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Rhinoplasty: Experiences and recovery tips?

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Tyler James5 Tyler James5 Active Member
142 messages
joined Jul 2012
#601 ·
Betty Edwards22 said:...

Doctors only prescribe Heparin gel for rhinoplasty when you're going full-on septorhinoplasty... basically when they've done enough osteotomies to cause those nasty bruises or blood clots that the body eventually just breaks down on its own, though it takes a bit longer... plus, sometimes it's just for pure aesthetics...

Yeah, thanks for confirming that. I was actually talking about getting those bruises and the swelling to clear up faster, mostly just for the looks of it... you know, purely for aesthetic reasons...

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Jesse Sanchez90 Jesse Sanchez90 Active Member
66 messages
joined Feb 2013
#602 ·
Donna Johnson16 said:Yes, thanks for confirming. My original question was actually focused on speeding up the recovery from bruising and swelling, purely for aesthetic reasons.

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On the contrary—I’m not "confirming" anything; I’m just pointing out how much you clearly don't understand this subject.

You still aren't getting it—you don't apply heparin to your nose.
There isn't any bruising there to fix, and heparin isn't going to do anything for swelling in that area.

So, please, stop messing around with medical advice when you don't even grasp how it works.
Tyler James5 Tyler James5 Active Member
142 messages
joined Jul 2012
#603 ·
Alexander Mendoza21 said:How long does all that swelling and bruising last—everything you see right away? Will it clear up in a month? I’m thinking about the bruises, the swelling, and whatever else ends up showing on my face...

I'm asking because of work schedules... wondering if I can coordinate things properly.

Donna Johnson16 said:Swelling isn't the same for everyone, so you might just have to gauge it based on how you've healed from injuries before, or how fast you usually bounce back.

It really comes down to how much it matters to you to get the procedure done before anyone sees you, versus letting people see you while you look a little puffy. A gentle facial massage using Heparin cream can help bring that swelling down faster.

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Donna Johnson16 said:There's a video on YouTube called Tanak face massage (part 1 and 2) that shows an awesome lymphatic drainage technique for the face (sorry, I can't drop a link right now, but you'll find it easily).

Start doing that gently maybe 3 or 4 days after the surgery (the massage with the Heparin cream), and it should speed up your recovery as much as possible. Drinking tons of water and staying active (walking) helps a lot too.

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Betty Edwards22 said:On the contrary—I'm not "confirming" anything, I'm just pointing out how clueless you are about how this actually works.

You still don't get it—you don't go rubbing Heparin on your nose.
There aren't even any bruises there, and Heparin doesn't fix swelling.

So stop messing around with medical advice when you clearly don't understand what it's supposed to do.

Okay, this has gone on long enough. Seriously, go back and read what I actually wrote one more time. You honestly think the method I'm suggesting could somehow mess up the healing process?

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Jesse Sanchez90 Jesse Sanchez90 Active Member
66 messages
joined Feb 2013
#604 ·
Donna Johnson16 said:This has been going on long enough. Please, just take a second to re-read what I actually wrote. Do you honestly think the specific approach I’m suggesting could somehow hinder the recovery process?

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Look, I specifically said that applying Heparin over large areas isn't recommended, which is exactly why I asked you to be more precise about what is being applied and how.
Instead of clarifying, you seem more interested in twisting my words.
Hypothetically speaking—and considering the physiological mechanism here, which seems to be escaping your understanding—applying it to much larger surface areas could potentially cause issues.

As for those Tanak massages, the instructions are perfectly clear and leave no room for doubt: just use a standard moisturizer.
Tyler James5 Tyler James5 Active Member
142 messages
joined Jul 2012
#605 ·
Betty Edwards22 said:I'm saying widespread use of Heparin cream isn't recommended, which is why I told you to clarify exactly WHAT is being applied/rubbed on.
But instead, you're just busy twisting my words.
Hypothetically speaking—and keeping in mind a mechanism you clearly don't grasp—applying it over large areas could be problematic.

As for that Tanak massage, it clearly and unequivocally specifies using a regular cream.

Look, I’m not questioning your massive expertise here—seriously, credit where it's due, you know WAY more about nose surgery than I ever will (not being sarcastic, I mean it).

But can we try to get back to the spirit of this forum, where everyone actually gets a say? This isn't your private sandbox, sorry. You gotta let other people participate too.

And when I quoted your posts, I didn't twist a single damn word. Applying Heparin cream to the face during a post-nose job massage isn't "widespread," nor is it some crazy, dangerous, or overpriced thing.

If I offer a specific piece of advice to someone asking a question, and you happen to disagree, if we want everyone to actually benefit and learn something, you could just say something like:

- "Alexander Mendoza21, don't use that cream for more than a week, and only rub it on the fatty areas under the eyes;"

- or: "don't use that cream at all because you could just as easily use... margarine, whatever."

- or: you could suggest a totally different method to help the guy speed up his recovery before he heads off to college.

- or you could just think to yourself, "wow, look at the idiots posting here, now this guy's gonna be rubbing this stuff on his breakfast toast for the next two years and end up poisoned because Donna Johnson16 was so vague," and just... not say anything.

Anything else is just useless to everyone.

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Jesse Sanchez90 Jesse Sanchez90 Active Member
66 messages
joined Feb 2013
#606 ·
Donna Johnson16 said:I’m not questioning your absolute expertise here—honestly, props to you, you know WAY more about nose surgeries than I ever will (and I’m being serious, not sarcastic).

But, can we try to get back to the spirit of this forum, where everyone actually gets a say? This isn't your private sandbox, sorry. You have to let other people participate too.

And just so we're clear, I didn't twist a single word of your posts when quoting them. Using Heparin cream on the face for massages after a nose job isn't "widespread," nor is it some crazy, unheard-of, dangerous, or expensive thing.

If I offer a specific piece of advice to someone asking a question, and you disagree with it, if we want us all to actually benefit and learn something together, you could just say something like:

- "Hey, don't use that cream for more than a week, and only apply it to the fatty areas under the eyes."

- Or: "Don't use that cream at all; you might as well just use... margarine, whatever."

- Or: "Maybe try this other method so the guy can speed up his recovery before he heads off to college."

- Or you could just think to yourself, "Wow, look at the nonsense people post here; now this guy is going to rub this on his breakfast toast for the next two years and poison himself because silly old Donna Johnson16 wasn't clear enough," and then just stay quiet.

Anything else doesn't help anyone.

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Ha, listen—stubbornly defending your own ignorance is one thing, and honestly, it doesn't bother me personally, but when you start giving advice that could be potentially dangerous, that's a problem. Like Lao Tzu said: He who knows does not speak, and he who speaks does not know—watch out, because that's dangerous!

If you had just stuck to what you started with—natural massage techniques without messing around with pharmacological agents—we wouldn't even be having this long conversation. But your stubbornness in the wrong direction has led you down a very avoidable path.

Second, don't act sweet to my face only to stab me in the back. Being "superior" has nothing to do with this; we aren't talking about playground hierarchies here, we're talking about health. Don't play the martyr.
Until you realize there’s a reason why you need qualifications—or at least the decency to listen when someone corrects you (first out of kindness, and then when they have to call you out)—you're going to struggle. It's like walking up to a cop on the street and saying, "Look, I know you went to academy and all, but bear with me while I cross this busy intersection illegally right in front of you"—just because it's *your* little playground. That's dangerous. It's relative, sure, but you know when was the last time someone...

Applying Heparin cream is NOT harmless, and I'm sure you won't find some random blog post online to tell you otherwise. You're insisting on your own ignorance by downplaying the effects of various substances (whose functions you don't even understand)—and you sleep just fine.
Personally, I'd be pretty worried about my own psychological profile.

So, do us all a favor and just pick an option:
a) "I'm sorry, I didn't mean to: my mistake, etc."

b) "I don't take responsibility; I take medicine and health lightly, so I don't really care about you guys."

As for me, dealing with you would be quite a chore, so expect more corrections if you keep insisting on amateur interpretations or twisting actual scientific knowledge (not mine, but established science).

Au revoir... 😍
melloworca6 melloworca6 Regular
551 messages
joined May 2010
#607 ·
Enough with the bickering, get back to the point.
Alexander Mendoza21 Alexander Mendoza21 Member
11 messages
joined Aug 2012
#608 ·
Ladies, relax, it's just like going to the dentist 🙂 !

Thanks for the input 🙂 !
Gregory Barnes5 Gregory Barnes5 Member
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joined Aug 2017
#609 ·
Elizabeth Fox57 said:Look, it's not that I don't believe you—I just know absolutely nothing about hair stuff. I was just wondering if anyone else went through this... I know I need to chill, but seeing that massive clump of hair CONSTANTLY falling out? It's terrifying...

If it’s actually getting bad, go see a dermatologist and tell them what's happening. In the meantime, grab some hair vitamins, those Vichy ampoules, or a decent shampoo—that should help 🙂. My friend actually broke out in acne all over her face for the first time ever right after surgery. Just the body reacting to the shock.
Elizabeth Fox57 Elizabeth Fox57 Member
39 messages
joined Sep 2011
#610 ·
Megan Moore76 said:If things really seem alarming, you should head to a dermatologist and walk them through everything happening. In the meantime, some hair vitamins, Vichy ampoules, and a good shampoo might help 🙂. I have a friend who developed facial acne for the very first time right after surgery—it was just her body reacting to the shock of the procedure.

Thanks... I actually already picked up the ampoules and the shampoo, and I have an appointment with the dermatologist in about a month... I'm just hoping everything stabilizes soon... it’s still shedding quite a bit, but honestly, stressing over it only makes things worse... I've managed to calm down a little 😉
Scott Harris95 Scott Harris95 Newcomer
1 message
joined Aug 2012
#611 ·
Hi everyone!

Has anyone here had nose surgery at the Bagatin clinic, and if so, were you happy with the results? I've been searching the forums, but I'm having a hard time finding much info on them.
Kate Nguyen40 Kate Nguyen40 Newcomer
6 messages
joined Apr 2012
#612 ·
Hey everyone!
Does anyone know how likely it is that the tip of the nose was supposedly narrowed during surgery, yet remains too wide because of skin thickness? Basically, can skin thickness actually have that much of an impact on the final result?
Elizabeth Fox57 Elizabeth Fox57 Member
39 messages
joined Sep 2011
#613 ·
In my personal view—and please keep in mind, I’m certainly not a medical professional here—the only thing that would explain why the tip seems so wide is swelling. I honestly have no idea how thick the skin would actually need to be for that to be the culprit... but again, that’s just my two cents...
Alexander Mendoza21 Alexander Mendoza21 Member
11 messages
joined Aug 2012
#614 ·
I want to know about the diet after surgery. Can I eat normally?

Look, I don't want to lose 😁 this weight I just put on. Is it possible to eat chicken and other heavy foods instead of those useless soups and stuff?
Jesse Sanchez90 Jesse Sanchez90 Active Member
66 messages
joined Feb 2013
#615 ·
Alexander Mendoza21 said:I'm really curious about what the diet looks like after surgery—can you actually eat normally?

Honestly, I’d hate to lose 😁 this little bit of weight I managed to put on. Is it okay to eat things like chicken or other solid foods, rather than just being stuck with boring, tasteless soups all day?

Unless you're planning on stuffing your face constantly, I don't really see the issue with your question.)😉
Alexander Mendoza21 Alexander Mendoza21 Member
11 messages
joined Aug 2012
#616 ·
A lot of people claim they can't eat, or even swallow their own saliva.

They're struggling to swallow after the surgery. Unbelievable.
I wonder how many days they've been stuck like this 😳!

I've also heard reports of some patients vomiting and running fevers.
Jesse Sanchez90 Jesse Sanchez90 Active Member
66 messages
joined Feb 2013
#617 ·
Everyone's got an opinion lately...😉
Elizabeth Fox57 Elizabeth Fox57 Member
39 messages
joined Sep 2011
#618 ·
@ Alexander Mendoza21 — I honestly think it all comes down to the individual... it really depends on how your body handles anesthesia, if you have any allergies, whether you smoke, and things like that. It’s true that some people deal with nausea after being put under, but they typically use medication to prevent that—so it’s actually pretty rare. Even if it does happen, it doesn't last long because they can just give you something else to settle your stomach. As for running a fever, that could be a sign of an infection, which isn't great, so you absolutely have to let your surgeon know right away. In my case, I couldn't eat anything for a full day after the surgery; my lip was totally numb, so chewing was a real struggle. That first day, I think I managed maybe three yogurts... but everything went back to normal after that, even though I was chewing *so* slowly... and I couldn't taste anything for about five days, which was incredibly annoying :P

I remember reading somewhere that food shouldn't be too hot or too cold, but my doctors told me there weren't really any restrictions on what I could eat... the main thing is just watching your salt intake. If you have too much sodium in your system, the swelling tends to linger longer. Also, you see a lot online saying you shouldn't smoke for a month before and a month after the procedure... I ended up smoking an hour before surgery and for three days afterward. It definitely impacts your recovery, but well, life happens... :/
Elizabeth Fox57 Elizabeth Fox57 Member
39 messages
joined Sep 2011
#619 ·
@ Betty Edwards22 — were you also there for the surgery???
Jesse Sanchez90 Jesse Sanchez90 Active Member
66 messages
joined Feb 2013
#620 ·
Elizabeth Fox57 said:@ Betty Edwards22 - did you have surgery too???


Wait, did I?

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