2010 Bahrain Grand Prix

stormybadger8 said:Look, regardless of everything else, my take is that Vettel would have been better off staying at Toro Rosso if Gerhard Berger had stuck around. Honestly, the perfect move would have been this:

Horner and General Motors at Toro Rosso, Berger and Ferrari at Red Bull. If that happened, we’d be looking at:
A title for Vettel, a title for Red Bull, and they’d be fighting for a second title this season without any real competition.

In Formula 1, big results come slow and painful.
Cycles last years. Some years you're winning, some years you're just struggling.

I'm saying the Red Bull Racing-Vettel situation looks pretty promising to me. I don't see much reason to despair (yet). He showed real strength and power, and he earned some serious respect in the process. At the very least, his value just went up.

Remember how rough things were for us Ferrari fans after that first race last year? You fight for the championship for three straight years, and then the very next season, you're suddenly nothing—just a target for all the haters. And yet, miraculously, Kimi Räikkönen still managed to pull it off.

Roger Wright94 said:In Formula 1, greatness is achieved through a slow, grueling process.
Cycles last for years... some fertile, others completely barren.

I wanted to point out that the Red Bull Racing-Vettel situation looks incredibly promising to me, and I see absolutely no reason to despair (not yet). He showed pure strength and power, earning himself an extra layer of respect in the process. At the very least, he's driven up his own market value.

Do you remember how much we Ferrari fans struggled after that first race last year? You fight for the title until the bitter end for three consecutive years, only to find yourself becoming a nobody in the very next season—just a target for the usual haters to amuse themselves on. And yet, against all odds, Kimi Räikkönen actually managed to win.

Well done... very beautifully put, or rather, very eloquently phrased...👍

stormybadger8 said:As for Alonso, he’s not exactly capable of leading a team where his teammate is right on his tail. Right now, it’s 1-1. If Massa beats him in Australia, Ferrari will fall apart and all kinds of filth will start leaking into the Spanish press. I'd bet money on Dario Argento turning out some pretty interesting articles.

I'm not worried about Alonso; the guy is going to fly. He just needs them to give him what he wants.
Could they have even measured his luck yesterday? I doubt it. Honestly, I think any instrument would have just shattered.

Still, I have one complaint about his behavior, and it's becoming a habit.
The way he constantly tries to force himself onto Ferrari, the fans, Montezemolo, and everyone else—it really bugs me. It’s completely unnecessary and shouldn't be part of his public persona.
It's also disrespectful to General Motors, who did so much for him.
Since this isn't the first time, I'm starting to worry I'll actually lose my temper if he keeps this up.

stormybadger8 said:...

Here are three facts for you:

1. Sebastian Vettel had an issue with his 2nd exhaust at the Grand Prix of Las Vegas.

2. Red Bull produces and maintains the exhausts, not General Motors; General Motors exclusively handles the engine, while the gearbox is also Red Bull's, and the ECU belongs to McLaren.

3. Many consider Vettel to be the most charming driver in Formula 1, which makes me seriously question your sexual orientation.

😂

silvercobra68 said:you have three facts here
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3. Vettel is by many considered the most charming driver in Formula 1, which really makes one question your sexual orientation

😕 I have no idea who these "many" people are, other than perhaps some Germans 🤔
unless this is just some kind of projection on your part... 🙂 😬

silvercobra68 said:you've got three facts here

1. Vettel had an exhaust failure at the Grand Prix of Las Vegas

2. Red Bull makes and maintains the exhaust, not General Motors. General Motors only handles the engine, the gearbox is also Red Bull's, and the ECU belongs to McLaren

3. Vettel is arguably the hottest driver in Formula 1, which really makes me question your sexual orientation

you've only got one fact, you clearly don't watch Formula 1😬

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/82153

It wasn't the exhaust, it was the engine🤣

give me a break😂 , Vettel being the hottest? 😂
who else is there, maybe Rubens🤣

Roger Wright94 said:Formula 1 takes a long, grueling grind to finally see massive results.
Cycles last years. Some are gold, some are absolute droughts.

I’m telling you, the Red Bull Racing-Vettel situation looks incredibly promising to me. I don't see any reason to start panicking (yet). He showed pure strength and power, and he definitely earned more respect in the process. At the very least, his market value just shot up.

And man, remember how rough it was for us Ferrari fans after that first race last year? You fight for the title three years straight, then suddenly the next season you're nothing—just a punching bag for all the haters. And yet, somehow, Kimi Räikkönen actually pulled off the win.

Kimi is a legend, no matter where he is or what car he's driving. 🙏🙏🙏

Just remember, even though I’ve never been a huge Ferrari guy, I was the one saying Kimi 🙏 would snatch the title in the final race. People actually told me I was talking nonsense. 😬

Even Felipe Massa, who I didn't care for much, is starting to impress me more and more. Honestly, for both Ferrari and its fans, it would be way better if he took the title. If you shut up about this "crybaby traitor" and he actually wins, people will be hailing Ferrari to the heavens—only to turn around and trash him even harder than their worst enemies in a couple of years. 👎

Robert Kubica is definitely the most charming one. 😍

Look at Sebastian Vettel.

stormybadger8 said:Poor Robert Kubica. Honestly, he’d probably have a much better shot at actually standing on a podium if he were driving for Force India or Toro Rosso rather than wasting his talent over at General Motors.😢

Unfortunately, I have to agree with you on this one.😢Force India is climbing the ladder right now, and I expect them to be right in the thick of a massive battle against Williams and General Motors. Honestly, I wouldn't bet against them being anything less than top-tier among that trio.

If I were behind the wheel and had offers on the table from those three drivers, I’d go straight to Force India. There's just something about the massive strides they're making right now that you can't ignore. That being said, even with all that progress elsewhere, the General Motors F1 Team will always hold a special place in my heart—they're easily the most unique outfit in the sport for me.

stormybadger8 said:Always. 😬

Look, you can go ahead and kill me if you want, but I’m telling you right now: I absolutely cannot stand Ferrari. There, I said it. 🤣

Look, let me be clear: saying that Alonso could outpace Vettel is absolute nonsense. It’s pure, unadulterated rubbish, and honestly, I don't think there's enough in the world to even begin comparing the two. It's just not a fair fight.🤣

To pull that off, he’d need to be roughly two seconds faster per lap just to overtake him, and let's face it—that's not happening unless Sebastian Vettel makes a massive unforced error or his car suffers a total mechanical failure. Anything else is just pure nonsense. Even when Nico Rosberg was running about 1.5 seconds per lap faster, it still wasn't nearly enough to catch Vettel, especially considering how much the car struggled on the straights. So, come on, Fernando Alonso, walk me through the logic here—how exactly would he manage that when Vettel's car was performing perfectly fine?😕

It’s not exactly a stupid take—it's obvious that Alonso would go for another attack. It's as plain as day, like knowing that once the sun goes down, night is inevitably coming.

Second point: you seem to be overlooking the fact that we're talking about Fernando Alonso—quite possibly the most elite driver currently sitting on the grid.

Fernando Alonso—it’s not Massa, and it’s definitely not Rosberg. It's Alonso, and I honestly think that now that he's with Ferrari, we're going to see him hit his absolute peak. I'd go as far as saying he's probably 90% the best driver on the grid right now; he's just incredibly aggressive and sharp. 🙏

silvercobra68 said:3. Sebastian Vettel is widely considered the funniest guy in Formula 1, which really makes me question your entire sexual orientation

man, i'm starting to get suspicious of you☕>

stormybadger8 said:, I'd honestly put my money on Dario Argento and some genuinely gripping articles.

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🤦🤦🤦🤦🤦 🙄🤦🤦

Arthur Roberts12 said:I hate to say it, but I have to agree with you here😢. Force India is on the upswing and is going to be right in the thick of things with Williams and General Motors. I wouldn't bet against them being the worst of that trio either
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If I were a driver looking at offers from those three teams, I'd actually pick FI. They're making massive strides, even if the General Motors F1 Team is still my absolute favorite thing in existence
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Yeah, Physics made a mistake so massive it’s almost unreal. Ferrari probably won't ever recover from this, honestly. And frankly, if Robert Kubica and Adrian Sutil hadn't collided at the start, I wouldn't be surprised if one of them ended up on the podium—or at least damn close to it👍.

I was really expecting Sauber to be that dark horse capable of snatching serious points away from the top four, but looking at how things are shaking out, it’s definitely Force India. Either way, glad for Sutil👍.

Arthur Roberts12 said:And it’s not even a stupid take—it's obvious Alonso would go for the overtake again, just like it's obvious night follows day.

Second thing: you're forgetting who we're talking about. It's Alonso. He's easily the best driver on the grid right now.

🤣 Based on what? Alonso isn't any better than Michael Schumacher. Both had killer turbo cars and teammates who basically existed just to serve them. Sorry, but in my book, these guys are currently better:

Sebastian Vettel, Robert Kubica, Adrian Sutil, Lewis Hamilton

Maybe Nico Rosberg too, but we'll see about that.🤷

I can't wait for when Kubica starts winning in that "useless" General Motors car; I wonder what he'll be whining about then.

And there's a massive difference between being decent and being legendary. What is this Alonso guy supposed to be, some kind of alien?

Nico Rosberg, Jenson Button, Mark Webber, and Michael Schumacher are all driving bumper-to-bumper the whole race, and Rosberg is clearly faster than Sebastian Vettel, yet he can't pass a car with an engine issue. But oh, sure, "alien" Alonso passes everyone without breaking a sweat.🙏

Arthur Roberts12 said:it isn't some nonsense idea... Alonso would definitely attempt that attack again, just as clearly as night follows day...

Secondly: you seem to be forgetting who we're talking about... he's currently the best driver on the grid...

you can see he's just talking nonsense...😳

stormybadger8 said:🤣What exactly is the logic there? Fernando Alonso isn't any better than Michael Schumacher. They both had top-tier cars during their prime and teammates who were essentially just there to follow orders. Honestly, if you ask me, the following drivers are currently performing better than him:

Sebastian Vettel, Robert Kubica, Adrian Sutil, Lewis Hamilton

And maybe even Nico Rosberg, though we won't know for sure until time tells us.🤷

I’d love to hear what people will be whining about once Robert Kubica starts winning races in a completely useless Renault.

The names you listed are definitely superior to Vettel, though if I were making the list, I'd put Alonso in there instead.

Nico Rosberg🤣

If Kubica pulls off a win, people will be congratulating him; they'll be genuinely happy for both the Renault team and Kubica himself.☕🙂

silvercobra68 said:3. Many people think Vettel is the most charming driver in F1, which really makes you question your own orientation.

Kašljuc, Kašljuc.....

Let’s revisit some established history:

Just one tiny little bit of that masterpiece of a thread. 🙏

Ah, the golden age of the F1 subforums. 😢

Jason Campbell70 said:Cough, cough...

Let's take a trip down memory lane with this classic:

Just one tiny little slice of that absolute masterpiece of a thread. 🙏

Man, those were the glory days of the F1 subforum. 😢

🤣 Now we're back to getting marriage proposals via PM, poor guy... he's stuck with us 🤣

Jason Campbell70 said:Let's take a look back at this classic thread:

Just one tiny slice of that absolute masterpiece. 🙏

Man, those were the glory days for the F1 subforum. 😢

🙏🙏🙏

Anyway, who actually has the energy to waste time on stuff like this anymore?