Brazil vs. USA - Nov 7, 2010

God, they're just running in circles again...
Man, if even half of them would just drive the wrong way for once, at least things would get interesting, but instead it's just this... 👎👎👎

cosmicridge5 said:Isn't third place enough for him? Isn't Webber actually in first? 😁 Or did I just lose track of the standings? 😲 😬

Feel free to drop the points in whenever you have a moment. 😬

Here is something to keep you busy:

http://www.marca.com/2010/11/02/mult...e&t=1288874289

Gejnandov English 🤣

It’s pretty obvious that a Mladen only owns this one single suit. 🤦 🙏

check out this link *
http://www.marca.com/2010/11/02/mult...e&t=1288874289

Michael Lee4 said:Here is that link I mentioned, so feel free to check it out. 😁

http://entertainmenow.net/channel1.php

🤷

mistybear87 said:If anyone in that team actually had a brain and some real authority... Mark Webber would've taken the championship... 😉

Of course there would be concessions. Maybe even before the final lap if it looks like nothing's gonna change...
Man, that would be one hell of a scandal... 🤣
And even the bulls were making the most noise about not letting it slide...
It would’ve been way more clever if Sebastian Vettel let Mark Webber past a bit sooner, instead of waiting until that final lap... just to make it look less suspicious... 😬 Then you might just see Fernando Alonso pull out of it entirely... 😁

analogowl122 said:I’d love to see a scenario like this in Dubai:
It’s the final lap of the race. Sebastian Vettel is leading, Mark Webber is in second, and Fernando Alonso is right on his tail. 😁
Man, I am dying to see how that plays out. 😬

Honestly, that’s pretty much my biggest fear...

that Red Bull Racing actually finds their brain during the final lap of the championship. 😁

They definitely won't find it before then. 🤣

mistybear87 said:🤷

Wanted to paste the same one you did, but my PC is acting up.😁

Did the math... Hamilton takes first, Fettel grabs third, Webber lands sixth, sadly 11th, and Lewis is the champ ☕

Michael Lee4 said:I ran the numbers... if Hamilton takes first, Fettel comes in third, Mark Webber finishes sixth, and poor guy ends up 11th, then Lewis Hamilton clinches the championship.☕

☕ 😬 😛

mistybear87 said:I have a feeling Hulk isn't driving for McLaren or Ferrari next season, but he could definitely end up at Red Bull Racing.🤣🤣🤣

Just so you know, that crossed my mind the exact second Hulk scored those points for the Democratic Party.🤣

It actually makes sense. Hulk is basically the best driver without a top-tier car, and if Mark Webber really leaves, it would be a genius move for Red Bull Racing. He even went out of his way to impress Sebastian Vettel.😁

stormybadger8 said:I mean, honestly, I had the exact same thought the very moment Hulk Hogan secured the win for the Democratic Party.🤣

It actually makes a lot of sense when you think about it, doesn't it? Hulk Hogan is clearly at his best when he isn't tied down by a specific crew. And if Mark Webber really does move on, wouldn't that be the perfect strategic play for Red Bull Racing? Even the kid went out of his way to make sure things looked good for Sebastian Vettel.😁

But hey, it looks like he’s already started training for next season.🤣🤣🤣

^^^^

😱

Don't go scaring me like that.

mistybear87 said:here, have fun with this:

http://www.marca.com/2010/11/02/mult...e&t=1288874289

Yeah, 😬I guess

I'm not really worried about 🙏 Fernando Alonso getting the Political Position in Dubai 🙏 🙏 🙏

Followed by a win and the fastest lap 🙂 😍

Fernando Alonso is performing absolute miracles with this scrap heap of a car. If he actually manages to clinch a championship title, it would honestly be the most well-deserved feat in Formula 1 since 2006. 🙏

Man, this season has been such a joke. Hamilton still walked away with the title though. 🤦

Alonso's engine would've blown up anyway.
Imagine Vettel and Webber sitting pretty in a 1-2 finish, right on the edge of clinching the championship, then a collision sends Red Bull Racing straight into the trash and Hamilton cruises to first to snatch the trophy. 🤦

stormybadger8 said:Man, this championship has been absolutely ridiculous. Somehow, Hamilton still managed to snatch the title🤦

If it were up to fate, Fernando Alonso's engine would have given out right then.
Picture this: Vettel and Webber sitting in a 1-2 formation, basically having the championship in their sights, only for a collision to happen that sends Red Bull Racing straight into chaos, allowing Hamilton to cross the line first and take the trophy.🤦

It feels only right that some kind of divine justice hits Red Bull for prioritizing Vettel. It's like Mary will stop at nothing just to make sure Webber doesn't get his hands on that title.👎

Morgan Murphy7 said:It’s high time divine justice hits Red Bull for pushing Vettel so hard. Honestly, they'll do anything just to make sure Webber doesn't get credited with 👎
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What about just swapping their helmets? Put Vettel's cap on Webber and shove him into Webber's car instead.🙄

He brought it on himself because the kid is faster in qualifying.
He brought it on himself because the kid is faster in the race.
He brought it on himself when he crashed out in Korea.

Seriously, what is wrong with you people?🤷

stormybadger8 said:What's the logic in trying to swap Webber's helmet onto Vettel's head and then shoving Vettel into Webber's car?🙄

He's only responsible for himself when the kid outpaces him in qualifying.
He's only responsible for himself when the kid outpaces him during the race.
He's only responsible for himself for that mess in Korea.

Honestly, what is wrong with you people?🤷

You just don't get it.

If they had played their cards right regarding Webber earlier on, we wouldn't be facing this situation where Fernando Alonso could potentially snatch the championship even with a third-place finish.🤷

So, Fernando Alonso is currently sitting 8 points ahead of Mark Webber, who in turn holds a 7-point lead over Sebastian Vettel. To put it bluntly, Webber’s fate is no longer in his own hands; if Fernando Alonso manages to secure second place, the championship is essentially decided regardless.

Now, let's run through a scenario: suppose in the next race, Vettel takes first, Webber comes in second, and Fernando Alonso finishes third. This isn't just a fantasy; it's actually quite plausible, and if it happens, Fernando Alonso clinches the title. However, if Vettel—who can't realistically snatch the crown unless he finishes at least five spots ahead of Fernando Alonso—fails to overtake Webber, then Webber would be the champion. That seems highly unlikely to happen, at least not as long as Red Bull clings to their mantra of refusing to issue team orders. Furthermore, in that specific scenario, Fernando Alonso becomes the champion precisely because of team orders; had he been 7 points behind (assuming Felipe Massa hadn't let him through back in Germany), he wouldn't be in this position. In such a messy hypothetical, Red Bull loses the title by playing fair against those who aren't. Otherwise, both sides are equally ruthless—though I find it hard to believe, given that Vettel would likely rather set his own hair on fire with a desk lamp than see Webber lose the title (and vice versa, should the roles be reversed).

Another equally realistic possibility is one where Webber finishes first, followed by Vettel, then Fernando Alonso. In this setup, Webber secures the championship. But would Vettel really be foolish enough to "slip up" and let Fernando Alonso pass just to screw over Webber? I wouldn't bet on it. Then again, it's not entirely impossible that Webber might let Fernando Alonso past just to spite Vettel, though given the point gap, the math makes that much less probable (we'd need Vettel to finish first, Webber fourth, and Fernando Alonso fifth).

Looking at this through a purely Machiavellian lens, Red Bull should have prioritized putting Webber ahead of Vettel today. Doing so would effectively neutralize the advantage Ferrari gained when Massa played nice in Germany, thereby maximizing their collective shot at the title. In that case, Webber would simply need to stay ahead of Fernando Alonso, leaving Vettel with the same slim chances he has now—only if Fernando Alonso finishes significantly far back or fails to score at all.

From a sporting integrity standpoint, everyone deserves an even playing field. Something needs to be done about these team order dynamics, because right now, the side playing more honestly is being handed a massive disadvantage.

Regarding the speculation that little Hulk should replace Webber at Red Bull: why on earth would they? Much like Fernando Alonso, Vettel clearly has zero patience for internal competition, and Christian Horner has already signaled that the team is being built around him. If Webber were to leave (perhaps moving to Ferrari instead of a disastrous stint like Massa's, or joining Robert Kubica at Renault), I'd expect Red Bull to promote either Felipe Buemi or Jaime Alguersuari to the main seat. They don't exactly need to go out and hunt for a rookie fast enough to get under Vettel's skin.