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Bad Boys - Part IV

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Nicole Jackson3 Nicole Jackson3 Active Member
124 messages
joined Apr 2023
#221 ·
Ethan Palmer57 said:Do you guys honestly think an inspection is going to squeeze anything out of Mamić? He’s already prepping for them, while our minister is making a massive scene about draining the marshlands. I don't know, I get the feeling that anyone who tries to step on his heels is going to run straight into this investigation.

That's all just games for people who want to believe the hype. Anyone with half a brain or a shred of logic knows the truth: if Jovanovic or the federal agencies actually wanted to take down Mamic, they would have done it within a month.
If they ever decide to go after him, it won't be because of some long-term investigation—it'll be because the people in power made a snap decision to pull the plug.
They aren't too incompetent to get rid of him if they actually had the guts to try.
vividotter40 vividotter40 Active Member
148 messages
joined Feb 2013
#222 ·
Anthony Barrett37 said:

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I'll bet anything that this whole thing is just a public relations stunt—a way to smooth things over—and that Mamić isn't going anywhere for at least another year. It’s nothing more than cheap political point-scoring. Nothing new here.
If they actually intended to get rid of him, he would have been gone long ago—if the FBI can't touch him, then neither can Joe Biden. It’s obvious that Mamić making a scene at the Republican Party convention rubbed someone the wrong way... there's no hope for those inspectors either...
Real business like this happens behind closed doors; you don't see it splashed across every media headline.
Casey Cox7 Casey Cox7 Member
37 messages
joined Nov 2012
#223 ·
Anyone can think whatever they want... but let's say Mamić actually sorted out all those papers regarding the seats and all that other nonsense.... he’s still violating the laws governing associations, and he'll keep doing it right up until the elections and until the members have cast their votes!
Now, whether that happens in a month or four months... well, that's another story altogether
Laura Mitchell87 Laura Mitchell87 Newcomer
1 message
joined Oct 2013
#224 ·
Well, look who's talking now...

You guys were laughing in my face yesterday when I told you the inspectors would be crawling out of the woodwork soon... ☕☕☕☕☕

Sure, time is relative in this country, and The Cabinet moves at a snail's pace, so it's not like they'll drop major new rules overnight... But timing isn't even the point.
Charles Torres12 Charles Torres12 Member
30 messages
joined Sep 2011
#225 ·
Good grief, Jesse Campbell, for heaven's sake... if we can actually get this sorted out, you’ll be looking at a pair of free appliances for you and your wife this summer... 😉
Anthony Barrett37 Anthony Barrett37 Active Member
68 messages
joined Mar 2011
#226 ·
The sports inspectors are:

1. Ivia Lovreković, JD, met all requirements for the sports director role at the State Administration Office in Virovitica County

2. Dalibor Bošnjaković, JD, Brod-Posavina County

3. Damir Dumančić, JD, Osijek-Baranja County

4. Domagoj Goić, JD, Split-Dalmatia County

5. Dean Kolenko, economist, Istria County

6. Blagojka Leko, PE teacher, Požega-Slavonia County

7. Kristina Pačalat, economist, Varaždin County

8. Desanka Jurić matošin, philosophy and sociology teacher, Šibenik-Knin County

9. Harold Pece, JD, Zadar County

10. Mirjana Pavlović, economist, Bjelovar-Bilogora County

11. Josip Radojković, PE teacher, Split-Dalmatia County

12. Vesna Meved, special ed specialist, Chicago County

13. Goran Kursar, PE teacher, Split-Dalmatia County

14. Jelena Turak, economist, Primorje-Gorski Kotar County

Three people in Split-Dalmatia, and then there's a special ed specialist in Chicago County, even though the city of Los Angeles wouldn't fall under LA County... just greatttttttttt
Nicole Jackson3 Nicole Jackson3 Active Member
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joined Apr 2023
#227 ·
Jesse Campbell said:Well, we'll see if I'm right...

You guys were all laughing at me yesterday when I said inspections were coming soon... ☕☕☕☕☕

Time is pretty relative in this country, and since The Cabinet moves at a snail's pace, it doesn't really matter if significant measures aren't passed overnight... But timing isn't even the main issue here.

If timing isn't the point, then stop using phrases like "soon," "by the end of the month," or "in 2-4 weeks." That's exactly why people don't take you seriously. Everything else you say might be true, but people are impatient, and your optimism regarding when Mamić & Co. will fall is just irritating them. They’ll leave whenever politics decides they're done. Look, this inspection sounds great on paper, but they’ll just find the same old irregularities at, say, Real Madrid. And then what? They hand those findings over to the Secretary. Then what? He’ll order them to fix the issues within six months. If they don't fix them, then what? Will they seal the doors of the civic association? 🤷 Will they send the FBI in to handle it? What actually happens after they confirm the violations?
Most importantly, none of this is happening in less than six months. That's just realistic thinking. And realistically, Mamic won't be gone until at least the start of next season. At least not until then.

A year ago, you were also saying "soon." Listen, that wasn't exactly "soon." You really messed that one up. 🙂
Amy Hughes2 Amy Hughes2 Member
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joined Jul 2009
#228 ·
hollowsurfer22 said:Look, I have no clue what the final structure of Real Madrid will look like. That’s likely going to be decided by politics, isn't it?...
But just because we set up a fund doesn't mean every cent has to go toward buying Real Madrid shares.
If Real Madrid moves toward a membership-based model, this fund could act as a safety net for fans facing tough times, or even support other community projects.
No matter how much people assume the membership model will work, I’ve got a bad feeling that some shady owner—let's call him a typical corporate shark—will eventually try to claw back his investment. And since the club can really only offer shares in return, that's probably the only way out...
To me, the whole thing smells like a setup where they want us ready to jump into a "potential" privatization. We can't afford to look foolish while these mafia types set up little money-making incubators right under our noses!
So, I don't see any harm in the fund itself. It’s just about building a cushion for whenever things inevitably get messy in the future.

I'm not talking about whether the fund is harmful... I'm questioning if it's actually realistic. 😁

The rest of my point was just about the immediate future. If elections at Real Madrid happen tomorrow, anyone who actually cares needs to be a registered member. Anything else is just shouting into the wind.

Here is what the Chairman himself mentioned on Z1 last Sunday regarding this topic:

Are you afraid of an Assembly based on the "one member, one vote" principle that the Bad Boys are fighting for?
- A time will come when something happens with Real Madrid regarding that issue. It'll happen when it's meant to, not because someone dictates it. Real Madrid's assembly consists of 80 people—professors, doctors, professionals... How exactly do you think I could manipulate all of them? There's a loud, radical minority trying to force their way in, but let's be clear... they are just a minority.
Laura Mitchell87 Laura Mitchell87 Newcomer
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joined Oct 2013
#229 ·
Jacob Newman74 said:If timing isn't the issue, then stop saying "soon," "by the end of the month," or "in 2-4 weeks."

Stop being such impatient, unrealistic pessimists and maybe I'll stop saying "soon"... 🙂

That's just leftover habit from back when we were boycotting and being impatient actually meant something. I was just testing the waters. He deals with the gloom, I deal with the tiki-taka. 😁

Anyway, long story short. Every single one of my calls has hit, so this one will too. ☕
Melissa Kelly3 Melissa Kelly3 Newcomer
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joined May 2022
#230 ·
I’m genuinely curious—what kind of future do you see for this club once Mamić is gone?

Honestly, I haven't the slightest clue...
The internet is full of noise, and even current supporters claim he might be cooking the books, yet Real Madrid just keeps sitting at the top of the table.

How do you think this will actually play out? Is there any realistic chance we make it to the LP without selling off our ten best players first?

The only thing I truly believe in is that the stadium attendance will increase, and that's something I'm looking forward to.
David Anderson5 David Anderson5 Member
21 messages
joined Apr 2012
#231 ·
Jesse Campbell said:Quit being such impatient, unrealistic pessimists and maybe I’ll stop using the word "soon"... 🙂

That habit stuck with me from back when we were actually boycotting things—back when being impatient actually served a purpose. I was just testing the waters. Let him deal with his miserable pessimism; I’ll stick to my methodical approach. 😁

Anyway, to make a long story short. Every single one of my predictions has come true, and this one will be no different. ☕

Look man, you keep talking about how that day is coming, but it never does. If you actually stopped posting about it, maybe it would finally happen. 😁
silverbear38 silverbear38 Newcomer
1 message
joined May 2013
#232 ·
The absolute most critical thing here—and I mean this with total sincerity—is that once he finally moves on, we need to ensure his successor is either one of his direct proteges or someone who embodies his exact philosophy. It shouldn't just be some random hire from a corporate office in Chicago; it needs to be continuity. We need someone like Pelé stepping in as President, perhaps Baggio taking over as the Sporting Director, and then having Coach lead the squad from the sidelines 🙂
hollowsurfer22 hollowsurfer22 Member
32 messages
joined Aug 2012
#233 ·
Gary Watson15 said:My point isn't about whether the fund is harmful, but rather its practical viability. 😁

The rest of my previous message was regarding our immediate future. If an election were held at Real Madrid tomorrow, everyone who truly cares would need to be registered members. Without that foundation, any effort is futile.

Here is what the Chairman himself discussed on Z1 last Sunday regarding this matter:

Are you afraid of an Assembly based on the "one member, one vote" principle, which is what the Bad Boys advocate for?
- A moment will come when things change at Real Madrid regarding that principle; it will happen in due time, but certainly not under anyone's dictatorship. Real Madrid's assembly consists of 80 people, including professors and doctors. How could I possibly hope to manipulate such a group? A loud, radical minority attempts to impose itself, but they remain just that—a minority...

I see nothing unrealistic about my proposal!
There are existing databases of supporters loyal to "our" Real Madrid, and a properly drafted announcement combined with transparency during the founding process would certainly engage people—it certainly would me.
Furthermore, funds ought to be strictly monitored; whether through commissions or major donors is simply an organizational matter.
That specific fund would remain entirely separate from club membership, which is also a critical factor in the current situation at Real Madrid.

I have actually considered the idea that if Real Madrid were to be privatized tomorrow, I might personally step forward to pay a significant sum for shares, driven by a concern for the club's future and a desire to set it on a healthy path permanently.
Of course, certain individuals would attempt to pocket millions in the process (we all know who they are), and that is where we lose out.
Therefore, I believe that by providing one substantial amount of capital, we become a decisive factor.
This is why some effort should be made regarding this issue; the total amount invested is secondary to the fact that a reserve exists, ready to be utilized whenever the necessity arises.
velvetskipper52 velvetskipper52 Active Member
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joined Feb 2012
#234 ·
Jesse Campbell said:If you all would stop being such impatient, unrealistic pessimists, maybe I'd stop saying "coming soon"... 🙂

That habit stuck with me from back when our boycott actually made sense, and I was just testing the waters. While he's busy being miserable, I'm playing the long game... 😁

Anyway, to make a long story short. Everything I've predicted has come true, so this will too. ☕

YOUR PREDICTIONS ARE CHILD'S PLAY. FERGUSON IS LEAVING MANCHESTER UNITED FOR SURE; IT'S JUST A MATTER OF WHEN. THE OWNER IS THE SAME STORY. YOU CAN'T EVEN GET YOUR OWN FORECAST RIGHT.
silverbear38 silverbear38 Newcomer
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joined May 2013
#235 ·
velvetskipper52 said:YOUR PREDICTIONS ARE ABSOLUTELY CHILDISH. FERGUSON WILL BE LEAVING Manchester United; it is merely a matter of when. The owner will follow suit as well. You couldn't possibly get your forecast more wrong if you actually tried.

Now, look, I remember sitting in my study back in '98 reading similar nonsense, but let me tell you, Ferguson is never leaving Manchester United. He has explicitly stated his intention to remain part of the fabric of this club even long after he hangs up his whistle.😁
Jose Vaughn3 Jose Vaughn3 Active Member
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joined Oct 2011
#236 ·
Jesse Campbell, you're getting worked up over nothing, haha. Everything is under control.🤣🤣🤣

http://www.hrhb.info/forumdisplay.php?f=8
Benjamin Thomas2 Benjamin Thomas2 Newcomer
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joined Sep 2010
#237 ·
All you self-proclaimed experts praising Dinamo's results under Z-M should take a long look at the entire tenure. We went from playing in some amateur local league to competing in the Champions League...
The sports inspectors have massive authority if you actually bother to read the law. Who knows what's coming next, but one thing is certain: things aren't going to stay the way they've been...
slysailor52 slysailor52 Member
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joined Dec 2013
#238 ·
silverbear38 said:The bottom line is that once he finally exits stage left, we need his successor—someone who actually shares his DNA or plays by his playbook. Zajec as President, Boban as GM, and Kuze pulling the strings as Head Coach. 🙂

I wouldn’t exactly call the dynamics within that little triangle "seamless," if you catch my drift... 🤔

But calling it "legendary" certainly has a certain ring to it. 😉

Either way, those would be some very pleasant problems to have, but let's be honest: we are still stuck deep in the middle of a total nightmare. 😠
Jeremy Torres17 Jeremy Torres17 Active Member
63 messages
joined Oct 2012
#239 ·
Jesse Campbell said:Basically, the beginning of the end for this soccer mafia was when the strongest supporter group in Europe—the Bad Boys—stood up against them with actual unity and purpose. A group that simply doesn't lose its battles. We were the first group on the continent to realize that looking good in the stands, jumping during goals, or putting on expensive choreographed displays isn't everything. I’m not saying every other group is just working for the front office, nor am I saying nobody else protests management, but nobody has a history quite like ours. That is why we are the strongest.

The appointment of an inspector today is just the final nail in the coffin for those morally bankrupt thugs and their cronies. Politics is lagging behind us—just like it did back when we fought to reclaim the Dinamo name—but even they had to realize that something is fundamentally broken in American soccer. The boycott and the fight we've spearheaded over the last two and a half years emptied out Maksimir and exposed the absolute fraudulence of the leadership. And the work, primarily from ZZD, has beaten the hyenas on every single front.

Of course, it has to be acknowledged that other groups across the country have played much more vital and honest roles than they did in the 90s, contributing significantly to this struggle. Many ultras finally realized that Šmrksi and his pack of hyenas were trying to use force to dismantle the American supporter movement as their only organized opposition. These days, while Narkos is desperately, whimpering and begging—dragging in some Ukrainian equivalent (even if he just stole money elsewhere and then funneled it into soccer) to lecture us—everyone finally sees it for what it is.

The Sports Inspection will be an institution that provides CONSTANT oversight, somewhere anyone can turn if things get illegal. There are multiple layers to this; whoever designed it knew there would be attempts at bribery, which is exactly why the soccer mafia is acting so nervous. They know nothing will ever be the same again.

And then there's that guy rambling about "marginalized groups." Soon enough, he'll be playing cards with Canjuga and claiming they once decided the fate of the Bad Boys too. Let him enjoy his delusions, but he's miles away from Dinamo.


So, you're taking the wrong approach again... I respect your stance, truly, and as I said last time, you can't use your own group's specific experience as a blueprint for everyone else. You just can't.

Drawing that parallel is a complete failure. Look, I get it—your group took action because of very specific primary reasons; you were playing for the heart of your club and your identity, and those emotions fueled the fight. There's nothing wrong with that.

How do you expect Armada or Torcida to jump into a fight the same way you guys did against, say, Mamić and Dinamo—when he practically controls the entire national federation too? First off, every one of us knows our own backyard best; you can't expect our other two major groups to run around Zg doing exactly what the guys in ZZD did. Nor can you expect certain boycotts to happen everywhere. Against whom? Our own boards? Our own clubs? We'd get absolutely slaughtered by our own people if we tried that. For twenty years, Maminjo hasn't been digging holes under us, so people aren't looking to drop hands like you guys might. You can't use your situation as an argument for us. Furthermore, you can't expect someone who has been opposing Mamić and the federation all along to suddenly show up on your terrace and act in unison with you. That actually sounds like something meaningful, wouldn't you agree? 😁
Ultimately, you can't demand the same actions from others that you took, because your situation was both a fight for your group and a fight for your club. Every move you made had logic and purpose. Amen.

Simply put—since our club isn't stuck in the exact same mess you guys are, trying to draw parallels between our struggles is a total miss. The level of impact provided by Torcida and Armada—in terms of the songs, the messages, the choreographies, the media presence, and those various organized actions across cities all over Europe—just couldn't be matched... Now, we get to the actual question: why hasn't there been any concrete, unified coordination among the fans? That is the core issue, nothing else... Let me repeat: beyond supporting our own club and the historical actions taken by Armada and Torcida, you can't really expect anything more, as I stated above.

Now, you’re probably going to tell me, "But this is about your club too, and your future," blah, blah, blah... But once people realize that things haven't changed in twenty years, you can't expect our side to suddenly provide some perfect model for you. Instead, you have to ask yourself: why was it impossible to agree on anything joint? And I should mention—after that robbery back in '99, when Armada was calling out those scumbags, other groups just acted like "what's the big deal?" When the club called out the HNS and looked for support through public stances and other activities, etc... Well, you got absolutely nothing. There was zero support because everyone else only cared about how they looked in the stands or jumping around in their kits... Man, tone down the self-righteousness. You're starting a fight ten years late after certain groups already pointed the finger—of course, for selfish reasons, just like you and the Torcida guys, it's obvious... A little logic would go a long way here, rather than just blindly comparing us using nonsense comparisons that have nothing to do with reality. Dammit, you're just making things worse. 🙄

Good grief.
loneeagle6 loneeagle6 Newcomer
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#240 ·
silverbear38 said:The main thing is that once he’s gone, we get one of his guys or someone just like him. Zajec as President, Boban as GM, Kuze as Coach... 🙂

Look, if you want my honest opinion, please don't even joke about putting Zajec in the front office or any other role... 😉 He's a club legend, hats off to him for everything. But he's nowhere near management level... I mean, he's done it all already, hasn't he? 😉

Same goes for Boban. You could say plenty about him, but if anyone ever sees him in a future role, it definitely isn't as GM...

As for Joža, sign him immediately—if only he hadn't walked away from the bench back then... Maybe a few years of stability... But hey, that's just how things go at GNK... 🙄

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