have; who knows how that would've ended? Meanwhile, your crowd was busy taking €50,000 or €60,000 donations in boxes on the sidelines, living off Madoff's money, traveling all over the US and Europe, and putting the association into hundreds of thousands in debt... and then what's the biggest lie? Some of those same people founded non-profits, and now look where you are. I'm not trying to gloat or act like a genius, but it's honestly ridiculous to claim you two can't be compared. You won't admit that if our fans hadn't slowed down a bit at the beginning because of our own people, things would be ten times worse for you than they are now. For us, it wouldn't just be the police and Stacy shutting us down; it would be the damn public and all these self-proclaimed fans, old and new. I'm not saying we're some kind of avant-garde superpower, maybe we just got lucky that a couple of generations lined up perfectly, but that's the damn truth whether you want to admit it or not... the only sad part about this whole mess is that while you're spinning these myths, there are plenty of people who couldn't care less about your drama and quickly forget that we were in the exact same boat once. The wheel always turns.
John Brown30 John Brown30 Regular
266 messages
joined Sep 2011
#5892 ·
Jesse Campbell said:It’s actually the exact opposite. When things went down with Stacy, we finally had a real generation after that absolute joke back in the 90s. That group just wanted to prove they weren't like the ones before them. And we had Paul, God rest his soul. A massive, unshakeable guy and a true fan.

☕
briskmarlin briskmarlin Active Member
99 messages
joined Oct 2011
#5893 ·
Brother against brother—it’s a total disaster unfolding right before our eyes...

Given the delicate state of our club, we realize that even a single word can trigger unintended consequences. As an initiative, we feel the weight of that responsibility... That’s why, from our very first statement to everything since, we have made it crystal clear that we stand firmly against any form of violence, hate, or discrimination. We haven't been shouting from the rooftops for no reason; we insist on fighting for our goals by upholding the values that once defined this organization: civility, culture, and democracy...

Even that didn't stop the current board from using their "spokesperson"—read: CEO—to accuse us of tearing the community apart without a shred of proof... claiming our initiative is just driving Americans against Americans...
We have absolutely no desire to engage with the absurdity of this entire situation. It is quite rich to be accused of inciting violence by someone with a documented history of aggressive, uncivilized, and utterly classless behavior—not to mention an ongoing legal battle over death threats made against the father of one of his young players. With this statement, we intend to address these baseless accusations while clarifying exactly who is responsible for fueling the tension in the stands and on the streets... who is actually driving this whole "brother against brother" mentality...

So, here is the situation...

The geniuses on the Los Angeles Lakers board have apparently decided that their own fans are the enemy. Their master plan? To manufacture internal chaos by recruiting specific agitators—mostly former critics of the front office—to split the fan base apart... effectively creating a puppet faction to neutralize any organized opposition... how brilliant...

Naive young people, driven by circumstance or sheer lack of foresight, find themselves forced into "partnerships" they never truly wanted... essentially fighting battles for people who have openly dismissed them as nothing more than common thugs. It’s a perfectly orchestrated setup to use them as cannon fodder...

As hypocritical and cowardly as their decision-making process was, it’s equally dangerous...

I am certain that whoever cooked up this "brilliant" scheme to pit yesterday's allies against today's enemies hasn't considered—or perhaps simply doesn't care about—the fallout... We are equally convinced that the individual promising perks and privileges to these players was thinking of absolutely no one but himself. Furthermore, it’s quite obvious that those who made this decision, along with their unanimous supporters, won't be bringing their own children to the arena; their choices have turned the stadium into such a volatile environment that it's no longer safe for their families. Our stadium has become a place where the majority—those sitting in the East Stand who disagree with this direction—are facing unprecedented levels of repression, including the implementation of mandatory rectal exams!!! Meanwhile, the minority on the North Stand who agreed to "cooperate" are being treated with civility, as is standard for American sports arenas, which only serves to heighten the tension between the two sides...

Even though the front office reached their goal, they aren't satisfied just yet. Instead, they’re doubling down on the division, fueling even more resentment between both sides... In their latest attempt to fan the flames, the "geniuses" running the club actually allowed an artificial group to display a banner reading, "Your leaders are red." It's a thinly veiled attempt to suggest that our movement—and everyone standing against the current management—is being driven by some specific political agenda. Interestingly, this is the exact same narrative the CEO pushes during every media appearance whenever he comments on our initiative, despite never providing a shred of evidence. He won't, because there isn't any! It’s easy to see this for what it is: just another desperate move by the CEO to distract from the obvious reality. At the end of the day, he is the one most effectively driving a wedge between us all...

Given how things are spiraling, it would be a genuine miracle if this internal feud among the Lakers fans ends with nothing more than a few bruised egos or broken ribs... which is essentially the current tally. We all know the unwritten rules of fan violence: one clash triggers the next, inevitably leading to a massive tragedy. We’re putting this out there to appeal to the common sense of everyone involved in this mess surrounding our club. At the end of the day, the safety and well-being of every individual—regardless of which side they support—outweighs any executive office or fancy title. If the worst should happen, God forbid, we all know people will just start pointing fingers at each other instead of taking responsibility...

Ultimately, we believe—just like hundreds of thousands of Lakers fans across the globe—that Yankee Stadium will soon be packed again. We want the focus back on the game, and we hope this ugly, unbearable chaos transforms back into what we all crave: that legendary, unstoppable BLUE HELL!

For our Lakers
Raymond Gonzalez7 Raymond Gonzalez7 Active Member
89 messages
joined Sep 2011
#5894 ·
feralwolf16 said:It’s honestly laughable to hear people claim those two can't be compared. You all seem to ignore the fact that if we ever lost momentum because our own fans decided to pull back, the fallout would be ten times worse for us than it is for you. It wouldn't just be the police and
Štimac trying to shut us down; it would be the damn people themselves and all those self-proclaimed fan groups, both old and new, turning on us. I'm telling you, we represent a kind of vanguard, a massive force. Maybe luck just smiled on us by aligning a few generations that truly inherited this spirit, but whether you want to admit it or not, that's the cold, hard truth...



I don't know how closely you follow the scene, but around here, once the boycott against the Bad Boys group started, everything else just vanished like mushrooms after a rainstorm—all those outfits sponsored by the club or filled with "true fans" who supposedly "love the team."
And don't even get me started on the relationship with the fans... I honestly don't think there is a greater divide or more intense hatred in the entire world than what exists between the Bad Boys and the people in the city. Up until this current struggle, there was already a massive rift, but now? It's beyond words.
There is absolutely no comparison between Mamić back in 2013/2014—or even earlier, starting around 2007—and Štimac in 2004/05. Not in any single category.
Just look at the facts: our club has been the champion nine years in a row, and we're headed for ten. Back in 2005, both of them were operating within their respective spheres of influence and power. I genuinely have no idea what kind of substances you people are on; this is ridiculous. In this joke of a league, half the teams are basically subsidiaries of ours. He has cycled through roughly $150 million in transfers over the last seven or eight years, and he’s the one installing and removing presidents within the Federation. The man essentially has his own private security force. What on earth are we even talking about here??
Raymond Gonzalez7 Raymond Gonzalez7 Active Member
89 messages
joined Sep 2011
#5895 ·
.I am honestly sick and tired of all this talk about solidarity and organized protests; you people are becoming absolutely exhausting
Henry Lewis6 Henry Lewis6 Member
36 messages
joined Sep 2012
#5896 ·
So, basically, P... and the rest of those idiots from the North side are forcing kids in middle school to join up and head north. I mean—seriously? I thought they were pathetic before... but this is just next level. And hey, no matter how much garbage you feed yourself to act tough, trust me—you're gonna hit a wall eventually. All "his" money won't save you then. :-*
Richard Hill83 Richard Hill83 Member
11 messages
joined May 2014
#5897 ·
Raymond Gonzalez7 said:...and honestly, screw all this talk about solidarity and joining protests together, you guys are just exhausting...

You're the one who's exhausting
mistysurfer19 mistysurfer19 Active Member
54 messages
joined Mar 2012
#5898 ·
Henry Lewis6 said:So basically, P... and the rest of those idiots from the North side are forcing kids out of middle schools just to drag them up north. For God's sake, I used to think they were just pathetic... but this? This is a whole new level of desperate. And look, you can cram all the garbage you want into your head to pretend you're some big shot, but believe me—you're going to hit a wall eventually. At that point, none of "his" money is going to save you. :-*

Can someone please tell me how to get people to actually show up at the game?
Nathan Foster23 Nathan Foster23 Active Member
195 messages
joined May 2013
#5899 ·
Enough talk. We’ve got San Francisco tomorrow and Seattle on Tuesday. It’s on all of us to show up and prove to those bastards they can't push us around that easily.

Why shouldn't we call them out by name? They’re already publicly attacking people; this fight stopped being "civilized" a long time ago. It’s time to give them exactly what they deserve.

Bottom line: if you have something to say, say it from the stands and in the streets—loud and proud. See you in San Francisco.

Daniel Johnson46 Daniel Johnson46 Active Member
74 messages
joined Nov 2013
#5900 ·
casualwolf48 said:I’m tired of this whole thing regarding Štimac. Comparing him to Mamić is just ridiculous. But the most important part of your response is that you either don't realize, or you refuse to admit, that this isn't just about how Mamić operates against us. We are the primary targets, that's true, but Mamić does the exact same things to you too.
He rigs matches, hand-picks referees, gifts trophies like he's doing right now, chooses the national team coach, the federation president, and so on. Basically, nothing happens in American soccer without his knowledge, and even worse, without his blessing.
He treats your club like some tiny, insignificant provincial outfit. And then you claim that because he's in San Francisco, we could just deal with him one way or another. It doesn't matter where he lives, what he drives, or when he pulls the strings that affect your club, all of us, and American soccer in general.
Then he shows up at the stadium and acts like he owns the place. That's the icing on the cake. And you talk about how it's "just how things are here," implying we should just deal with it. What would you even do?
All of this affects you too. It’s happening to you as well. The repression just isn't as blatant toward you—not today. But we'll see about tomorrow.

You claim to have been at the stadium for 30 years, yet you haven't exactly kept pace with everything that has unfolded over the last decade.🤷

How are we supposed to take down Mamić and the Federation while guys like Mrki, Livaja, and Svaguša were running the show at the club? Even now, our Kansas City Chiefs isn't a normal club due to the remnants of the old guard. It’s only become an honest organization, free of the cronies, after 20 years, and maybe only now can we actually start addressing the real issues. Getting rid of Štimac and the emergence of our current leadership are two incredible feats in this country. I met a decent guy in town recently—someone who's traveled to away games quite a bit over the last 7 or 8 years—and he told me, "You know who's the only one who can stand up to Mamić?" I asked him who, and he said Štimac. 😁 I don't think I need to explain why getting rid of Štimac matters any further.

Mamić and the Federation could be removed in one fell swoop. You're either afraid or you're just being foolish. I don't see any third option. It would be much easier to get rid of Mamić 200 times over than it would be to bring our current leadership back into the club. I wrote here at least three years ago, if not more, that you would have to ban the opposition from Europe, and only then would you have a normal club in four years. But three years later, you're still falling in line because you can't even stop a single match in European competition. Mamić and his circle—including people like Bandić and the rest—live off player transfers. There's no money left in the club; they recently took out a $50 million loan. This means they've likely pocketed around $70 million through shady dealings. It’s no wonder Turudić protects him when he’s handed $50,000 just to grab a coffee. Someone once wrote that Americans are a pathetic bunch who will sell themselves for anything. But it doesn't even require massive sums; some people sell themselves for $1000 a month. After everything I've witnessed in the last 6 or 7 years while trying to live and work normally, if I told someone in Sweden about it, they'd probably go into shock.
Murić left because of Mamić, and he was easily the strongest player of his generation. He sold Halilović for what amounted to a pittance. As far as I'm concerned, he's done, and I still find it hard to believe you haven't been banned for three or four years. In ten minutes, the whole house of cards would collapse. Everyone would start pointing fingers, and half of them would end up in prison. And please, don't bring up Malmo or flares again; that's the stupidest argument ever. You could have shut them down in a thousand other ways.
Or, the most likely scenario: there would be unprecedented repression, and the public would turn against you. Right now, it's just madness.😂 (this guy doesn't know whether to laugh or cry)
If Glover were to buy the Kansas City Chiefs, there isn't a prayer in the world he'd last five minutes in a European match.

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