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Duje Draganja: Sellout or just misunderstood?

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Daniel Chavez14 Daniel Chavez14 Member
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#181 ·
sara4 said:I stuck with it last time because I don't play sports much anymore. Why? Injuries. If it wasn't for those injuries, I'd be playing professionally right now and making way more money than I do at my actual job.

I honestly don't get how you managed to juggle six or seven different sports. I only ever took one seriously, so I really think you have no idea what true professional sacrifice looks like or what an athlete's life is actually like.

If I recall correctly, you used to play a few sports too, but your biggest injury actually happened during a sport that wasn't even your main focus.😉
Daniel Chavez14 Daniel Chavez14 Member
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joined Jan 2003
#182 ·
sara4 said:Look, I already told you what I think about the number 17, regardless of whether they were your age or not, and I happen to be above average intelligence.

Listen, even though I generally agree with you regarding Duje, assuming the "17" in the username madmax17 refers to their age was definitely not a stroke of genius. 🙄
Especially considering your own username is sara4. 😂
brighttiger6 brighttiger6 Member
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#183 ·
feralbison62 said:What can you even say about a man who sells out his own soul just for a few extra bucks?

The way you people twist the truth is truly pathological.
feralbison62 feralbison62 Active Member
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#184 ·
brighttiger6 said:The way you guys twist the truth is just straight-up unhinged.

Care to explain?
Angela Richardson15 Angela Richardson15 Newcomer
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#185 ·
brighttiger6 said:The way you people twist the facts is honestly pathological.

They aren't twisting anything.
They are simply true believers and the official arbiters of American identity. 🙄
The moment he picks up Qatari citizenship, he ceases to be American—much like how Pešalov is no longer Bulgarian since he changed his name to Nikola Pešić and converted to Catholicism.
😂
brighttiger6 brighttiger6 Member
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#186 ·
feralbison62 said:Could you clarify?

I’d love an explanation from your perspective on how someone supposedly loses their very identity just because they changed their damn citizenship.

What, if you aren't American, you cease to be a human being, or is that just how things work in your world? Please, enlighten me. 😎 🙄
Daniel Chavez14 Daniel Chavez14 Member
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#187 ·
brighttiger6 said:Can you explain how someone could possibly say they gave up on themselves just because they changed their damn citizenship?

I think when they said "giving up on oneself," they were talking about the name, not the citizenship.
feralbison62 feralbison62 Active Member
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#188 ·
brighttiger6 said:Can you explain how someone "gives up themselves" just because they switched their damn citizenship?

What, if you aren't an American, you cease to exist or something? Please, enlighten me. 😎 🙄

It wasn't just the citizenship. He changed his name, too. You won't find his old name on any official paperwork anymore. If you ditch your name, your hometown, and your country, aren't you basically erasing who you were?
What’s next, maybe changing his religion too.

A little breakdown of what he pulled in over the last two seasons:
The thing about the Draganja case is that the coastal region, the city of Cleveland, HPS, HOO, and even the US Government all technically met their obligations to our top swimmer. Duje gets a steady monthly stipend from the coastal region in the amount of $4.25. Cleveland rewarded his Olympic silver with $33 and his world title with another $17. They even promised Duje an apartment once he finishes school in the States. The US Government tacked on more prizes—$40 for Athens and $23 for Montreal. All told, Duje raked in $281 during 2004 and 2005. But hey, that's only $138,360.
copperpuma96 copperpuma96 Member
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#189 ·
gabal said:I don't think you can really compare scientists to athletes—they aren't public figures and they don't represent their country in major global competitions.

And who cares if they aren't famous? Like that actually matters? Who gives a damn about what flag you're standing under when you're working, seriously? Give me a break... stop being so delusional.

Comparing scientists and athletes is totally fine. Both groups just moved on to better opportunities.
Daniel Chavez14 Daniel Chavez14 Member
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#190 ·
RuzanPrljavGlup said:So how does that even connect to Duje Draganja?
It doesn't matter if he was in Bahrain or back home in the States; he isn't dealing with survival issues.

The bottom line is this: people facing actual existential crises find it much easier to accept that someone else's money matters more than some abstract sense of American identity. Those who prioritize national pride over cold, hard cash either don't have real struggles to deal with, or they aren't even aware of them because someone else is footing the bill so they can stay comfortable while chasing "higher" ideals.
Eric Jackson43 Eric Jackson43 Active Member
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#191 ·
brighttiger6 said:Can you actually explain how someone "loses themselves" just because they decided to switch their damn citizenship?

Yeah, I’m with you on that one. If he was always just some spineless opportunist, then changing papers isn't losing his soul—it’s just proving who he really is.
copperpuma96 copperpuma96 Member
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#192 ·
robybaggio said:Don't be ridiculous, an Australian isn't going to offer you that. If some guy from gebreselasija hasn't gone anywhere, and they don't have anything in Ethiopia—let alone a tartan track—why is Duje suddenly acting like such a genius?

Muto is staying quiet, and you wanna know why?????

Because Hailo is one of those once-in-a-century world record holders! He’s got sponsorship deals so massive it wouldn't even cross his mind to look elsewhere. The man is an icon. Comparing Duje to him is just straight-up idiocy.

And all these people rooting against Duje... what do you honestly think he's gonna do, go sing the anthem for Qatar? Kiss their flag and enjoy living there? His goals and intentions are crystal clear. He's gonna grab the cash, cash in on everything he's worked his entire life for... then disappear after a few years and live like a damn king. As for these fake patriots and "all-American" zealots, they're too blinded by hate to actually understand what's happening. That's all they ever do.
Daniel Chavez14 Daniel Chavez14 Member
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#193 ·
copperpuma96 said:And for all those people dragging Duje's name through the mud... what exactly do you think his plan is? Does he think he's going to stand there singing the anthem of Qatar? Kiss their flag or pretend to love the place? His intentions are crystal clear. He’s looking to collect that massive payday, cash out everything he’s spent his entire career building, and then after a few years, just retire and live like royalty.

Besides, if he decides to move back to the States, all that money is coming right back into our economy. In a way, Americans end up profiting from Duje all over again. You could even look at it as Duje funneling wealth from Qatar straight back to America—even if it means sacrificing his own reputation to do it. Have any of you fake patriots actually bothered to think about that? 😁
Eric Jackson43 Eric Jackson43 Active Member
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#194 ·
Daniel Chavez14 said:Look, if he decides to settle down here in the States, all that massive wealth is going to be spent right here on American soil. That means Americans end up profiting from Duje all over again. You could honestly view the whole thing as Duje funneling money out of Qatar just to pump it back into the US economy, even if he has to tank his own reputation to do it. Have you guys—you fake patriots—ever actually considered that angle? 😁

Honestly, props to you 👍>
copperpuma96 copperpuma96 Member
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#195 ·
Daniel Chavez14 said:The bottom line is that when people are actually struggling just to survive, they realize pretty quickly that money matters way more than some abstract sense of national identity. People who prioritize patriotism over putting food on the table either don't have real survival issues or they’re totally oblivious because someone else is footing the bill, letting them sit around playing hero for "higher" ideals.

Preach.

Though I honestly doubt most folks even realize how much of a bubble they're living in regarding their finances. The real issue is that I don't think people can truly wrap their heads around what it's like to grind every single day and still only pull in a measly million bucks a year...
brighttiger6 brighttiger6 Member
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#196 ·
copperpuma96 said:Then there are those people opposing Duje and so on... What exactly do you expect from him? Is he going to stand there singing the anthem of Qatar? Kiss their flag or pretend to enjoy living in that country? His intentions and his goals are perfectly transparent. He is looking to collect his money and cash in on the work he has spent his entire life building. After a few years, he’ll simply retire and live like royalty. As for these fake patriots—those mindless followers of political rhetoric—they just hate and misunderstand everything. That is all they are capable of.


👍 👍 👍

As far as I am concerned, Duje made a move that was more than reasonable. Look, this is the kind of world we live in...
Linda Hughes88 Linda Hughes88 Active Member
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#197 ·
Daniel Chavez14 said:The bottom line is that when you're struggling just to survive, it's a lot easier to accept that someone else's money matters way more than some abstract concept like national pride. People who put their country above their paycheck either don't have real problems, or they aren't even aware of them because someone else is pulling the strings behind the scenes to make sure they stay comfortable enough to fight for those "higher" ideals...

Look, I'm not exactly swimming in cash here, but I highly doubt everyone criticizing dujin's move is some massive American tycoon. I'm not some fanatic who puts the US above everything else, either. It’s just about having principles, right? I get it when someone is broke and has to move to another country and take up citizenship just to secure a decent living—if that were my situation, I'd probably do the exact same thing. But if I'm making a solid living here at home, it's hard to imagine some slightly better offer abroad would actually force me to change my nationality. If I was born an American, why on earth would I suddenly decide to become an Englishman, an Austrian, or a Bahraini? That's basically what playing for Bahrain is. He had good conditions here for our standards, so this feels like he's essentially selling himself. Is everything really for sale?!
Pešalov's situation was totally different, honestly, because if we managed to land him for relatively small change, then you can only imagine the kind of conditions he was dealing with back in Bulgaria...
Bradley Ramos11 Bradley Ramos11 Active Member
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#198 ·
RuzanPrljavGlup said:Look, I'm not made of money, and I highly doubt the critics of dujin's move are all just wealthy American tycoons. It’s not that I’m some fanatic who puts America above everything else. It's about having principles. I get it when someone with zero options moves abroad and takes citizenship just to land a decent paycheck. If life forced my hand, I’d probably do the same thing. But if I have a solid salary here at home, it’s hard to imagine a slightly better offer overseas forcing me to switch citizenships. If I was born an American, why would I suddenly decide to become an Englishman, an Austrian, or a Bahraini? Playing for Bahrain is essentially that. He had good conditions here for our standards, so this feels like he's selling himself. Is everything really for sale?
Pešalov's situation was fundamentally different. If we managed to get him for relatively small change, you can only imagine what kind of conditions he was working under in Bulgaria.

And you aren't even a top-tier athlete being offered tens of millions. We aren't talking about "a slightly better salary," but a massive windfall—enough to set you up for life.
Duje made a smart move. The morality of it might be debatable, but unfortunately, ethics and logic rarely walk hand in hand.
Brandon Castillo4 Brandon Castillo4 Regular
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#199 ·
Feuerfuchs said:It wasn't just about switching citizenship. He changed his name, too. You won't find his old name on any official paperwork anymore. If you're willing to ditch your name, the city where you were born, and your own country, aren't you basically just erasing who you are?
What’s left to do? Maybe change his religion next.

Here’s some context regarding the money he pulled in over the last two seasons:
The whole Draganja situation is interesting because the Coast, the city of Cleveland, HPS, HOO, and even the US Government formally met every single obligation to our top swimmer. Duje gets a steady monthly stipend from the Coast in the amount of $4.25. Cleveland rewarded his Olympic silver with $33 and his world title with an additional $17. On top of that, Duje was promised an apartment the moment he finishes his studies in the States. The US Government tacked on another $40 for Athens and $23 for Montreal. All told, Duje raked in $281 during 2004 and 2005. But hey, that's only $138,360.

👍

Otherwise, Shevchenko and the rest of those ghosts:

Is Duje making a smart move by turning his back on his country while the rest of us—who wouldn't do the same—are labeled as "fake patriots"?

🙄 🙄

🙂
Dana Rivera4 Dana Rivera4 Newcomer
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#200 ·
sara4 said:If you can't wrap your head around the fact that kissing a flag doesn't put food on the table—that those millions in tax revenue could actually buy medical equipment for some hospital to cut down waiting lists from years to months, renovate a maternity ward so ceilings don't collapse on moms and babies, bring electricity and water to some rural town in America, buy computers for a school, or a thousand other things—then you might as well keep worshiping that flag like it's some god.

blah blah blah

🙄

1. Go on a tour across America. Visit every single swim club and let all those coaches and swimmers know that a bright future awaits them if they just train hard enough—swimming for Qatar. Actually, scratch that, tell the swimmers, not the women, because god forbid women swim, right? Terrible. While you're at it, don't forget to pack an Arabic dictionary so these little Americans can start learning useful life skills early. Bring two catalogs too: one for fancy turbans and one for designer dresses.

2. Don't stop at swimming. Swing over to Spain and tell Balić, Metličić, and Đomba to stop playing for a poor homeland. Tell them to grab Spanish passports and play for them instead; they'll be richer and better off, obviously. And if the Spaniards won't have them, hey, we've got Qatar. Maybe Bahrain will call, I heard they're looking for fresh talent too. Make sure to drop by a tiny local arena during a game and scream at the players, calling them idiots for wasting years playing for some broke country just because they were born there when they could've been raking it in in Qatar. People, get it through your heads: Qatar rules! Then go to Arlington National Cemetery, light a candle—actually, people like you don't bother with candles—just stand in front of Draženov’s grave and curse his memory for being such a fool, grinding away for a penniless nation only to die on the way home from a tournament representing that same poor country. What an idiot, he clearly never heard of Qatar. Turn on the TV during the Davis Cup final and yell loud enough for everyone to hear: "No, Ljubo, not for America! They're too broke! What can they offer you? Qatar, Ljubo, Qatar!" And tell little Ančić he's a moron for playing for these paupers; he should just pack his bags for Qatar.

3. Write a letter to the Emirs in Qatar and ask them to issue a global proclamation so the whole world hears it and there's no more doubt. Listen up, athletes of every nation: stop representing the countries where you grew up, where your parents and grandparents are from, where you learned to walk, run, talk, kiss, and screw. From now on, everyone plays for the richest nations. The top 10 wealthiest get the best, the next 10 get what's left, and nobody gives a damn about anyone else. We want to see the USA at the top of every sport, clearly. We'll put Japan in second, then the rest of the G7, and then throw in a little something for Qatar. For Qatar, they'll use those pathetic, broke Americans... haha, poor things. That's how the new world order is established. Brazil isn't a soccer powerhouse anymore because they're out of cash. Ronaldinho moved to the USA, Ronaldo went to Japan, Juninho went to the UK—everything changed. For Qatar, they'll field five Brazilians, four Argentinians, and some poor, broke Americans. Let's bow down to the new world order. 🙏 🙏

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