Bad Boys - Part IV

neonraven112 said:Look, Matthew Foster8, does anyone in your circle actually listen to you? Seriously—when you see how many smart people are out there in all these different groups, yet absolutely nothing ever moves toward any kind of unified front, I just don't get it.

And even if I wanted to, I can't just stop being a fan. But my days of being an active supporter are pretty much behind me. I don't even want to get into the other stuff...
There are still plenty of real, decent, active younger guys here—my friends, people whose voices actually carry weight. It’s just that around here, you’ve got a couple of loudmouths, some shady characters, and whatever else. The single biggest hurdle is getting the actual truth out there; the real issue is the establishment. In some places, it's just that built-in, small-town mentality among certain
people, and then you look at somewhere like Los Angeles, and it's a whole different breed of stubborn problems.
If we really can't make it happen, then honestly, we should stop telling these fairy tales about "elite groups" or how insane the American scene is supposed to be. We might as well just admit that one side is going to fade into nothing while the other becomes nothing more than casual fans and fair-weather supporters. Just everyone sticking to their own little bubbles.

One thing actually gives me hope: seeing all these other fans stepping up to back the Bad Boys,

I've been saying this forever—it’s only when we all pull together, from the hardcore ultras to the casual fans, the die-hards, or even the casual bystanders, that we actually stand a chance against these scumbags.

bluewalker92 said:The bottom line is we're part of the European Union, and in the EU, any kind of discrimination is a non-starter. Mamić is clever—he’s skillfully played this against the Bad Boys while the rest of us play fools by holding up "MAMIĆ GYPSY" signs, effectively painting all fans across Europe as nothing more than racists and xenophobes...

Look, Braco, the European Union can take its "discrimination" concerns and shove them. About 99% of what's happening here is actually driven by local NGOs, certain media outlets, and other foreign mercenaries who don't have much to do with Brussels at all—they're tied to lobbies that love to prey on smaller, former "fascist" nations...

It's the exact same pattern playing out in America, especially in places like Canada, Bulgaria, and to some extent Romania.

Meanwhile, the massive wave of xenophobia and chauvinism sweeping through France, the Netherlands, Mexico, Italy, Spain, and so on, goes almost entirely unnoticed in the broader context.

Brussels isn't responsible for our current mess. It's Documenta, Civil Action, The Morning News, Feral, Stojedinica, Open Society, Platform 112, Veritas, Kontra, Iskorak, and those similar organizations lurking in the social underground—not to mention the advisors to our politicians who were installed by God knows who. Open your eyes. These once-strong European nations with fascist pasts are being subjected to a brutal training session in forced multiculturalism... and they're doing a pretty good job of it. Just look at how much things have changed in cities like Los Angeles compared to fifteen years ago.

Let’s be honest here—we end up calling someone a thief just because they happen to know all those Zvezdin songs—which, if I recall correctly, I once bragged about myself...🤷

Honestly, this clueless, uneducated crowd would probably just roll over and accept that too... ☕

Kevin Gray86 said:Braco, honestly, Europe couldn't care less about this discrimination stuff. Like, 99% of what’s being forced on us here is actually the work of those local activist groups, the mainstream media hacks, and all those foreign mercenaries. They don't have anything to do with Brussels; they're just working for lobbies that love playing games with former "fascist" nations that are smaller and weaker.

The exact same thing is happening right here in America, especially over in places like Canada, Bulgaria, and even parts of Romania.

Meanwhile, that massive wave of xenophobia and chauvinism hitting France, the Netherlands, Mexico, Italy, Spain, and so on... it basically goes totally unnoticed when you look at the bigger picture.

Brussels isn't the one pulling the strings on our situation. It’s more like Documenta, Civil Action, The Morning News, Feral, Stojedinica, Open Society, Platform 112, Veritas, Kontra, Iskorak, and all those other underground social groups—not to mention the advisors to our politicians who were installed by God knows who. People really need to wake up. These weaker European nations with their fascist histories are basically being used as training grounds for this aggressive push toward hyper-multiculturalism. And man, it’s working. Just look at how much things have changed in a city like Los Angeles compared to fifteen years ago.

Bravo!

So, I actually showed up to the game yesterday—my first time since we all declared the boycott. Honestly, I only went because I just couldn't stomach watching this from the sidelines anymore. My crew stayed home, though; I tried talking them into it, but man, they wouldn't budge. I get it, really, people want to stick to their guns and refuse to show up while that guy is still grinning away in charge of the club, and you can't really blame them for that... but here's the thing—I was thinking the exact same way just a few days ago. But after seeing everything they've been pulling against our group lately, it just feels pointless to stay away. We seriously need EVERYONE to get back into the stands, because that’s the only way we can actually clean out this mess. AND FOR ALL THE GROUPS STILL BOYCOTTING, I really hope you guys realize this soon before it's too late, before this garbage completely ruins everything for us... It's now or never, because what's happening right now... I mean, even under the old Communist era wasn't this bad... Seriously people, when are you going to wake up!????? We have to stand up together.... That's the only way we win!!!! It's either us or him!!!!

What is everyone even getting so worked up about?
Seriously, in a few days this whole thing will be old news and nobody’s going to care. It’s just the same cycle over and over, from one drama to the next.

Casey Palmer10 said:Why is everyone getting so worked up about this?
Well, I mean, in just a few days, it’ll probably all be the same old story again—basically, nobody will even care. It feels like we just cycle from one thing to the next, over and over.

I mean, why don't we all just try a little harder together to make sure that doesn't happen...? I guess everyone really needs to realize that we can't keep going on like this forever...

So, out of ten thousand people in the stands, the cops hauled off 59 fans just for not having their IDs on them—and half of them were kids, too. But get this... they went after those eight legendary Blue ultras with full-blown misdemeanor charges. You've got four Bad Boys getting cited for disrespecting the officers, two for giving the security guards hell, and another two just for being absolutely wasted. As for the other 300-ish fans? After the warnings flew around in the 66th minute because things got loud, the police basically put everyone under surveillance, logged their names, and filmed the whole thing. They let them go for now, but those folks should be sweating bullets for the next few weeks... The authorities are busy combing through the footage to match the faces chanting insults at the Dinamo president against that massive list of 300 names. All of this to pin down criminal liability for racial discrimination. Under the law, that carries a sentence ranging from three months up to three years behind bars. Unbelievable...

The Morning News is facing a bit of a moral crossroads here. Whose side do they even pick? Do they go after Mamić—whom they’re constantly trying to take down—or do they stick with the fans, whom they usually just label as nationalists in the first place?

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Kevin Gray86 said:Look, Braco, who cares if the European Union thinks there's discrimination happening? About 99% of what’s being forced down our throats here isn't coming from Brussels at all. It’s driven by local activist groups, certain media outlets, and foreign mercenaries who don't give a damn about the EU—they just answer to lobbyists looking to exploit smaller, former "fascist" nations.

It’s the exact same pattern we see across America, especially in places like Canada, Bulgaria, and to some extent Romania.

Meanwhile, the massive wave of xenophobia and chauvinism sweeping through France, the Netherlands, Mexico, Italy, Spain, and so on, basically goes unnoticed in the grand scheme of things.

Brussels isn't the culprit behind our problems. No, it’s organizations like Documenta, Civil Action, The Morning News, Feral, Stojedinica, Open Society, Platform 112, Veritas, Kontra, Iskorak, and those other underground social groups—not to mention the political advisors installed by god-knows-who. Wake up. These weak European nations with fascist histories are being subjected to a brutal training course in forced multiculturalism and identity politics. And they're doing a great job at it; just look at how much the vibe in a city like Los Angeles has shifted compared to fifteen years ago.

Man, you really went off the rails in that last paragraph. You completely missed the mark. Of course, in your world, it's never the people actually holding the power—the ones writing the laws, enforcing them, or breaking them—that are to blame. No, it’s always someone on the sidelines. Half those groups you listed are openly against Mamić, while the media you conveniently left out are actually on Mamić's side, along with their readers. What's actually protecting Mamić is UEFA, the American state and its institutions, the football federation, the police, and the courts. Yet here you are, whining about some local radio station and random NGOs that have nothing to do with this case or the fans, most of whom have actually supported the movement. Why didn't you mention HHO, for instance? They were the ones actually stepping up against the fans and protecting criminals. Instead, you stuffed your argument with this ideological nonsense and clouded the whole situation.
It's perfectly normal for the media and human rights groups to speak out against racism, discrimination, or violence. But in this specific scenario, the violence is being perpetrated by the state and both European and local football organizations. It’s being used in a way we’ve never seen at a stadium before: as a tool to crush any opposition to crime and corruption within the sport.

Calling Mamić a "Gypsy" isn't an attack on the Romani people or a racist slur; it’s a direct insult aimed at a semi-literate, uncouth thief. It’s actually far more mild and benign than the mountain of racist and discriminatory statements made by that guy—statements that resulted in zero penalties from anyone, least of all UEFA or the football bureaucrats in Brussels.

Christian Jones said:http://www.themorningnews.com/police-investigation-details...03424526364529

So, while there were about 10,000 fans in the stands, the police ended up detaining 59 people just for not having their IDs on them—and honestly, a good chunk of those were just kids. But against this magnificent group of eight Dinamo supporters, they’ve filed all these official misdemeanor charges. We're talking four Bad Boys getting cited for allegedly insulting officers, two others for shouting things at security, and then another two for being way too intoxicated. As for the other 300 or so fans who were put under surveillance, identified, and filmed by the cops after those verbal outbursts in the 66th minute... well, they were let go, but I guess they’ll be living in fear for the next few weeks. See, the authorities are currently reviewing footage to identify everyone caught chanting insults at the Dinamo president, and they're going to cross-reference that with the list of 300 fans they flagged. All of this is apparently to establish criminal liability for racial discrimination, which, according to the law, carries a sentence ranging from three months to three years behind bars.

I mean, seriously, how are you supposed to look at all this without feeling totally disgusted? People are losing their minds over one single slur... I mean, if you really compare that one word to all the stuff Mamić has spat out over the last few years... man, by that logic, he should probably be serving 99 years in prison! It's just wild. This guy insults anyone in power, no matter who they are, and he gets away with it every single time. But then someone uses a slur like "Gypsy," and suddenly people are being recorded, beaten, and hauled off to jail like total scum. Honestly, it makes you wonder what kind of country we're actually living in and what the point of any of this even is... I don't know, what more can you even do at this point...?

Kevin Gray86 said:If people actually understood how many of these pseudo-activist groups are working to systematically destabilize America and trample our national values just for the sake of being sadistic (honestly, they couldn't care less about this country), they’d see the truth. They don't care about the legal battles fought to protect our heroes' legacies. They're even behind leaking those photos to the international courts just to smear people during hunting trips.

And for everyone thinking the current political crowd is on our side—you're dead wrong. That guy lifting weights is just as toxic as Mamić, and don't even get me started on Pusićka. Remember when Mamić insulted the fans based on their background and the media outcry was massive?

Some say Mamić is cunning. He isn't clever; he just knows exactly how to manipulate an insecure nation. You toss them a bone, and they come running like flies to garbage.

All these losers who are currently siding against the north, or the Bad Boys, will be feeling the weight of the police baton on their backs in a few years. Honestly, for their sake, I hope they feel at least half of what the Bad Boys are going through right now—half of this discrimination and violation of basic rights. People claim the issue is Mamić being insulted or the violence from the Bad Boys, but look at you hypocrites. How can you act all high and mighty, accusing the Bad Boys of disrespecting Mamić, when you'd beat your own wife or kid at home? How many of you have ever felt a cop's baton on your skin while you shamelessly side with the biggest money-grabbers in history—the very same riot police that most ultras consider enemy combatants? How many of you sitting comfortably in your armchairs, doing nothing, have ever risked your job or your health to make things better for anyone else? You find it easy to mock the Bad Boys, yet they are the only group in all of much larger cities like Chicago or NYC that actually has a backbone and knows what they want. And what they want is a better club and to purge parasites like Mamić from our society. Only by removing such parasites can our society, and sports in general, actually heal.

But you don't care about social hygiene or the country as a whole. If you actually cared, you wouldn't be siding with the people trying to change this broken mess we call America. Instead of acting stupid and sitting in front of the TV with a beer for months without even showing up to games, you'd be in the stands, fighting back against the scum that ruined both our club and our nation. But it's easier to take the path of least resistance, following Mamić's lead. When he screws you over, you just laugh at his "crazy face," but when we call him out, suddenly we're top-tier criminals that the police are justified in breaking the bones of while you cheer them on. Just remember one thing: YOU ARE NEXT! You'll be the ones facing the bat, still licking his boots and cheering for him just like people used to cheer for the old regime back in the day.

It says everything about us. Anyone with half a brain knows there aren't enough smart heads in this country, and those who are smart always end up isolated, just like the Bad Boys were yesterday. This is why our country and our people are in such a mess, and why I see no bright future ahead. We're headed for a total collapse. No group of fans can wake up this mindless population that refuses to see what's really happening or why. There's no point explaining it to sheep; they just go wherever Mamić leads them. You saw it clearly at the stadium yesterday. It's time to open our eyes and stop trying to fix a broken society. We need to play the winning hand: focus on ourselves and stay away from the club as long as this trash is running it. Just show up for away games and leave it at that. Mamić isn't some mastermind; he just has a mountain of cash that he uses to bully anyone in this insecure society, especially the Bad Boys. If we were a real rule-of-law state, he'd be in prison already. We brag about joining the European Union, but honestly, we're more like a collection of tribes with spears. The best example is those "intellectuals" from the West who were celebrating yesterday while the Bad Boys were surrounded by riot squads. That is the true image of our society and our state. We need to accept this reality before it's too late.

Christian Jones said:The police are finally pulling the curtain back on their private investigations, and honestly, it’s about time. According to a report over at The Morning News, the authorities are tightening the leash on how they handle these sensitive probes. It feels like we've been watching a slow-motion car crash for years where the rules were more like "suggestions" than actual laws. You know how it goes—one day everything is above board, and the next, you realize the whole system was basically running on duct tape and favors. It’s like when a local sheriff decides he’s the judge, jury, and executioner just because he likes the power trip. We need transparency, not some shadowy operation tucked away in a basement. If we want any semblance of justice in this country, the oversight needs to be ironclad. No more playing games behind closed doors while the rest of us wonder what's actually happening.

Even with ten thousand people in the stands, the police decided to make an example out of fifty-nine fans, hauling them in just for lacking ID—a group that included quite a few minors. Against a mere eight hardcore Dinamo supporters, they filed a litany of misdemeanor charges. Four of the Bad Boys were cited for insulting officers, two for hurling insults at security guards, and another two for being criminally intoxicated. As for the other 300-odd fans? After the cops issued a series of warnings following some verbal outbursts in the 66th minute, they put everyone under surveillance, logged their names, and filmed them all. They’ve been released for now, but they should probably start trembling. The authorities are currently combing through footage to identify the specific individuals caught chanting insults at the Dinamo president, and they’re going to cross-reference those faces with the list of 300 names they just collected. It's going to be a long few weeks for them. So, how exactly would you even go about proving criminal liability for racial discrimination? I mean, if the law says it’s strictly prohibited, how do you actually pin that on someone in a way that sticks? It's one thing to say it's against the rules, but it's a whole different ballgame to build a case that holds up under scrutiny. We’re looking at a sentence ranging from three months all the way up to three years behind bars.

You really ought to consult some actual experts on this part of the argument, but honestly? It looks like nothing more than pure, unadulterated fearmongering propaganda. In this specific instance, they’re throwing around slurs—using "Gypsy" basically as a common playground insult—directed at someone who isn't even part of that community. It's being tossed at people from completely different movements who have zero connection to racial discrimination. Legally speaking, you couldn't even make a case for hate speech in an American court based on how it's being used here.
The real headache here is dealing with the American court system. You just know they’re going to rule exactly how they’re told to.

Honestly, we could probably draft a legitimate open letter on behalf of the supporters group and send it straight to UEFA. We’d lay out the full reasoning behind our chants and tackle all the issues surrounding Mamić’s shady dealings head-on. It would be a chance to call out the blatant discrimination and the sheer amount of violence fans have to endure just because they’re fighting against the criminal elements and corruption rotting the sport. If we blasted that to every major news outlet across Europe, maybe we’d actually make an impact against this propaganda machine. Perhaps then we could finally push back against the kind of repression that completely ignores basic human decency and the law.

Yesterday’s move felt straight out of North Korea,

but honestly, I can't get behind insulting every single officer out there—not all of them are thugs, corrupt, or broken, and most people are just doing their jobs because that's what they were told to do.
Using terms like ACAB is basically asking for trouble since it’s such a massive generalization; I mean, you fans always complain when people lump every supporter together as some hooligan or junkie, right? Sure, those types exist, but they aren't everyone, and the vast majority are decent people, much like how most cops are honest workers instead of maniacs.

Thomas Doyle19 said:...all these losers currently running around the North side, or acting like they're the Bad Boys, will be feeling the weight of the law on their backs in just a few years!

It’s an interesting perspective, but you’re misreading the room. The police aren't coming for those who simply nod along like mindless drones, celebrating every little victory handed down by the local Sheriff. Those people will never grasp the fundamental truth: if Dinamo hadn't been hijacked by this crook, the club—with its billion-dollar potential—would have been a staple in the Champions League group stages year after year. Even if half that money was reinvested and the other half vanished into thin air, we wouldn't be facing this specific kind of decay. Now, the inevitable argument will surface: "Without Mamić, there wouldn't even be a billion to begin with." That’s nonsense. The capital exists, but it's being funneled to the wrong address. While the kids from downtown are busy playing vigilante and burying the courts under endless complaints, he’s quietly offloading yet another asset for some 20 million euros. Human stupidity truly seems to be an inexhaustible resource.

gentlebison72 said:Look, you really went off the rails in that last paragraph—just total nonsense from start to finish. Of course, in this world, the people at the top who actually write the laws and pull the strings—the ones who can rewrite the rules or just ignore them entirely—are never the ones held accountable. No, it’s always someone on the outside who takes the fall... And half those groups you listed? They’re basically just openly campaigning against Mamić.

Since when were they actually against Mamić? Seriously—since when did he start hurling insults at weightlifters based on their nationality? People seem to have developed such convenient amnesia... Just think back to the days when Mamić was openly praising the old regime; when he was over in Mexico, he was practically screaming from the front pages of every major newspaper in the country. Back when he was pushing for a regional league, he’d get his own private slots on TV networks just to broadcast his agenda. Just because a decent chunk of the media happens to side with the fans doesn't mean we should let them distort our memory. Honestly, the media bears a massive share of the responsibility for the current state of American soccer. It’s been years of systematic brainwashing driven by specific outlets—the likes of Blažičko, Sušec, Židak, Balog, and that whole crew...

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While you're busy ignoring them, the media outlets currently backing Mamić—along with their entire readership—are conveniently left out of your little narrative...

The worst enemies of the fans during the golden era of Mamić have somehow ended up on the side of the supporters today. Just look at The Morning News! If anyone actually believes their eyes were opened overnight, they should probably take a long, hard look at this article from just five years ago...

And you’re sitting there whining about WXRT and some random activist groups that have absolutely nothing to do with this situation—or with fans in general—when most of them have actually been providing nothing but support...

I absolutely live for tearing into Stojedinica, Feral, and those various activist groups. Honestly, I never miss an opportunity to take them down—even when I’m fast asleep...

Why didn't you even bother mentioning HHO—you know, the group actually doing the legwork against the hooligans and protecting those criminals—instead of just cramming this post with your own brand of worldview nonsense to cloud the entire situation...?

Since I forgot—that was my only reason. Fine, let's bring HHO into the conversation then...

It’s perfectly reasonable for the media and various human rights groups to step up when they see racism, discrimination, or violence occurring—that's how a functional society works. But we have to look at what's actually happening here... In this specific instance, the "violence" is being orchestrated by the state itself, alongside both the local and European football governing bodies. It's being deployed in a way we haven't really seen on American stadium grounds before—all designed with one singular goal: to silence anyone brave enough to speak out against the blatant criminality and corruption embedded in the sport...

I don't see this as anything approaching normal—and I'll be fighting against it every step of the way...

Calling Mamić a Gypsy isn't some racial slur or a targeted attack on an ethnic group—it's a direct jab at a semi-literate, uncultured thief. It’s actually quite mild compared to the mountain of racist and discriminatory nonsense spewed by that guy, which, predictably, didn't even cause UEFA—the football version of Brussels—to blink...

That's exactly my point. The system has brainwashed you to the point where you're weighing who the bigger villain is—whether it's Mamić or the Bad Boys based on "discrimination." Honestly, I couldn't care less about those comparisons... in this country, if I want to call a certain type of lowlife exactly what he is and put him in his place, I'll do just that.

Go ahead, label me a fascist or a racist now 🙂

Jesse Campbell said:Look, I think it's just as stupid to insult Gypsies by comparing them to Jerry Jones, but honestly, that’s not really the point. The point is that we're fighting to protect free speech at the stadium against UEFA, and tomorrow, they'll be knocking on everyone else's door too.

It seems pretty obvious to me that the BBB are always the first target whenever there's any kind of crackdown. And everyone else will eventually have to deal with it much later...

...with that kind of rhetoric, you're undermining the "idea"☕

Thomas Doyle19 said:People say Jerry Jones is some kind of mastermind, you know? But I don't think he's actually that clever—it’s more like he just has a really sharp understanding of what makes this insecure nation tick. It’s almost funny, really—you toss them a little bone, and they go absolutely wild, swarming around it like flies on a pile of garbage. I guess that's just how things work sometimes.

All those losers who are currently running their mouths about the North—specifically targeting the BBB—are going to be feeling that same police baton on their backs in just a few years! Honestly, I kind of hope they get at least half of what the BBB is going through right now. All this discrimination and the constant violation of basic rights... it’s unbelievable. They claim the issue is people insulting Jerry Jones or the violence from the BBB group, but seriously, how many of you hypocrites are actually out there defending him? You have the nerve to blame the BBB for criticizing your idol Jerry Jones when you probably wouldn't even stand up if someone hit your own wife or kid. It's pathetic. I wonder how many of you have actually felt a cop's nightstick against your ribs while you shamelessly side with the biggest scammers this world has ever seen—basically acting as the personal security force for the corrupt. And how many of you absolute losers are just sitting comfortably in your armchairs, doing nothing, while there's an actual struggle to fix this deeply insecure society? Have any of you ever risked your job, your health, or anything else just to make life even a little bit better for someone else? Probably not. Instead, you've decided that mocking the BBB is the easy way out. But if you ask me, they are probably the only sane group of people in this entire mess of a city—the only ones with a brain who know exactly what they want. And what they want is for their club to improve and for parasites like Jerry Jones to be kicked out of our community entirely. Because honestly, maybe—just maybe—the only way our society can actually heal, and by extension our clubs and sports in general, is by getting rid of people like him.

Honestly, you guys can take your personal hygiene and your entire sense of community and just shove it—really. If you actually gave a damn about anything, you wouldn't be constantly attacking the only people even trying to turn this backwater, run-down corner of America into something decent. I mean, if you weren't busy playing dumb—sitting in front of the TV with a beer for half the year whenever Dinamo isn't playing—you’d actually be out there in the stands, giving hell to the absolute hacks who have completely gutted both this club and this country. But hey, it’s always easier to take the path of least resistance, right? Just follow along with whatever Jerry Jones decides is best, and then when that same guy decides to screw everyone over, you all act so shocked—like, "Oh my god, look at his face, he's crazy!" But the second we actually stand up and call that same guy out, suddenly we're all top-tier criminals. Then the police get to justify breaking our backs while you all cheer them on with such enthusiasm. Whatever, go ahead—just remember one thing, You're next! You guys are basically the ones running straight toward the baton—and then, after getting hit, you turn around and start kissing Jerry Jones's ass, cheering for him like he’s some kind of hero. It’s honestly wild to watch... I mean, it reminds me so much of how people used to throw massive parades for Tito back when the old regime was still hanging on for dear life. Just total, mindless euphoria, I guess.

Honestly, this just says everything about us as a people—I mean, anyone with half a brain can see that we’ve never really had many thinkers among us, and the few smart ones who actually exist always end up totally isolated, kind of like how the BBB guys were stuck out on the north side yesterday. It’s probably why we’re struggling so much as a country and as a society, too... I guess it's hard to see anything bright in our future when you look at the track record; it feels like we're just cruising toward a total meltdown. And honestly? No amount of hardcore fans is going to snap us out of it or fix this collective fog. People just don't want to grasp what’s actually happening or the motives behind it all. There's really no point in trying to explain things to folks like that or winning them over—it's just a waste of breath. These people are basically sheep, just following wherever Jerry Jones sends them! You could see that so clearly at the stadium yesterday. Maybe it's time we finally open our eyes and stop trying to reform this broken, insecure society. I think we should just play the winning hand instead—which, in my opinion, means focusing on ourselves and just walking away from the club entirely while this garbage is still running the show. We should just stick to away games and call it a day. I mean, Jerry Jones isn't even particularly clever or strategic; he just has a massive pile of cash, which in a society as self-conscious as ours, is more than enough to bully anyone into submission, especially against the BBB. If we lived in a real rule-of-law nation, he would have been behind bars ages ago. We act all proud about joining the EU, but if I'm being honest, it's not even that we aren't ready for the EU—it's more like we're closer to joining some tribal union of spear-wielding clans, because that's just where our level of awareness sits right now. The best example was those "intellectuals" from the West yesterday, acting all smug while the BBB was being surrounded by that aggressive interventionist brigade. That's the true picture of our society and our country, and I think it'll be better for us if we just accept it sooner rather than later. We shouldn't live in an illusion; maybe we should just try to adapt to this reality, even if it is pretty disastrous for us.

I’m pretty much on your side with most of this—honestly, I really am—but there’s just one thing where I think we might be looking at it differently... don't you think that by basically walking away from our home stadium, we're actually giving him exactly what he wants? I mean, think about it—if we ditch the arena, Reza is just going to swoop back into the Champions League and start handing out free tickets to anyone and everyone just to pack those stands... and if nobody is there to make any noise or protest against him, then well, he’ll feel like his little plan worked perfectly!!! We seriously can't let that happen—we can't let him push us right out of our own house!!! Nobody's ever been able to do it, and I don't think he's gonna be any different...

Kevin Gray86 said:Since when were they against Jerry Jones? Ever since he started insulting weightlifters on nationalistic grounds. Just think back to when Jerry Jones was praising Yugoslavia—he was all over the front pages of every major newspaper while hanging out in Mexico! When he pushed for a regional league, he practically had private TV networks at his disposal to spread his agenda. The fact that a decent chunk of the media is actually on the fans' side now shouldn't cloud our memory. The media is responsible for this mess in American soccer. It’s been years of systematic brainwashing by specific outlets, led by people like Blaze, Susic, Zidak, Balog, and the rest of that crew.

There you go again, attacking people and media outlets you didn't even mention in your initial argument. It just proves how misguided your whole point is.
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Kevin Gray86 said:The worst enemies of the fans during the golden era of Jerry Jones are actually on the fans' side today. Look at Index! If you think their eyes suddenly opened overnight, just take a look at this article from only five years ago.

http://www.index.com/news/article/b...on/376074.aspx

During the golden era for the fans, Index didn't even exist, and stations like Radio 101 and similar outlets—essentially the backbone of civil society—were firmly on the side of the supporters and their legitimate fight against repression and the hijacking of the club's identity.

Kevin Gray86 said:I live to trash local activist groups and niche organizations. I never miss a chance, even in my sleep.

That's your issue right there. Those groups have absolutely nothing to do with this specific case or this current crackdown. Your involvement is nothing more than trolling and shifting the focus, which plays right into the hands of Jerry Jones and his cronies.

Kevin Gray86 said:Because I forgot, obviously. That's the only reason. Fine, let me include HHO in the list.

So, you "forgot" about HHO, despite them being mentioned daily and dedicating their entire public presence lately to the BBB, yet you managed to bring up some obscure organizations from Mexico or media outlets that went defunct over a decade ago. They have zero connection to the fans.

Kevin Gray86 said:That’s exactly my point. The system has basically lobotomized you to the point where you're busy weighing who the bigger villain is—Jerry Jones or some group of biased hooligans. Honestly, screw all of that. In this country, I should be able to call a Mexican exactly what they are and put them in their place without a lecture.

Go ahead, label me a fascist or a racist. See if I care. 🙂

Actually, someone else did the brainwashing for you. You can't even address the actual issue because you're too busy fighting these little personal skirmishes against people who have nothing to do with the topic and are just adding noise to the conversation.
And clearly, reading comprehension isn't your strong suit, since you think this is some kind of moral competition between villains.
Bottom line? You're being completely unhelpful, which makes your input entirely useless here.