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Why hasn't TurbulentFluid been banned for hate speech yet??

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James Patel20 James Patel20 Active MemberOP
53 messages
joined Jan 2012
#1 ·
This obvious hate speech wasn't actually banned, the whole post was just deleted instead.

TurbulentFluid said:Oh, my clueless diaspora friends...

Come live in America if you’re going to throw around this kind of demagoguery. You’ll probably end up fighting for your life every single day, maybe even two! 😂

It’s always the same, just some person living abroad lecturing us. Back in the nineties, Democratic Party meetings used to happen right in my basement. Do you understand? My basement. Right up until the day some heavily intoxicated local from the Patriot Party showed up at my door—I was only twelve at the time—shoved an AK-47 in my face and tried to force me to tell them where the red radicals were hiding. Luckily, they weren't in the basement at that moment. No, we didn't have armories lying around here, why would we?

Just this year, a few girls and guys met up at Times Square holding a couple of little signs, stuff like "Better death than the Republican Party" or "Against the Republicans," just small things. In the rest of the world, nobody would even notice. But here, some tough guy in his late fifties or sixties starts physically attacking a girl who’s maybe eighteen or twenty, someone who barely weighs a hundred pounds!!!! Do you honestly think protesting in America is a joke???

I remember being at a protest for the Communist Party and a women's rights group in Vienna, something about women's rights, where they were carrying balloons and tying them to dogs! Do you have any idea how much blood would be spilled in this infected country if someone just put on a red shirt and went out to protest??? Local thugs would kill them on sight!!! Even in the US, people constantly pray that Pride parades don't happen because they have to call in extra police reinforcements from other states!

Do you know who the only ones allowed to protest in America are? Huh? Do you know? No, you don't, because you've never actually seen the US in your entire life except on a postcard, and even then you're talking nonsense. The only people allowed to protest are those living abroad, and even then, only when the Republican Party calls for them.

And you're acting like such a genius, even though just twenty posts ago you wrote that all our politicians are exactly the same, and now you're complaining about us protesting. I mean, what's the point of protesting if everyone is the same anyway???

So, please, stop acting so wise. 🤦
Just leave us common folk alone and go back to your civilized society. Believe me, really, things are bad enough here without refugees from a Munich battalion coming in to make our lives even more miserable.

And then they ask me, "Why don't you love our people abroad?" Well, it's a good thing we don't kill you all! People over here are dying because they have to wait four months for a heart stent, while you lot find the energy to start a crusade?! Just get lost and leave us be.

PS.
And please, tell me where exactly people are being burned at the stake for injustice? It doesn't ring a bell. Berlusconi just left office, and even then, it was Brussels that ousted him. That guy in Greece, Papandreu, ruined his entire country, yet he's still in power. In the US, people protest about the stock market, but nobody actually moves a muscle. They've been without a functioning government for nearly a year there, and still, nothing happens. What are you even talking about? If the world is so great, then just leave us alone. We never asked for anything, and just because your ancestors happened to wander through American soil, it doesn't make it relevant to us.

If this doesn't deserve at least a three-day ban, then there is clearly a double standard in how this forum is moderated!

I am asking the Admin to pass judgment on this!
hollowtrucker77 hollowtrucker77 Regular
681 messages
joined Nov 2007
#2 ·
honestly, this is just an absolute disgrace
Daniel Ward87 Daniel Ward87 Active Member
195 messages
joined May 2023
#3 ·
Now he’s just a total lightweight.
hiddenmoose16 hiddenmoose16 Newcomer
8 messages
joined Aug 2012
#4 ·
Who deleted this post without giving them a ban?

Let's take a guess...
cosmicrider5 cosmicrider5 Newcomer
6 messages
joined May 2010
#5 ·
hollowtrucker77 said:This is honestly an embarrassment.

I think we have to admit, we’re being a little hypocritical here.

http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/7113/zgsash.jpg

I honestly wish the former Admin would just take a breather and stop weighing in on the PŽK threads. To be blunt, his style of posting isn't exactly the gold standard for civilized discussion, either. Besides, since he doesn't hold an admin or moderator role anymore, his opinion on anyone else's bans or account status really shouldn't carry any weight.
It would also be quite helpful to find out whose clones James Patel20 and hiddenmoose16 actually are. To be honest, I highly doubt anyone with only about twenty posts has even realized that the PŽK exists, let alone reached a level where they could start guessing which political moderator might be responsible for a specific moderation style. I’ve personally jumped into the debate on this topic before, and I might do so again—but I really have no desire to end up in a loop arguing with the same individual hiding behind two or more different nicknames. I'd much rather stay consistent with myself.

Merry Christmas to everyone, whether you're right here in the States or celebrating abroad!
rustydrifter10 rustydrifter10 Regular
693 messages
joined Apr 2011
#6 ·
cosmicrider5 said:Honestly, I really wish the former admin would just chill out when it comes to commenting on the PŽK section, because let's be real—his style of posting isn't exactly the gold standard for a civilized conversation either.


Look, former staff members have every right to post on this forum, including over in the PŽK area. They’re allowed to vent or share their frustrations just like anyone else.

I’ve jumped into the debate on this topic myself, and I might keep doing so, but I really wouldn't want to find myself stuck arguing with someone who’s hiding behind two or more different handles, essentially just agreeing with themselves and all that.

Using multiple accounts in a single thread is strictly against the rules, and I'm pretty confident the moderators over at Politics are keeping a close eye on that kind of thing.

Merry Christmas to everyone, whether you're here in America or living abroad!


I'll definitely jump in and echo those lovely wishes. 🙂
Jerry Robinson56 Jerry Robinson56 Regular
320 messages
joined Apr 2013
#7 ·
I would appreciate some clarification on why this was flagged as hate speech.

The reality is that the post simply provides a blunt description of the facts. It was an excellent, sincere contribution by TurbulentFluid. In my view, deleting the post was unjust enough, but issuing a permanent ban based on distorted quotes is even worse. Where exactly is the hate speech?

It would be far more interesting to see the original post from the "booster" involved—someone who clearly fails to grasp the difference between well-intentioned advice and actual vitriol.
They are simply turning a blind eye.

Consequently, I am asking those in power to refrain from banning posts of this nature.
Daniel Ward87 Daniel Ward87 Active Member
195 messages
joined May 2023
#8 ·
Jerry Robinson56 said:Can someone explain how this counts as hate speech?

It’s really just a blunt way of describing the reality we're seeing. Honestly, TurbulentFluid wrote an excellent, honest post. It feels totally unfair that they got hit with a deleted post, let alone a ban based on twisted quotes. Where exactly is the hate speech?
I bet it would be pretty eye-opening to see the original post from that "buster" guy.

You're kind of blowing the controversial part of the post out of proportion.
Jerry Robinson56 Jerry Robinson56 Regular
320 messages
joined Apr 2013
#9 ·
You certainly are in a rush 😉

Regardless, that was just a comment regarding TurbulentFluid. What has the diaspora actually contributed to us, and what have we provided for them?
My intention isn't to engage in a debate over whether that statement is justified; rather, I am simply posing a thought, not issuing a call to action.
Disliking someone does not equate to hating them.
You rightly pointed out how contentious this is, though that only applies to those who lack the temperament to handle words.
If a forum user like James Patel20—and I mean this without any ill intent—were found knocked unconscious, they could at least ask why such a response was initiated in the first place.
James Patel20 James Patel20 Active MemberOP
53 messages
joined Jan 2012
#10 ·
Jerry Robinson56 said:If a forum member like James Patel20—who clearly wasn't acting with any real intention—was found knocked out, he could have at least asked why such a response was triggered in the first place...

It seems you aren't quite "knocked out" yet on the thread where I replied to you, so you've sort of wandered over here, feeling a bit dazed, following my profile trail until you landed right here... If you truly want more, this isn't the place or the time for it, so I suppose we'll just see each other again soon back on that original thread where I left you in a bit of a knockdown state... Still, in the spirit of fair play, I want to wish you a Merry Christmas!

😉

As far as I'm concerned, this whole thread can be locked up tight...
Jerry Robinson56 Jerry Robinson56 Regular
320 messages
joined Apr 2013
#11 ·
🙂 As per tradition—if I may be so bold as to write this out—to my esteemed user,

We are dealing here with a matter of textual interpretation and an unusual request on your part that simply lacks foundation. I believe you are mature enough to accept the truth as she wrote it.
A few weeks ago, I had an encounter with TurbulentFluid where I actually suggested she adopt a more laminar flow in her prose, given that she had expressed dissatisfaction with my own writing style. Therefore, this response is intended solely as a reflection upon her. Behind these words, there are actual human beings.
Experience dictates that you will inevitably encounter far more complex concepts, and since the moderators already have their hands full, one might attempt to use their words to craft a more aromatic text.

Merry Christmas to you as well.
hollowtrucker77 hollowtrucker77 Regular
681 messages
joined Nov 2007
#12 ·
cosmicrider5 said:We’re being a bit hypocritical here.

http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/7113/zgsash.jpg

I really wish the former admin would just hold back on these comments regarding the PŽK because, frankly, his style of writing isn't exactly the gold standard for civilized discourse either. And while we're on the subject, since he doesn't hold an admin or moderator position anymore, the fact that other people are getting banned doesn't have anything to do with him at all.
It would also be nice to figure out who exactly is behind the clones James Patel20 and hiddenmoose16. Honestly, I find it hard to believe that anyone with, say, twenty posts under their belt has even realized the PŽK exists, let alone reached a level where they feel qualified to speculate on which political moderator might be responsible for specific moderation decisions. I’ve been part of this debate myself and I plan to keep participating, though I have zero interest in getting stuck in a loop arguing with the same person hiding behind two or more different handles just to agree with themselves and move on.

Merry Christmas to everyone, whether you're here in America or living abroad!

yeah, you really are
and quite significantly too.
Patrick Miller3 Patrick Miller3 Member
22 messages
joined Jan 2012
#13 ·
...personally, I don't see hate speech here—just a free, artistic way of expressing oneself where certain blunt terms are used simply to "amplify"

..for instance, if we’re discussing economics and someone replies... oh, poor things, you Americans are such an ignorant people, so your economy is blah blah blah....

I don't think anyone in a text like this intends to spread actual HATRED against another nation; they're just speaking candidly, like a casual conversation "on the street." That kind of talk happens every day—but apparently, we have a bunch of sensitive prima donnas here in their tattered ballet slippers and ripped leggings.

That post by hollowtrucker77 from the other forum is hilarious to me. I'm 100% certain that was the intention, though I'll admit Saša was just as good at peddling demagoguery back when he was the head Admin.

...what I'm trying to say is that we all have blood under our skin. We shouldn't have virtual force forced upon us—mindlessly throwing around bans as if Admin Sm or the moderators were gods on Olympus.
hollowtrucker77 hollowtrucker77 Regular
681 messages
joined Nov 2007
#14 ·
I honestly can’t tell exactly when I became the topic of conversation here, but since I’ve already landed on the stage—fine—I’ll say it: I would much rather see someone with actual stature and vitality in office than deal with this pathetic little runner we’re unfortunate enough to call President
Amy Castillo4 Amy Castillo4 Active Member
72 messages
joined Dec 2011
#15 ·
Patrick Miller3 said:personally, I don't see hate speech here—just some unrestrained, artistic verbal expression...

See what I mean now?

And then they have the nerve to ask me, "Well, how can you not love our Jewish people?" Honestly, it's a miracle we haven't started a riot yet.
Daniel Ward87 Daniel Ward87 Active Member
195 messages
joined May 2023
#16 ·
Case closed

🙂

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