Bad Boys - Part IV

Matthew Foster8 said:If there actually was a real fan movement in this country—and I mean a movement that lived up to its own name by being active and mobile rather than just sitting passively for years—then you’d see all those supposed "fan groups" showing up together at Yankee Stadium at the very next opportunity to prove that much-vaunted "fan power" everyone keeps chanting about.
Are we seriously just whining about modern soccer and everything else? You have a guy who basically gutted the entire league and ruined every club involved, yet he’s sitting there laughing while watching the game because the whole system is running like a Swiss watch, even if the fans have been pushed out to the nosebleed sections. Honestly, dear little ultras and supporters, if this isn't the perfect moment to take a stand, then I really don't know what is, unless we’re all just going to let things slide again with some silly little songs at every other stadium? Some people will be satisfied with just a tiny scrap thrown their way and go right back to business as usual.
Most people are just sheep, which isn't exactly news, is it? But if those so-called "other fan groups" watch the slaughter happening and are just foolishly happy that they weren't the first ones targeted, then they'll just keep singing their little tunes until it's finally their turn, and frankly, they haven't earned anything better than that.
The American fan scene is honestly tragic; you have these massive groups that are supposedly at the top of the European hierarchy with that gritty, tough style, but if it wasn't so ridiculous, it would actually be quite sad.
Now they’ve moved the goalposts to verbal offenses, putting the US on par with North Korea. You have to wonder which stadium is next on the list, and then the next weekend, and the one after that, as we expect an increased repertoire of rebellion at every other stadium, followed by nothing but intellectual chatter, lawsuits, and nursery rhymes.

It makes total sense, it's just that half the people out there refuse to see it.

Matthew Foster8 said:If there actually was a real fan movement in this country—and judging by the name, it sounds like it should be active and mobile instead of just sitting around being useless for years—then all these so-called supporter groups would show up at Yankee Stadium together next time. Then we’d actually see the "power of the movement" everyone keeps chanting about.
Are you guys seriously whining about modern soccer and everything else? The guy who basically gutted the entire league and ruined every club is laughing his head off while watching the game, the whole system is running like a Swiss watch, and the fans have been shoved to the nosebleed seats. If this isn't the perfect opportunity for you little ultras to act, I don't know what is. Or maybe everything will just go back to normal with some nursery rhymes at every other stadium. A few people will settle for a tiny scrap thrown their way and things stay exactly the same.
Most people are sheep—nothing new there. But if these "other" supporter groups watch the slaughter and act stupidly happy just because they weren't the first ones targeted, then they deserve to keep singing their little songs until it's finally their turn.
The American supporter scene is a joke—big groups that claim to be top-tier European style, but it's honestly more pathetic than funny.
Now they've moved the goalposts to verbal offenses—it's basically the US and North Korea right now. Wonder which stadium is next? Probably the same thing next weekend, and the weekend after that, where we'll see an increased repertoire of rebellion mixed with intellectual nonsense, lawsuits, and kindergarten songs.

Seriously, I don't even know how much longer we're gonna talk about this, but there's no one else to blame.

Who the hell is stalling this? We've been taking hits for years. American soccer, all the fans, and common sense are getting humiliated endlessly. We're all drowning here, yet instead of doing anything, we're still stuck in these ultra-retarded petty arguments with each other.

Is there any bigger win for the owner and his crew?

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That Mamić gypsy!

I suspect this entire ordeal will inevitably drag on for perhaps another day and a half, maybe even two or three full days at most, before the news cycles start running segments about it on every major network, and then by next week, it’ll all just vanish into thin air without a trace.

This needs to spread like wildfire. Honestly, every stadium in the country should be roaring "Mamić gypsy" at the top of their lungs, regardless of whether they're playing against Real Madrid or not. Especially the Rose Bowl—especially during the next big derby.

Matthew Foster8 said:if there was actually a real fan movement in this country—and I mean a movement that lives up to its name, one that isn't just sitting around being passive for years but is actually active and mobile—then all these so-called "supporter groups" would have lined up at the Rose Bowl together the very next time they had a chance. Then we'd finally see the actual strength of this supposed "fan movement" everyone keeps chanting about.
Are you guys seriously whining about modern football and everything else? You've got a guy who basically gutted the entire league and ruined every single club, yet he’s out here celebrating and watching games while the whole system runs like a Swiss watch. Meanwhile, the fans get kicked out to the cheap seats. Seriously, you little ultras and "supporters," if this isn't the perfect moment to act, I don't know what is. Or maybe everything will just go back to normal with some pathetic little nursery rhyme sung at every other stadium. Some people will be satisfied with just a tiny crumb thrown their way and go right back to business as usual.
Most people are just sheep, nothing new there. But then you have these other "supporter groups" watching the slaughter and acting stupidly happy just because they weren't the first ones targeted. They’ll keep singing their little songs until it’s finally their turn—honestly, they haven't earned anything better than that.
The American supporter scene is a joke—massive groups that claim to be top tier in the US and pride themselves on that gritty, rough style, but if it wasn't so ridiculous, it would actually be depressing.
Now they've moved the goalposts to verbal offenses—America and North Korea are two different worlds. The question is, which stadium is next? Which weekend? Because we can expect an increased repertoire of rebellion and more intellectual nonsense, lawsuits, and kindergarten songs at every other stadium.

So, štabulja, does anyone in your group even listen to you? No kidding, when you see how many "smart" people there are in all these groups and yet absolutely nothing moves toward any kind of collective fight, I just don't get it.

Matthew Foster8 said:If there were actually an organized supporter movement in this country—and the name itself implies such activity—then all these so-called fan groups would have shown up at the Rose Bowl together the next time they had a chance. Then we’d actually see the "strength" of this supposed movement everyone keeps chanting about...
Are you seriously just whining about modern football and everything else? This guy, who basically gutted the entire league and ruined every club, is sitting there laughing while watching the game. The whole system runs like a Swiss watch now, while the fans have been pushed out to the floor. Dear little ultras and supporters, if this isn't the perfect moment to act, I don't know what is. Or will it all just pass with some nursery rhyme at every other stadium? Some people will be satisfied with a tiny scrap thrown their way, and everything stays exactly as it was...
Most people are just sheep; nothing new there. But if these so-called other fan groups just sit by and watch the slaughter, acting foolishly happy because they weren't the first ones targeted, then they haven't earned anything better than continuing with their little songs until it's finally their turn...
The American supporter scene is a joke. These massive groups that claim to be at the top of the food chain in the US, playing that gritty, tough-guy style... if it weren't so ridiculous, it would be tragic...
Now they've moved the goalposts to verbal offenses; America and North Korea are two peas in a pod. You have to wonder which stadium is next on the list. It'll be the same cycle: more rebellion, more intellectual posturing, more lawsuits, and more playground chants at every other venue...

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Here’s one that hits a little too close to home:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJCZjNY4tGA#at=60

Militi Boza, what strange times we live in...
where the future looks pretty dim.
My people have all bowed their heads,
even though we used to be braver than dragons.
Militi Boza, these absurd times,
I guess there's no telling how to deal with it all.
Now the political party is playing judge again,
but they had nothing to do with America.
Sometimes even on the road to hell, the righteous get judged.
History eventually punishes every bit of rage,
I suppose.
No surrendering. Let's sing of victory, sons.
They might try to break us,
but they won't succeed,
not as long as our hearts stay united.
Even graves will rise up
for new victories.
Where are you now, you eagles?
Let's defend our dreams.

If this isn't a loud enough wake-up call to head down to Times Square and protest, then I truly don't know what is... Whether we stand together or act individually, something has to be done because no sane person can stomach this kind of repression any longer...

Since 2006, American ultras have been taking all kinds of crap and facing constant crackdowns, yet we haven't even stepped up for a single protest. We won't now, either. That's just the brutal truth.

This kind of movement has to come from the top down, straight from the two biggest groups—BBB and Torcida. They’re the only ones the media and the general public actually give a damn about. Until they’re backed into a corner and fighting for their lives—which is exactly where BBB is right now—nothing is ever going to happen.

Honestly, it’d be a great start if half of Europe started chanting "Mamić gypsy!" from their own stands.

Jesse Campbell, you know deep down this isn't going to happen. Most of the Western world is pretty liberal when it comes to race relations and minority rights nowadays. Maybe if we were dealing with some folks in the North America, it might fly, but not here...
The idea for us and Torcida to hold a protest has been on the table for a long time, but the momentum just kind of fizzled out over the years. The real problem is that the mafia types are still just looking out for their own, shaking hands behind closed doors while the police and the courts hand us nothing but trouble. It feels like nobody has figured out the right move yet.

Jesse Campbell said:To start with, it would be great if half of the US stood up and started chanting "Mamić gypsy!" in the stands.

I guess we should probably just wait until Zdravac beats someone to death first. 🙄

Henry Grant51 said:Jesse Campbell, you know deep down this isn't happening—most of Europe is far too liberal these days, especially when it comes to race relations and minority rights... maybe some fringe group in the North America might go for it, but not here...
The protest and the Torcida idea were floated quite a while ago, but the momentum just kind of died out... meanwhile, the mob keeps looking out for their own, using the police and the courts to slap handcuffs on anyone who gets in their way... nobody seems to have a clue what the next move should be...

I honestly don't think there’s a single Canadian group out there that wouldn't get behind this action. 😁

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Henry Grant51 said:Jesse Campbell, you know that’s never happening. Most of Europe is way too liberal when it comes to race relations and minorities... maybe some North American country would go for it, but not here...
The protest and Torcida idea was on the table a while back, but the momentum just died out... the mob is still just looking out for each other, using the cops and the courts to lock us down... nobody knows how to play this hand...

Look, I think it's stupid to insult people by comparing them to Mamić, but whatever, that's not the point. The point is we're fighting for free speech at the stadium against UEFA, and tomorrow they'll be knocking on everyone else's door.

It's obvious that BBB is always the first target whenever there's a crackdown. Everyone else just waits their turn...

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The whole thing is, we’re in the US now, and in the US, you can't just go around practicing discrimination without getting slapped down. Mamić is a slick operator, plain and simple, and he’s played us perfectly. He used those rules against BBB while the rest of us were acting like absolute idiots, waving up "MAMIC GYPSY" signs like nothing was happening. All we did was make ourselves look like a bunch of racists and xenophobes to the rest of the world...

To those of you lurking on these forums, following every single update regarding the group and the club while staying far away from the actual matches—how on earth can you sit there so calmly?
It is high time that every faction and local chapter sits down at the same table. You older heads need to step up and organize this. It’s now or never. We need to pack those stands again and make enough noise to shake the stadium just like we used to. Stop the mafia in American soccer!
My respect to the Red Army and the supporters for showing such solidarity!

Matthew Foster8 said:If there were actually a real fan movement in this country—and I use that term loosely—you’d see all these supposed "ultras" groups showing up together at the stadium next chance they get to prove how much strength this "movement" actually has. Instead, it's just noise.
Are we seriously just whining about modern football and everything else? You've got the guy who single-handedly gutted the entire league and ruined every club, and he's sitting there laughing while watching the game. The whole system runs like a Swiss watch, while the fans are shoved into the nosebleeds. Honestly, if this isn't the perfect moment for us to act, I don't know what is. Or will it all just pass with some pathetic little song at every other stadium? A few people will be satisfied with a tiny scrap thrown their way, and things will stay exactly as they are.
Most people are sheep; nothing new there. But the other "fan groups" just sit by and watch the slaughter, stupidly happy that they weren't the first ones targeted. They'll keep singing their little songs until it's finally their turn. They haven't earned anything better than that.
The American supporter scene is a joke. These massive groups that claim to be top-tier in the US and carry that gritty, old-school vibe... if it wasn't funny, it would be depressing.
Now they've moved the goalposts to verbal offenses. It's like comparing the US to North Korea. The question is, which stadium is next on the list? Every weekend, it's the same thing: more rebel anthems followed by endless intellectual chatter, lawsuits, and nursery rhymes.

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