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Time shock! Daylight Savings: An hour ahead or an hour behind?

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Participants Noah AndersonMatthew Anderson4Jamie Rivera70Raymond Ortiz89mistylynx5placidnomad50wearyharbor78northernhawk29Astormyheron4Frank Collins85shadowraven21analoglynx23Matthew Grant9Arthur Kim74Grace Ortiz13Dana Reyes5driftingbear29James Diaz59Brandon Foster7
Noah Anderson Noah Anderson MemberOP
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#1 ·
On Sunday, the clocks are jumping from 2:00 to 3:00 AM.
I’m curious to hear what you all think about this.

Here is my take: It is absolute nonsense!

The logic is flawed: On Sunday, the sun will hit its peak at 1:00 PM instead of the usual noon. Our biological clocks have been synced to the sun for millennia, not to some arbitrary invention of ours. It is certain that everyone will face consequences, even if we don't feel them immediately.

The tourism industry takes a direct hit from this too. We end up pushing our guests to sit down for dinner at 7:00 PM, even though the beaches are still perfectly pleasant for sunbathing. Then, outdoor patio programs start kicking off at 8:00 PM. Who is going to convince a guest to head to a terrace when the sun is still hovering high above the horizon? And here is the kicker: At midnight, when it is actually only 11:00 PM, some busybody starts yelling, "Turn that music off! Don't you realize it's midnight?!"

There was a piece in today's USA Today where a woman argued in favor of the change, claiming her two-year-old son naturally wakes up around 5:00 AM anyway.

One last question for the group: Does anyone actually know who decided to implement Daylight Saving Time, when it started, and what the original reasoning was?😍
Matthew Anderson4 Matthew Anderson4 Regular
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#2 ·
Sup?
Noah Anderson Noah Anderson MemberOP
37 messages
joined Apr 2004
#3 ·
Matthew Anderson4 said:Right?

Right? Oh, you bet! I'm really curious to hear what you think about this one.😁
If you have an opinion, that is.😍
Jamie Rivera70 Jamie Rivera70 Newcomer
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#4 ·
The days are getting longer, and honestly? I am totally here for it.
Plus, my internal clock is finally behaving itself for once 😁
Noah Anderson Noah Anderson MemberOP
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joined Apr 2004
#5 ·
Jamie Rivera70 said:The days feel longer to me, so I'm fine with it.
My internal clock isn't really feeling the shift.😁

That's nonsense. A day is always the same length, whether you look at it one way or another—it doesn't matter how the hands on your watch are positioned!😍>
Raymond Ortiz89 Raymond Ortiz89 Active Member
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#6 ·
Noah Anderson said:On Sunday, 2:00 AM becomes 3:00 AM.
I’m curious to see what my fellow forum dwellers think about this whole mess.

My take? It’s absolute nonsense!

Here’s why: This Sunday, the sun is going to hit its peak at 1:00 PM instead of the perfectly logical 12:00 PM. Our internal biological clocks have been synced up with the sun for millennia, not with some arbitrary administrative invention, and you can bet your life that everyone is going to feel the fallout, even if it isn't obvious right away.

The tourism industry is going to take a direct hit from this too: we end up forcing our guests to sit down for dinner at seven, even though it’s still perfectly pleasant enough to be lounging on the beach. Then, at eight in the evening, the patio shows start. Who in their right mind is going to lure a guest out to a terrace when the sun is still practically hovering above the horizon? And here’s the kicker: at midnight—which is actually only 11:00 PM—some busybody is going to start screaming, "Turn that music off! Don't you realize it's midnight?!"

There was a pearl of wisdom in today's USA Today: some lady used the fact that her two-year-old son usually wakes up around five in the morning as her main argument for why this is a good idea.

So, one last question for the group: does anyone actually know who decided to introduce Daylight Saving Time, when, and for what possible reason?😍

calendars and all that junk
Noah Anderson Noah Anderson MemberOP
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#7 ·
Raymond Ortiz89 said:calendars and all that junk

I have no idea what he's getting at there.🙄
mistylynx5 mistylynx5 Member
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#8 ·
I absolutely loathe this whole Daylight Saving Time shift. It always takes me a few days to actually adjust to these "longer days," but I have to admit, that one night when the clocks fall back is pure bliss. Getting an extra hour of sleep is the only saving grace.😁
Matthew Anderson4 Matthew Anderson4 Regular
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#9 ·
Noah Anderson said:Right? Oh, absolutely. I'm dying to hear what you think about it.😁
If you actually have an opinion.😍

today feels like it's only lasting 23 hours😁
placidnomad50 placidnomad50 Active Member
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#10 ·
Matthew Anderson4 said:Today feels like it’s only lasting about 23 hours 😁

hours of less sleep 😢
wearyharbor78 wearyharbor78 Newcomer
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#11 ·
I have to say, I don't think you're quite hitting the mark here 😉😉😉
northernhawk29 northernhawk29 Member
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#12 ·
The clock shifts primarily to conserve energy—essentially, to push as many daily activities as possible into the daylight hours.
It’s a bit of a puzzle, really. People tend to sleep in during the morning, so they might feel like they're just "throwing away" an hour—say, from 5 to 6 AM—but when the time shifts, you aren't losing that hour to the darkness. Instead, you gain an extra hour of light in the evening, perhaps from 7 to 8 PM... I haven't quite articulated this perfectly, but I assume the logic holds up, doesn't it? 😉
Here, take a look and see for yourself http://www.webexhibits.org/daylightsaving/b.html. They list a whole array of benefits there: energy conservation, the fact that people generally prefer having more daylight in the evenings, lower crime rates, fewer traffic accidents...
Jamie Rivera70 Jamie Rivera70 Newcomer
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#13 ·
Noah Anderson said:What a load of nonsense! A day is always exactly the same length—whether it feels long or short depends entirely on how much of a mess your schedule is, not on where the hands are pointing on your watch!😍

I mean, come on, it’s still summer! It doesn't even feel like fall yet—we've still got plenty of sunshine left to soak up before the season shifts.
If we were dealing with some actual, normal weather for once, it’d already be 8:00, and by 9:00, it would be pitch black out! 🙄

Man, look at some of these topics we're diving into! Seriously, what a wild mix.
The days are finally getting longer, and honestly, what’s not to love? I feel like we should all be making the most of this extra daylight while we have it. I mean, seriously, what's the hold-up? Why aren't we out there crushing our goals and actually enjoying the sunshine? Let's get moving!
A Anonymous Veteran
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#14 ·
USA Today published an article today laying out three pros and three cons regarding the daylight saving time shift.
One of the arguments against it? It’s a total stress inducer for our pets. 😲I honestly couldn't stop laughing when I read that. 🤣🤣
northernhawk29 northernhawk29 Member
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#15 ·
Jamie Rivera70 said:The days are longer now—we should make the most of it. What’s the issue with that?

Noah Anderson, please, let’s be realistic here—the day isn't actually "longer." A day is always going to be roughly 14 hours of usable light, regardless of what some clock might tell you... that's just the reality of it. But Noah also needs to realize that if we didn't shift the clock—if we just "threw away" an hour—we'd lose that time between 5 and 6 AM when nobody is doing anything anyway. However, when we *do* move the clock, we aren't creating time out of thin air; we're simply taking that hour from the early morning when it's useless and adding it to the evening when people are actually out and about... honestly, I feel like I'm repeating myself at this point. If you haven't grasped the concept yet, well, I suppose there's no helping you, is there?
stormyheron4 stormyheron4 Active Member
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#16 ·
Anonymous said:I saw an article in USA Today today listing three pros and cons for Daylight Saving Time.
One of the reasons against it: it causes stress (and) for the critters 😲If I didn't burst out laughing right then🤣🤣

Seriously, now I totally get why every stray cat on the block and every bird in the trees has been acting so stressed out the last few days. 😂Poor little animals are basically dying from the struggle just because we moved the clocks forward. Yeah, right...😂
Noah Anderson Noah Anderson MemberOP
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#17 ·
Jamie Rivera70 said:Well, during the summer, there’s still light at 9 PM.
If we were following "standard" seasonal weather patterns, it would be dark by 8, and by 9, you'd be in total darkness.🙄

And that’s exactly where the issue lies, at least from the perspective of tourism and the hospitality industry. As an economist by trade, I don't see any actual cost savings here, not even within heavy industry. This was implemented by Capitalists simply to squeeze more productivity out of workers. It's definitely going to take a toll on our health, too. And as for how this affects livestock, I honestly don't think it's funny at all. Just ask any dairy farmer how they're dealing with these shifts.

Excerpt from the intro:
Tourism takes a direct hit from this: We end up pushing our guests to sit down for dinner at seven, even though the beaches are still perfectly pleasant for catching some sunshine. By eight in the evening, the patio shows start. Who is actually going to convince a guest to head to an outdoor terrace when the sun is still hovering high above the horizon? And here's the icing on the cake: At midnight, when it's effectively only 11 PM, some random person starts yelling, "Turn off the music! Don't you realize it's midnight?!"

P.S. Thanks, trpi, for the website!
Frank Collins85 Frank Collins85 Active Member
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joined Dec 2007
#18 ·
Noah Anderson said:That’s precisely where the issue lies, at least regarding the tourism and hospitality sectors. As an economist by trade, I don't see any actual savings being realized here, even within heavy industry. The Capitalists implemented these shifts simply to squeeze more efficiency out of the workforce.It’s bound to take a toll on our health, too. And as for the livestock situation? I don't find it funny one bit. If you want to know the reality, go ask a dairy farmer how they're managing with these changes.

Excerpt from the introduction:
Tourism suffers direct consequences from this: We end up forcing our guests to sit down for dinner at seven, even though it's still perfectly pleasant for some sunshine on the beach. Outdoor patio programs don't even kick off until eight. Who is going to convince a guest to head to a terrace when the sun is still high in the sky? And here is the icing on the cake: At midnight—when it’s actually only eleven—some crank starts shouting, "Turn that music off! Don't you realize it's midnight already?!"

P.s. Thanks to trpi for maintaining the website!

kukuc, Noah Anderson👋
for your information; communism collapsed in our part of the world about eighteen years ago.
Noah Anderson Noah Anderson MemberOP
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#19 ·
Frank Collins85 said:Noah Anderson, 👋
for your information; communism collapsed here in America about eighteen years ago.

That’s exactly why we’re stuck in this recession—something Karl Marx laid out in exhaustive detail in his famous work, "Capital."😍

And for your information, communism didn't fail because the idea itself was flawed; it failed because of the idiots who tried to make it work.😠
Matthew Anderson4 Matthew Anderson4 Regular
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#20 ·
wearyharbor78 said:you're wrong 😉😉😉

Jesan 😉

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