Locked: Political and war games, manipulations, prophecies, and deep dives...

The "political and war game, manipulations, prophecies, analyses..." thread used to be one of the most read and debated discussions on all of Alternative, but today, they just wiped it clean.

Why the hell did they do that?

If my memory serves me correctly, Nicholas Collins68 suggested we wrap this up, seeing as there is no longer any viable alternative available to us..

From what I can tell, the guy is just a straight-up troll spreading nothing but lies. If that's the case, what kind of influence does he actually have over the moderators?

And seriously, what kind of moderator actually listens to trolls?

If my memory serves me right, the last post in that thread was basically a demand for dustyharbor18 to quote the Uber-soldier claiming he "openly admitted to being a fascist," just because dustyharbor18 made that claim in her previous post on the topic.

In my opinion, making an unhinged, baseless accusation like someone "openly admitted to being a fascist" shouldn't just go unchecked—especially since a moderator was the one who said it before deleting the whole thread without even bothering to explain his statement or why he wiped it.

If we’re talking about the reputation of this American forum, then people like that really ought to be sanctioned. It’s especially bad considering they hold such important positions as moderators.

The discussion we were having was truly high-quality, and I noticed it was being read and visited quite frequently. It’s frustrating because it was deleted without any real explanation just a day after people started asking why certain users—who actually contributed significant value to the conversation—were banned. In my view, those bans were completely unjustified, especially since the moderators didn't even bother to respond to our questions regarding them.

I also find myself wondering why the thread was shut down in the first place.

Kyle Lopez58 said:If I recall correctly, the last post on this thread was just a demand for dustyharbor18 to quote Uber-soldier saying he was "openly a fascist," mostly because dustyharbor18 claimed that was what he said in her previous post here.

I guess maybe it’s all just some kind of political and war game. It seems like nothing actually matters anymore.

There’s a PDF over on Politics. It's a total madhouse, so maybe try looking there instead. I have zero intention of starting a "political septic tank" thread on Alternative, nor am I going to moderate it.
It’s honestly pathetic how many people fall for the most low-quality conspiracy theories. I guess the worst part is that when a few people actually point out the inconsistencies, they just get labeled as trolls.
It’s honestly pathetic. People who claim to be fighting against totalitarianism or the New World Order haven't even made it out of the Middle Ages yet. I guess some people haven't even left the cradle.

dustyharbor18 said:There’s a section on politics over on PDF—it's basically a madhouse, so try looking there! Personally, I have zero intention of opening a thread called "political septic tank" on Alternative, nor am I going to moderate it.
It honestly breaks my heart to see so many people falling for the absolute lowest-tier conspiracy theories out there. What stings the most is seeing those few folks trying to point out actual inconsistencies being branded as trolls.
It’s just pathetic how people who claim to be fighting against totalitarianism or the NWO haven't even made it out of the Middle Ages yet. Some haven't even crawled out of their diapers.

Well, thanks for providing the proof that an Uber-soldier actually admitted to being a fascist.

But seriously, it’s just plain unfair that the "political and war game, manipulations, prophecies, analyses..." thread was shut down. If you aren't interested in actually doing the job, why bother being a moderator in the first place?

Look, sure, there are all kinds of conspiracy theories out there, but they aren't all the same thing. And that thread wasn't strictly about conspiracies either. Like it said, it covered manipulations and prophecies too.

So, where exactly am I supposed to put, say, this article that dives into symbols used within the European Union?

As you can see, that is clearly an "alternative" style article that belongs in the Alternative section if we want to discuss it. It wouldn't make any sense to dump it where articles like these are the main headline every single day.

That's why, and because deleting the thread was totally unjustified, I’m demanding that "political and war game, manipulations, prophecies, analyses..." be brought back.

I also feel terrible that certain people were constantly trashing that thread, but does that really justify anything? Is a moderator's incompetence supposed to be a valid excuse for nuking a whole topic?

The NWO is our future. You can go ahead and live in your own little bubble, but don't start deleting our threads that deal with reality. (And just so we don't generalize here: yes, some conspiracy theories are total nonsense born from people being uninformed, but there are real ones too—real ones that have now been wiped out because of your sweeping generalizations.)

Fair enough. First off, I don't see the point in everyone constantly piling onto the exact same topic using the exact same tone. I'm sure there are plenty of other people who have things to say or want to discuss the New World Order, but they probably just don't feel like writing if everything has to be delivered with this specific attitude. I also don't think an alternative should turn into a subforum defined by such a heavy ideological slant. If someone doesn't get what I'm getting at, maybe they shouldn't bother posting about politics at all.

dustyharbor18 said:Fair enough, or maybe not. Honestly, I don't see the point in piling up all this current events stuff under one single topic, especially when it's always written in the exact same tone. I'm sure there are plenty of other people who have things to say about the New World Order, but they probably just can't be bothered to post if it's going to sound like this. Besides, an alternative shouldn't turn into a subforum defined by such a heavy ideological slant. If someone doesn't get what I'm getting at, maybe they should just stay away from politics altogether.

And who's actually stopping those other people from saying whatever they want about the New World Order? I mean, seriously, who is stopping them?

If they could just make an actual argument instead of acting like... well, you know. Show me where he actually made a valid point in that WW3 thread.

dustyharbor18 said:Fair enough or not! First off, I don't see any point in constantly piling up all this news about current events onto one single topic and keeping it stuck in the exact same tone! I’m sure there are plenty of other people who have things to say or want to chime in regarding the New World Order, but they just can't bring themselves to write when everything is framed with such a specific attitude!! Also, I don't think it makes sense for the alternative section to turn into a subforum with such a heavily biased ideological stance. If someone doesn't get what I'm getting at, they shouldn't be posting about politics at all!

Look, if something is actually violating the rules of a thread, there's a lock or closed option specifically for that purpose. Even Mr. White didn't delete the MMS thread; he "just" closed it.

And if someone is too fed up to keep typing in that specific thread, there’s a "new thread" button right there, so they can go vent somewhere else. If my memory serves me right, there were at least two different threads out there actually praising the New World Order...

I get what's going down in the alternative section. But honestly, shutting down the whole thread after banning so many people was a massive blunder. Like, if you thought those people were the problem, why kill the whole conversation? You know damn well that arguments over bans blow over pretty fast—give it a couple of days, maybe a week max. Once the dust settles, those people who "can't stand the tone" might actually feel like talking again since you've basically filtered everyone out to force your own vibe.

Just so you know, the thread wasn't deleted; it’s just hidden from view while things get cleaned up. The appeal topic regarding user bans was already posted a week ago, so I guess there isn't much point in spamming today about something that happened seven days back.
Still, I have to ask—why is everyone piling into one single thread instead of just starting their own individual topics? I don't get it.

Look, I don't really want to argue anymore... but if it bothers you that we're sticking to this one single thread, would you rather we just opened ten different ones just to "troll" you? It seems to me that what you call trolling or stupidity isn't viewed that way by everyone else...

I think plenty of threads on the alternative side are foolish or just pure trolling too... everything from astrology to a dozen other things... but I just stay away from them instead of showing up to ruin the discussion... 🤷

I don't see why everyone is getting so worked up when you could just as easily discuss an equally important topic over here:

It feels like there’s just zero willpower from anyone to actually resolve this mess...😢 Pathetic...😢

dustyharbor18 said:I don't get why everyone is losing their minds when you can just go talk about this on an equally important thread here:
http://forum.us/showthread.php?t=494356

I wasn't even looking for trouble, but seeing your excuses for banning people and nuking threads actually made me sick.
Read my entire post history and be honest—why am I banned?
We both know the real reason: I don't think like you do, and my views don't fit into your little worldview.
What you did is straight-up suppressing free speech.
The main accusation is that we're spreading paranoia. Okay, so if it's "paranoia" to have a thread about the world ending in 2012, Planet Nibiru, and other nonsense, then I guess alien abductions count as spreading paranoia too, right?
Anyone can look at a thread title and decide whether they want to read it or join the debate.
First, you let guys like "Good Mage"—who hasn't even contributed a single useful post to the topic—constantly troll and derail the discussion until it’s just a bunch of leftists and rightists bickering.
You guys attacked someone on Uber for saying Joe Biden is a Mason, yet on other threads, people call politicians total scumbags and nobody bats an eye.
For the record, I don't actually think Joe Biden is a Mason.
And now, after all that, you want to shunt us over to a thread where some guy claims there are messages from the future hidden in English textbooks.
That’s seriously shady, especially since you know we had the most popular thread on the alternative side.
If you've got any integrity left, tell me exactly which rules I broke that would put me in a different category than the rest of the users.

dustyharbor18 said:I honestly don't get why everyone is losing their minds when you can just go post on an equally important thread over here:
http://forum.us/showthread.php?t=494356

Kyle Lopez58 said:(just so we don't overgeneralize here, let me be clear: some conspiracy theories really are total nonsense cooked up by people who haven't done their homework, but there are actual, legitimate ones out there that are getting wiped off the map because of your sweeping generalizations)

And there you go again, just generalizing everything like you always do.

Anyway, when are we actually going to see that thread back? Like, when is this whole "cleanup" supposed to be finished?

That thread was perfect for me because I could find all the latest updates in one single spot, and I’d just hop in, check the new links someone dropped, and if I felt like it, throw in a comment. Now, imagine having to hunt through five or six different threads just to stay updated on what's happening in the world. It's incredibly impractical and a massive pain in the neck.

That’s true. This thread has served its purpose quite well over the years. It’s been around for two years now—I honestly can't even keep track anymore—but I find it somewhat surprising that it has taken this long for the moderators and certain other individuals to suddenly take notice. It seems they are only just now deciding to label the discussions there as "nonsense" or "slander," or whatever terminology they’ve chosen to use to describe it.

Noah Perez5 said:Exactly. This thread served its purpose quite well. It’s been around for two years now, I think. I guess it’s strange that the moderators and certain people are only just now deciding that what's being said here constitutes "nonsense" or "slander," or whatever they're calling it these days.

This thread has actually been around much longer than two years; it was just split into two identical threads by the sheer whim of the moderator, dustyharbor18...

It originally started as this thread: WW3, NWO prophecies - crisis and politics

After a while, if my memory serves, dustyharbor18 split it into two... or maybe merged it with something else... I can't quite recall. Anyway, whatever she did, it just resulted in total chaos on the main page... until we eventually found our way back to the old way of posting...

Then, some time later, something bothered dustyharbor18 again (out of all the mods, it was always her) so she closed it, claiming we had "gone too far" and needed a cleanup. Since it was taking her too long to "clean up," I opened this second thread—a sort of "second edition"—which has since been deleted...

That first thread had 3,481 posts and 92,996 views...

Now, I don't remember the exact numbers for this deleted thread, but I suppose there were about 2500 posts... give or take... and maybe around 70,000 views... perhaps a bit less...

Both threads were once the most popular discussions on the alternative boards... and if they had just kept them together, since it's the same topic...

we would have ended up with roughly 6,000 posts and over 150,000 views... which is far, far more than any other thread started by a moderator or a user on the alternative boards...☕ I might even say it was one of the most read threads on this entire forum...☕

By the way, the thread was closed for other reasons, not because of the people presenting themselves here... but I won't say that publicly. You can reach out to me privately where we're free to talk... if you know what I mean...☕

Haha, I think I might be starting to grasp what the actual motivations are here. 😉

But honestly, what is even happening right now? It feels like none of the actual questions are being addressed. I wonder when this thread will finally be cleared of all the "noise" and return to being the kind of space it was always meant to be.

Nicholas Collins68 said:Honestly, it feels like nobody in this entire country has the slightest bit of willpower to actually fix this mess. It’s just total gridlock.😢 It’s just sad... honestly.😢

The state of things over at Alternative is honestly pretty depressing. You hit the nail on the head, Nicholas Collins68. Moderating this stuff requires actual nuance—you have to bridge all these different sub-interests—and you just can't expect one single moderator to carry that whole load. Since dustyharbor18 is basically the only moderator running the show at Alternative, it would be lazy and totally unfair to pin the current mess entirely on her. That’s the easy way out, but it isn't objective. I think my last post was actually what triggered the thread being deleted. I told a certain "wise guy" that it's completely uncool to go after forum members with low blows like that, especially when people are already banned and can't even defend themselves. That kind of behavior is bottom-of-the-barrel stuff. Look, it's one thing to disagree with someone, but it's another thing entirely to make it a personal attack against someone who's defenseless. I don't get that impulse in people, and frankly, I couldn't just sit there and stay silent about it. Another user got banned on the very same day the thread was wiped. Maybe it was the most read topic on the site, but in the end, dustyharbor18 made the call to pull the plug. With decisions like this, there are always winners and losers. A moderator's job isn't to be a people-pleaser or hand out participation trophies to everyone who speaks up. Here’s my point: now that the thread is gone, it would only be fair to lift the bans on everyone who got flagged for participating in it. If there's no thread, there shouldn't be any bans. I'm convinced that would satisfy everyone involved. It would let both the old guard and the new folks at Alternative jump back in, start similar discussions, or join existing ones without fear. Moderators need to allow the discussion of the New World Order here at Alternative. We need to hear what users actually think about this massive issue. They shouldn't be pushing these topics under the rug or labeling them as "politics" or "insanity." It’s simple: politics is just a tiny tool used by those shadowy forces and groups to achieve the New World Order. When we shut down these threads, it feels like we’re trying to pretend we don't see what's being built right in front of us. It's like we're choosing to keep our eyes tightly shut.

@tiberian I suppose I agree with you...🙂

By the way, still waiting on an answer here... Maybe the mods are all out on vacation or something?