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Do we need a Ban Hammer subreddit?

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Participants Henry Hernandez7loneraven25Daniel Ward87Nicholas KingRyan Vaughn7Michelle Alvarez8Anthony Jackson2
Henry Hernandez7 Henry Hernandez7 Active MemberOP
128 messages
joined Apr 2014
#1 ·
I’m putting this out there because I’ve honestly started feeling the effects of a total breakdown in basic communication lately.

Basically, I try to lay out a logical, reasoned argument regarding why certain people get perks while others don't, but I never get an actual, reasoned response back. Just nothing.

From what I understand, censorship isn't supposed to be a thing here.

So, once I've laid all the facts on the table, I have to ask:

What’s even the point of filing an appeal against the Ban Hammer???
loneraven25 loneraven25 Active Member
77 messages
joined Jul 2013
#2 ·
...you can be wiped from the Ban Hammer and the user registry just as easily,
which means you won't get another chance to witness stuff like this happening...
...you totally missed the header right above:
Messages, appeals, comments, feedback, ideas, grievances, or whatever else is on your mind. How can we make Reddit better and more polished?
Subreddits: Celebrations and the Ban Hammer

...you basically stripped yourself of the privileges everyone else enjoys,
since you went out of your way to cause trouble despite all the warnings—the strikes and everything...
Henry Hernandez7 Henry Hernandez7 Active MemberOP
128 messages
joined Apr 2014
#3 ·
Don't try to sugarcoat things.

Look, I'm not denying that I haven't been hit by the Ban Hammer, nor have I been getting any special treatment here.

But my point was about why another user on this Subreddit didn't get slapped with the same punishment I did, and honestly, it feels like I’ll be waiting until Judgment Day to actually get an answer to that.

And now you're trying to lean on me with threats of a permanent ban or a partial one? Come on, give me a break. Just because you've got the moderator tools doesn't mean you need to act like you're looking down on everyone.
Daniel Ward87 Daniel Ward87 Active Member
195 messages
joined May 2023
#4 ·
Henry Hernandez7 said:Don't go twisting the truth.

I’m not even gonna argue—I haven't been hit by the Ban Hammer, nor have I been getting any special treatment.

I was just making a point about why that other guy didn't get hit with the same Ban Hammer I did. Looks like I'll be waiting for that reply until the cows come home.

And you’re still coming at me with threats about permanent or partial bans? Come on, man, chill out. Just because you’ve got the moderator tools doesn't mean you should act like you're better than everyone else.

Look, you aren't going to be waiting forever for an answer. Your real issue is that you’re convinced you're right and everyone else is wrong, which is why we’re just spinning our wheels here. Just because the replies don't fit your narrative doesn't mean there isn't actual communication happening over on the Ban Hammer.
loneraven25 loneraven25 Active Member
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joined Jul 2013
#5 ·
Henry Hernandez7 said:And now you’re trying to threaten me with a permanent ban or a partial one? Come on, give me a break. Don't act like you're some kind of authority just because you have access to the moderator tools.

...where exactly in my post do you see any kind of threat..?
...you write your own posts, you're the one responsible for what you say,
so if you mess up, you're the one who deals with the fallout,
and if you're going to ask for advice, you really ought to be prepared to actually listen to it...
...I gave you the most polite answer possible here,
the Ban Hammer sub is there so people can lodge a complaint if they truly believe there's a legitimate reason to do so,
it's definitely not meant to be a debating floor for questioning why the rules exist in the first place...
Henry Hernandez7 Henry Hernandez7 Active MemberOP
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joined Apr 2014
#6 ·
Daniel Ward87 said:Just because you don't like the answers you're getting doesn't mean there isn't actual communication happening over on the Ban Hammer.

Whether I was actually in the right or not doesn't even matter; I just want to know why that user jebateled didn't get hit by the Ban Hammer for doing the exact same thing I did.
Henry Hernandez7 Henry Hernandez7 Active MemberOP
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joined Apr 2014
#7 ·
loneraven25 said:...where exactly in my post is there a threat?..

"...you can be easily wiped from the Ban Hammer and the platform,
so you won't have the chance to witness similar cases anymore..."

That’s a threat.

So go ahead, explain to me how I'm supposed to appeal an unfair ban if you just hand out punishments without any recourse?
loneraven25 loneraven25 Active Member
77 messages
joined Jul 2013
#8 ·
...there wasn't even a hint of a threat here; I laid out exactly how you could steer clear of the Ban Hammer...
...but what really stings is you suggesting I should just be the bigger person and look down on this from some moral high ground...
...being a moderator isn't about getting some kind of VIP treatment or special privileges,
nor do I have the luxury of just hitting an ignore button on anyone who bothers me...
...honestly, starting a thread like this feels like a textbook case of pure trolling...
...no ban is ever arbitrary; every single one is just the inevitable result of stacking up warnings,
you know, those little heads-ups that people usually just ignore before they go right back to their old ways...
Henry Hernandez7 Henry Hernandez7 Active MemberOP
128 messages
joined Apr 2014
#9 ·
loneraven25 said:...I wasn't making any threats, I was just laying out how you could steer clear of the KGB...
...but honestly, the insult here is you suggesting I should be understanding or looking down on people...
...being a mod isn't some kind of VIP pass,
and since I can't even put anyone on ignore right now...
...starting a thread like this feels like textbook trolling to me...
...there’s no such thing as an unfair ban; it's all just a math equation based on warnings,
basically, you get cautioned, and if you keep acting up, you deal with the consequences.

So, my whole point is that I'm complaining about these warnings, but what's the use of sending points toward the KGB when it doesn't actually accomplish anything? When I try to make a case that I've been flagged unfairly—just like any other user who hasn't been flagged—pointing out a mistake doesn't seem to matter. It's useless. What's even the point of having that damn corner at all?!
loneraven25 loneraven25 Active Member
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joined Jul 2013
#10 ·
...look, if you honestly feel like you don't need the KGB, nobody is actually forcing you to hang out here or read anything we post,
the moderators don't have that kind of luxury; they have a job to do, which is keeping an eye on everything happening...
...regardless of who we're talking about, handing out a warning can definitely be overkill sometimes,
but a full-blown ban? That’s just not okay, especially when it's all based on a tally of warnings...
but since we're strictly discussing the subject line of this thread, let's try to stick to the topic at hand...
...beyond that, I think it's just a matter of basic decency—mind your own business,
instead of constantly shoving someone else's actions right under people's noses...
...because at the end of the day, that other person isn't going to serve your ban, nor are you going to serve theirs,
everyone is ultimately responsible for whatever nonsense they decide to put in their own posts...
...but since I have a feeling you're already well aware of all this,
I'd really appreciate it if you could finally just clarify one thing: what was the actual point of opening a thread like this in the first place..?
Henry Hernandez7 Henry Hernandez7 Active MemberOP
128 messages
joined Apr 2014
#11 ·
I started this thread because I couldn't get a straight answer in the BANNED USERS CORNER about why I’m the only one getting slapped with a warning when it was a two-way street on that other topic.

And honestly, how many times have anyone's appeals actually been granted lately?

Clear enough now?
loneraven25 loneraven25 Active Member
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joined Jul 2013
#12 ·
Henry Hernandez7 said:And how many times have they actually upheld a protest regarding yellow cards up to this point?

...quite often, at least from what I can gather while digging through official intervention reports,
but then again, that’s probably drifting a bit too far away from the specific point you're trying to make here...
Henry Hernandez7 Henry Hernandez7 Active MemberOP
128 messages
joined Apr 2014
#13 ·
loneraven25 said:...quite often, whenever I get a chance to dig through those intervention reports,
but that’s probably drifting away from what you actually wanted to talk about here...

Never happened for me, though if it ever had to be done, it would've been on my dime.
And you're telling me that isn't part of this discussion?
Nicholas King Nicholas King Regular
716 messages
joined Jan 2023
#14 ·
Henry Hernandez7 said:I suppose I should probably start by saying that I don't normally weigh in on these kinds of threads—it feels a bit unnecessary sometimes, I guess—but after seeing what Henry Hernandez7 had to say about the recent developments, I felt compelled to offer my own perspective. It’s just... well, it’s complicated. There isn't a simple way to frame this without getting bogged down in the minutiae, but if we are being honest—and I think we ought to be—the current trajectory seems somewhat misguided. Maybe I'm being too cautious, or perhaps I'm just looking at the data through a much more skeptical lens than most people here, but there is an undeniable sense of friction in how things are being handled. It’s almost as if the decision-makers are ignoring the fundamental realities of the situation—which, frankly, is frustrating to witness. I mean, you can't just bypass the established protocols and expect everything to run smoothly; that's just common sense, isn't it? Or at least, it should be. Anyway, I'll leave it at that for now. I suspect there will be plenty of debate regarding this, and I'm prepared to defend my position if anyone feels the need to challenge it—though I'd prefer to keep this civil. Never.

This has absolutely nothing to do with the "Should we" thread—honestly, I don't see why this is even being brought up here. I suppose I should probably start by saying that there isn't much to go on here—just a single word, really. It’s a bit of a blank slate, isn't it? I guess I'll just sit here and wait for someone to actually provide some substance, because right now, we're all just staring at a void. Maybe it was a typo, maybe it was a test—who knows? I tend to lean toward the latter when things feel this... sparse. Regardless, if there's an actual point you're trying to make, I'd suggest fleshing it out a bit more before expecting a real discussion. Just my two cents. Is this where we host the banned? 🙂

Redom:

The KGB is essentially the only venue left where banned users actually have a platform to speak their minds; they can't send private messages, and they certainly aren't allowed to post anywhere else—so, I suppose, there's a real need for... I suppose I should probably start by saying that—if there is even a way to properly frame this particular mess—that things have become increasingly disorganized lately. It feels as though we are constantly circling the same drain without any real sense of direction, which is, frankly, exhausting. I was looking back at some of the earlier discussions—and I mean really digging through the archives—and it strikes me how much the tone has shifted. There used to be a certain level of... well, let's call it "intellectual rigor," if we’re being generous. Now? It’s just noise. I guess I might be being too hard on everyone, but it certainly feels that way from where I’m sitting. Henry Hernandez7 seemed to suggest a different approach earlier, but I find myself questioning whether that’s actually viable in the current climate. And don't even get me started on what loneraven25 was rambling about yesterday—it was completely disconnected from the core issue at hand. Even Nicholas King, who usually has a bit more sense than most, seemed to be drifting off into pure speculation. Maybe I'm just being overly cautious—or perhaps just overly cynical—but I can't shake the feeling that we are losing the thread entirely. We need to pull ourselves together, or at least attempt to, before this whole thing becomes an absolute farce. I suppose one might worry that they’ve been banned—effectively silenced without even being granted the right to an appeal.

- "I suppose it’s actually quite easy to just scrub someone from the ban list and wipe them from the server entirely—which means you won't get another shot at witnessing these kinds of situations ever again...That’s a threat—but honestly, it doesn't exactly "strengthen your case" one bit. 🙂;

You asked, and you were answered quite politely. There was no mockery, no sarcasm, and certainly no insults involved here. Your little jab—this petty attempt at a "gotcha" moment regarding whether a card has ever been shown—is actually the crux of the issue. Because, in fact, it has happened, and more than once at that. What... I suppose you’re asking me—though I can't quite say why anyone would bother with such a vague inquiry—but if this is directed at me, then fine. I'm listening. What is it? He hasn't exactly been withdrawn, has he? I mean—if you look at the facts—it’s almost as if he’s never even stepped back once. Maybe that's just my perception, but I guess it seems pretty clear to me. To you. It seems like it had to happen that way—though, honestly, I suppose it hardly matters in the grand scheme of things.

I don't follow soccer that closely, but from what I can gather around here—and I realize my understanding might be somewhat limited—you seem to be... I suppose I should probably address this—though I’m not entirely sure why anyone would bother—but there seems to be some sort of discussion brewing regarding certain individuals from that one specific coastal area. It’s all rather tiresome, if you ask me. I mean, I guess it might matter to some people, but personally, I find the whole thing to be quite tedious—perhaps even a bit much. Not that I'm making any definitive claims here, mind you, but it feels like we're circling the drain with these repetitive topics. Maybe it's just me, but it seems unnecessary. I suppose you’re going to go throwing yourself right into the middle of it—just diving headfirst into the fray without a second thought. I guess that's your style, isn't it? Maybe you think playing the hero is always the best move, but honestly, jumping into the thick of things like that—without even weighing the consequences—seems more like reckless bravado than actual strategy. It's a bold way to live, I suppose, though it usually ends in nothing but a mess. I suppose I should address the local supporters—those die-hard fans who seem to think their loyalty alone carries the team through every slump. It’s a bit much, isn't it? Honestly, the sheer intensity they bring to the stands is almost exhausting to witness from a distance. They act as if every single match is a matter of national survival, though, in reality, it's just another game of soccer. Maybe that's just how it works in this part of the country, but I find the constant fervor a little misplaced. And you're out here leaving comments that look just like this cardboard cutout nonsense. It really begs the question—where exactly is... I suppose I should probably start by saying that "crowded" doesn't even begin to cover it—it’s more like a total suffocating mess. It’s that specific kind of overwhelming density where you can barely draw a breath without bumping into someone’s shoulder or getting caught in some mindless shuffle. Honestly, it’s exhausting. In this persistent cycle of such behavior—even when one knows perfectly well it’s going to end in a red card—it makes you wonder... I guess it just becomes a matter of whether they actually care about the consequences at all.
Henry Hernandez7 Henry Hernandez7 Active MemberOP
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#15 ·
Nicholas King said:This doesn't really have anything to do with the thread "Do we actually need a banned users corner?" 🙂

Look:

- The KGB is basically the only spot where banned guys can get a word in; they can't send PMs, they can't post anywhere else—so, we need this space just so people don't feel like they've been silenced without any way to appeal;

- "...it's pretty easy to scrub you from both the banned corner and the main board, leaving you zero chance to call out similar situations..." sounds like a threat, sure—but that doesn't exactly "strengthen your argument," does it? 🙂;

- You asked a question, and you got a polite answer. No mocking, no sarcasm, no insults. Your little gripe about whether "anyone ever actually gets a card?" is the issue here—because yeah, they do, more than once. Just because you haven't been hit with one, and you think it should have happened, doesn't change the reality of it;

- I don't follow soccer, but from what I gather, you're acting like a typical Los Angeles local diving headfirst into Lakers territory and dropping comments that land you right in the doghouse. The real question is: what's the point in stubbornly repeating that kind of behavior, especially when you already know it's going to end with a red card?

Seems like you've done your homework on my situation, so maybe you can tell me why forum user jebateled hasn't been banned like I was? Or maybe he didn't deserve it, which would mean I didn't either.

As for the actual topic, personally, I think a dedicated spot is necessary, even if I've never actually had a reason to use it myself.
Nicholas King Nicholas King Regular
716 messages
joined Jan 2023
#16 ·
Henry Hernandez7 said:It seems you’re quite well-versed in my specific issues—so maybe you'll be the one to actually agree with me for once...

I already stated: I'm only as informed as what can be read right here—I don't recall ever being part of the Soccer community 🙂.

I have absolutely no idea about the case you're bringing up—but, let's look at the facts: your initial question was "why a penalty for a post that doesn't deserve it," and only after that did you start trying to play judge and jury with that whole "if I'm being targeted, then he should be too" logic.

In short: when a huge number of people keep telling you the exact same thing over and over again, perhaps—just maybe—it might be worth doing a little self-reflection. That's really all I'm attempting to convey 🙂.
Henry Hernandez7 Henry Hernandez7 Active MemberOP
128 messages
joined Apr 2014
#17 ·
Nicholas King said:your original question was just asking why I got flagged for a post that didn't deserve it, and you only started playing the "if I'm getting punished, then he should be too" card after the fact.

It's because when I asked my first question, the response I got was basically saying I deserved it, which is why I followed up by asking why the other guy wasn't getting treated the same way.

I know that’s probably not really your department anyway, but it’s definitely relevant to Mick Jagger—assuming he even knows what's going on.
Ryan Vaughn7 Ryan Vaughn7 Active Member
154 messages
joined Jul 2009
#18 ·
Mick Jagger already laid out exactly why you picked up that yellow card over on the KGB forums. You played him hard, and there was no way he could have been booked under those same circumstances. You know that, too. Honestly, this whole thing feels like just another attempt to play the victim, which is a role you’ve been playing far too often lately.
Henry Hernandez7 Henry Hernandez7 Active MemberOP
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joined Apr 2014
#19 ·
Ryan Vaughn7 said:There’s just no way he could’ve pulled that off on those grounds alone.

So you're basically admitting there's a level playing field issue here?
Ryan Vaughn7 Ryan Vaughn7 Active Member
154 messages
joined Jul 2009
#20 ·
Henry Hernandez7 said:So you're admitting there are people with special privileges?

Sure, I'll admit it—you’re clearly the one sitting pretty here, while he isn't. On a side note, that halftime bet on the football game I mentioned to you a few months back? It's still on the table if you're interested.

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