2010 Bahrain Grand Prix

Ryan Gomez4 · 2010-03-14T17:05:35+00:00

Looks like we're in for a season full of breakdowns...

hollowgull5 Active Member

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#121 · Mar 15, 2010

Joshua Newman2🙏🙏🙏

props to you for putting the words down, but honestly, I'm just not feeling what was actually written 🤣

Arthur Roberts12 Member

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#122 · Mar 15, 2010

how did you feel about putting all that down in writing🙏🙏🙏

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#123 · Mar 15, 2010

Joshua Newman2 🤣🤣🤣🤣🙏🙏

"I'm my own damn race engineer" 🤣

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#124 · Mar 15, 2010

Thomas Rogers said:Take it easy, Ferrari fans. Even your engines aren't performing the way they should. 🙂

It’s nice to be quoted again, and seeing that smiling face of yours doesn't hurt either.

Forget the worries for now. It’s the first race, a double win, and the result was way beyond anything anyone expected. We're going to celebrate this one big time, at least until the next race rolls around.

Fe, Fe, Fe ...
What I saw today actually gives me a little bit of hope. Maybe the title could finally be ours.
It’s like night and day compared to last year.

Plus, it’s 2010—the year of the World Cup. Last time around, back in 2006, it was Fernando who took it all, our very own Fernando. And if you look at 2007, a new driver kicked things off with a win and ended up walking away with the championship.

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#125 · Mar 15, 2010

Arthur Roberts12 said:It’s funny how you can have four cars running Renault engines, and three of them work perfectly fine while only Vettel struggles.😉

Vettel needs to change up his driving style.

It’s actually pretty wild how much of a piece of work Christian Horner is.

Renault is easily the weakest engine on the grid.
Renault's breaking down again.
Nobody's even looking at Renault or Red Bull. ☕

God, they’re just that good. They’ll probably stick a Lada engine in a Renault and suddenly Robert Kubica will win the championship.

Renault is a joke.👎

Joshua Rivera56 said:Red Bull didn't learn a single damn thing all last season.
I have no clue who actually made the call on the engine. They should've ditched Renault and given Christian Horner a massive thank you while they were at it. Instead, half the pit wall is just sitting there looking green.That statement from the race engineer today? Total street gossip. You just don't say stuff like that during a race.
What's Gerhard Berger up to?

Honestly, if you’re asking me who I'd bet my money on for the 2010 championship, I'm still sticking with Vettel. Sure, Alonso could be a massive threat if he manages to pull ahead in the points during these first five or six races, but my money stays put.

Let's just wait for Europe; things will definitely be cooking by then.

Unfortunately, it's the absolute truth.👎

It’s pretty sad, but this season is basically over for Vettel. 😢

18 races—7 engines already. We're in deep trouble.😢

If Mathesic actually had any sense, they should have bought Force India and offloaded Renault onto them, then snagged Mercedes for Red Bull. ☕

Gerhard Berger is light years ahead of Christian Horner.☕

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#126 · Mar 15, 2010

stormybadger8 said:rather than constantly inventing some new track for every single season, I suppose they should just ban all of Tilke's circuits entirely and call it a day.

I am somewhat concerned that the issue has become much more widespread than we realize. If one were to actually close down all of Tilke's tracks, God knows how many venues would even be left on the calendar:

Sepang International Circuit, Malaysia
Bahrain International Circuit, Bahrain
Shanghai International Circuit, China
Istanbul Park Racing Circuit, Turkey
Marina Bay street Circuit Concept, Singapore
Valencia Street Circuit, Spain
Yas Marina Circuit, Abu Dhabi, UAE.

And then there is also the matter of the reconstructions of the Nürburgring and the A1-Ring. Though, I guess people would simply have to travel to Grobnik for the races.😁

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#127 · Mar 15, 2010

Arthur Roberts12 said:I'm just saying this only happens to him, even though there are 4 cars on the track running a Renault engine.

It doesn't feel like a coincidence to me anymore.

Of course it isn't a coincidence.☕

First off, when Nelson Piquet's engine actually failed...🤣
that guy either hit a wall or spun out, or he was basically driving at half throttle the whole race.🙄They could have slapped a lawnmower engine in his car and he wouldn't have had any issues.😂
Second, if I remember correctly, Mark Webber's engines used to blow—not during the race, but during practice sessions.

Unless this whole thing is actually a setup to trip up Ferrari since they can't touch Mercedes. It’s not impossible that Renault cooked up this mess on purpose just to force the FIA to let them tweak the engine and boost power. Because looking at how things are going, it's highly likely Renault will soon be the worst engine on the grid. Cosworth isn't even that bad; who knows, they might actually be better than Renault.
🤦

Summing it all up:
http://www.formula1.com/results/seas...test_laps.html
4x Mercedes, 4x Ferrari, 1x Red Bull Renault, 1x Cosworth
all within the top 10 fastest cars.

Even both Force Indies and both STRs have better lap times than Renault, and that's with Robert Kubica in one of them.
😉
On top of that, besides Sebastian Vettel's car, as far as I know, only two more Renaults finished the race, and only one of those made it into the points in 8th place—and that specific car was smoking dangerously right at the start.
😢
All in all, Renault is trash again. At this rate, they'll be the worst engine on the grid this season.
The glory days and great engines are clearly long gone for Renault. Instead of learning a thing or two from Lada or Dacia, it looks like those guys taught Renault how to build absolute junk.

Poor Kubica. He'd probably have a better shot at winning a race in an FI or STR than in a Renault.👎

😢

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#128 · Mar 15, 2010

If Vettel's engine hadn't given up on him, Alonso would have absolutely gutted him on that track... you could clearly see he was finding more pace with every single lap, closing the gap relentlessly. Of course, the tires take their toll and he had to retire, but only someone truly naive would suggest he wouldn't have gone for the kill in those final nine laps.
It really would have been quite the spectacle, and I find myself regretting that I wasn't there to witness what was coming next...😉

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#129 · Mar 15, 2010

I can seriously not wrap my head around how anyone claims those Italians actually built a decent car.
If my memory serves me right, every time they start looking like they might actually lead the pack, we're looking at a decade of absolute misery following close behind.
It’s been nothing but an exhausting struggle...🤮

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#130 · Mar 15, 2010

slynomad32 said:Can someone please explain how the Italians actually managed to put this car together?
If I remember correctly, once the Italians take the lead, they spend the next 10 years cleaning up their mess.
It was painful to watch the whole time.🤮>[/I]

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And yet, here we are, waiting for the inevitable follow-up post. 😬>

Regardless of Sebastian Vettel's engine issues—whether General Motors fixes them or just leaves us hanging—🙂>

if Sebastian Vettel doesn't snag the title because his car is falling apart, it’ll go to Rosberg or Lewis Hamilton.🤔>

Ferrari is just swapping engines and calling it a day. Meanwhile, Mercedes-Benz is clearly leagues ahead of everyone else. Plus, McLaren will definitely step it up in the USA. Once the Las Vegas Grand Prix kicks off, expect Ferrari to settle for 6th or 8th place—which is exactly where they belong.😳>

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slynomad32 says:
[I]If Sebastian Vettel’s engine hadn't died, Fernando Alonso would have smoked him on track. You could see he was getting faster and closing the gap. Sure, the tires take a beating and he had to retire, but you'd have to be crazy not to think he would've made a move in those last 9 laps. That would've been a real show. Too bad I missed out on that.
That would've been a hell of a spectacle, and I'm bummed I didn't see what happened next.😉
Yeah, right. Like Alonso was anything close to catching him. 🙄

http://www.fia.com/en-GB/mediacentre...e-analysis.pdf>

It's pretty obvious Sebastian Vettel's car gave up the ghost on lap 33. Up until then, Felipe Massa was basically just as fast as Alonso and Sebastian. Maybe Alonso would've had trouble with Massa if his car hadn't started dying too. Our "genius" driver had more luck than brains; somehow winning with two half-broken cars and a significantly slower Lewis Hamilton trailing behind is some serious science.

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#131 · Mar 15, 2010

stormybadger8 said:but the post keeps going 😬

regardless of whether Sebastian Vettel's engine issues get sorted out by General Motors or if the trouble just persists 🙂

if Sebastian Vettel fails to take the title because his car is essentially falling apart, then it’ll go to either Rosberg or Lewis Hamilton 🤔

and since Ferrari is also swapping engines for both of them, plus the fact that Mercedes is clearly superior to everyone else... meanwhile, McLaren will surely step things up by the time we hit the USA. Once the Las Vegas Grand Prix gets moving, Ferrara will probably just settle for 6th or 8th place, which is right where they belong 😳

man, I swear Fernando Alonso was stealing my grandma's purse, you can believe that 🙄

http://www.fia.com/en-GB/mediacentre...e-analysis.pdf

It’s pretty obvious that Sebastian Vettel's car gave up the ghost on lap 33, and honestly, Felipe Massa was practically faster than him at that point. Maybe Alonso would have had some trouble keeping up with Mass, if his own car hadn't started dying on him too. That "Mr. 0.6" guy had more luck than actual sense... it’s quite the scientific feat to win with two half-functional cars and a noticeably slower Lewis Hamilton trailing behind

Something is definitely wrong with you 😕

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#132 · Mar 15, 2010

I'm feeling a bit nostalgic for the old days, honestly. Looking at modern F1, you see races where they pull off a single pit stop, yet the leader loses it all because of some tiny technical glitch. It’s going to be a great season. Classic.

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#133 · Mar 15, 2010

slynomad32 said:Something's definitely off with you.😕

Always has been. 😬

Look, I hate Ferrari. Kill me now if you must. 🤣

Look, saying Fernando Alonso could outpace Sebastian Vettel is just straight-up nonsense. Honestly, I can barely find the words to describe how ridiculous that takes.🤣

To pull that off, he’d need to be about two seconds faster per lap just to catch up. That’s basically impossible unless Sebastian Vettel makes a massive mistake or his car completely gives up on him. Everything else is just nonsense. Even Rosberg was 1.5 seconds faster per lap and still couldn't touch Sebastian Vettel—especially since his car was struggling on the straights. So, how exactly is Alonso going to make it happen? Explain that to me, assuming Vettel's car was actually running normally.😕

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#134 · Mar 15, 2010

stormybadger8 said:always 😬

Look, you can kill me if you want, but I'll always be a Ferrari fan 🤣

But seriously, saying Alonso could have overtaken Sebastian Vettel is just pure nonsense... nothing short of delusional, really... 🤣

To actually pull that off, he would’ve needed to be about two seconds faster per lap, which is just a fantasy unless Sebastian Vettel makes a massive mistake or his car breaks down... anything else is just fairy tales. Even Rosberg was faster by 1.5 seconds per lap and still couldn't touch him, especially since that car struggled so much on the straights... so how on earth could Alonso do it? Explain that to me, assuming Sebastian Vettel actually had a functioning car... 😕

Well, Alonso did close the gap to under a second at one point

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#135 · Mar 15, 2010

slynomad32 said:Yeah, he caught him by less than a second (Fernando Alonso)

So what? Mark Webber spent the whole race trailing Button 9 by less than a second, even snagging three fastest laps, while Button 9 was about 0.5 seconds slower. What's the point?🤣

Besides, Alonso was hanging within 2-3 seconds of Sebastian Vettel the entire time—sometimes more, sometimes less. That doesn't mean anything regarding an overtake. To actually pass someone, you need to be significantly faster, like maybe 2 seconds per lap. Sebastian Vettel had one lap that was over 5 seconds slower than Alonso. If his car had been just 1.5 to 2 seconds off instead of 5—roughly how he was running after 10 laps when Rosberg was trying to catch him—would Alonso have even stood a chance? Maybe. But Felipe Massa definitely wouldn't have.😉

Without that mechanical failure, the theory falls apart. Sadly, that’s just how racing looks today. For anyone to actually pass someone on track, they basically need:

- a massive driving error
- completely shredded tires
- a mechanical breakdown
- a momentary lapse in concentration while lapping backmarkers
- a much slower car

Unfortunately, under normal conditions, the top four teams—maybe even more—don't really have a shot at passing each other on track.

At the end of the day, it's nothing new. It was the same in previous seasons, except back then they could occasionally make a move with a blistering lap right before or after a pit stop. Now? You can forget about that.👎

If something doesn't change drastically, this is going to be a painfully boring season.

Nothing we were actually expecting has happened so far.😢

- No one ran out of fuel (wasn't even close)
- No one had tire failures or major rubber issues
- No one struggled with a heavy fuel load (no one went wide)

All in all, it's a total snooze fest.👎

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#136 · Mar 15, 2010

silvercobra68 said:It feels like we're leaning a bit too hard into nostalgia with this current era of F1. You've got single-stop strategies, and then the leader loses it all because of some tiny technical glitch. It’s going to be a "classic" season, I suppose.

In those old-school seasons, at least we had the drama of watching someone burn through their resources like Indira Gandhi🙄

I honestly can't remember the last time I tuned out of a race after just thirty minutes, but this? This is just painful.😢

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#137 · Mar 15, 2010

Back in '93, when they finally allowed refueling, they claimed it was all about making the racing more exciting—though they also threw out that safety excuse, saying a car sitting full of fuel is basically a rolling bomb if you crash.

Funny how history repeats itself, isn't it? Now they're bringing it back under the exact same pretense that it’ll somehow make things more thrilling.
It’s unbelievable...

Honestly, if we want actual action, they should just bring back the old ways:

1. Engine swaps—zero restrictions there.
2. Refueling—let them fill 'em up whenever.
3. Tire compounds—give them total freedom to switch types.

Sure, nobody would be "saving" money anymore. Teams would probably blow through an extra few dozen million bucks per season, but honestly, who cares...
...maybe five or six top-tier teams could actually afford it, just like they always have, and the rest of the grid is just filling space anyway—now, then, or in the future—regardless of whatever nonsense rules they cook up.

At the end of the day, Formula 1 was never meant to be a cheap sport.

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#138 · Mar 15, 2010

Frank Collins85 said:back in the classic seasons, we at least got to watch someone burn like Indira Gandhi🙄

I can't remember the last time I tuned out of a race after just thirty minutes, but this is pure garbage.😢

if you're looking for spectacle, crashes, and fires, go watch NASCAR instead.

silvercobra68 Active Member

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#139 · Mar 15, 2010

wiredtiger8 said:Simply put, we need to bring back the rules we used to have:

1. Engine changes - no restrictions
2. Refueling - no restrictions
3. Tire compound changes - no restrictions

Nothing needs changing except bringing back the old scoring system: 10-6-4-3-2-1

Because this current setup is a disaster—a total paradox. They claim the more a win is worth, the less the gap between first and second matters. But if a win is worth 25 points now, giving up becomes way too expensive. Everyone’s become paranoid; nobody can afford to retire, which completely kills any sense of risk. Just look at Mercedes; they switched to safe mode halfway through the race, eventually falling so far behind they couldn't even catch Sebastian Vettel.

Besides, these new points aren't much better than last year's (10-8-6-4-3-2-1) anyway.

Why? Well, you just have to play around with the math a little.

Under last year's rules, a win plus a retirement equaled 10 points, while second and third place combined were 14 points—that's a 40% difference.

Under this year's rules, a win plus a retirement is 25, while second and third together make 33.
That's only a 32% difference.

Why am I comparing a win/retirement against second/third? Because those represent two different strategies: one aggressive approach aiming for the win, and a conservative one aiming for points and finishing the race. Over two races, that's roughly how the math shakes out. It's just a model.

Now look at the old points: 10-6-4-3-2-1.

Win plus retirement = 10.

Second and third = 10.

A perfect system, but apparently, the idiots at the FIA don't get it.

Michael Lee4 Regular

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#140 · Mar 15, 2010

I posted it on the news feeds, but nobody's even giving me a 2% glance.

The FIA is playing games with the rulebook again. Just when you think things are settling down, they drop some new nonsense to shake things up. Typical.

Honestly, the only thing worth watching this weekend is qualifying. After that, it’s just going to be a slow, ninety-minute parade on Sunday.

My buddy says, quoting him: That was a killer race. I could’ve cleaned my entire house between the start and the last ten laps and just listened to the action from the other room.

The new rules definitely encourage more multitasking around the house on Sundays. I actually find that pretty commendable.

Honestly, I’d rather just record the race and watch it on 2x speed. Makes things way more dynamic. ☕

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