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Duje Draganja: Sellout or just misunderstood?

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feralpilot912 feralpilot912 Newcomer
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#141 ·
The public craves sports heroes and idols—figures they can project their own qualities onto just to feel a little better about themselves. This kind of identification through flags and anthems is, on one hand, quite primitive and not exactly a mark of sophistication for sports fans, but it’s simply human nature. At the same time, it’s true that this same insecure, shallow public needs these athletes. How many times have we seen them running laps around a stadium, climbing out of the water, leaping into pools, blowing kisses to the crowds, singing the national anthem with emotion, or kissing the flag? They perform all these gestures while soaking up the grateful applause of the masses. Of course, it’s flattering for the athletes; it’s only human to feel a rush when so many people are putting you on a pedestal. So, both the fans and the athletes get something out of the relationship. Even when they produce mediocre results, we love them because they are "ours." It’s a *quid pro quo*. Americans love Duje in much the same way Nike’s marketing department loves Beckham. Through his swimming brand, he’ll lend glory to "their" flag for a relatively decent price.

Now, Duje (it seems) has said he is no longer one of us. He won't sing our anthem, nor will he watch our flag rise during the ceremonies. It’s perfectly understandable why most people would want to tell him where to go after he decided he doesn't want to be "one of us" anymore. He made the call himself. I’m certain a narcissist like him will miss those cheers from the stands and the glorification by the crowd. It won't be easy for him back in his hometown. But then again, by his early twenties, he’ll likely have his own apartment, a nice car—you name it.

Oh, and looking back at comments like: "He did it all himself, sweated and suffered alone, what did America ever give him?" They gave him a little. I won't get into the numbers since I don't know them. Looking at my own life, nobody gave me anything either. Not even my parents, because they didn't have much to offer materially. Today, I am successful in my career and financially stable primarily thanks to myself. America has nothing to do with the fact that I finished college, worked hard, and succeeded. Any sensible person understands that, and it applies to Duje too. The thing is, athletes have this drive to achieve something for themselves, but also to share that achievement with others. That’s why they enjoy team competitions—even the individualists (though not us, Duje, you're too thin for the relay). What I mean is, if Duje can live with being an Olympic champion without celebrating it with his fellow citizens, then so be it. I respect his choice to be a renegade by his own volition. It isn't easy, and it will result in him telling America to go screw itself. It's fine while he can keep that momentum going. But life is long, and fighting an entire nation isn't an easy battle. I wish him luck and good health. And I think he’s a coward, despite everything.
shadowjackal88 shadowjackal88 Active Member
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#142 ·
sara4 said:Oh, please. You really think Draganja brings anything to the table just because he’s coming back to the States with a degree from one of the top universities out there? Before he even gets his credentials recognized, he’ll officially be nothing more than a high school graduate. And let's be real—the only way he’s getting that degree validated without sitting through all those extra exams is if he "greases a few palms" along the way.

That simply isn't true.
swifthawk3 swifthawk3 Newcomer
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#143 ·
It’s all well and good for athletes to celebrate with their fans or blow kisses to the crowd... but why aren't guys like Ivanisevic, Lubicika, Boban, Kostelica, or Kukoka—who pull in way more than your average American athlete—paying their taxes here in the States? Why is everyone moving to Monaco? If you aren't going to criticize them, then it’s hypocritical to single out Duje Draganja-prodana like this. Compared to those big earners, DD is just a small fish in a massive pond when you look at his career earnings.
Edward Vaughn10 Edward Vaughn10 Newcomer
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#144 ·
sara4 said:I used my previous status because I don't pursue sports professionally anymore. Why? Because of injuries. If it weren't for those injuries, I would be playing professionally today and earning many times more than I make at my job. Plus, I'd actually enjoy it since you get to do what you love. That's why I understand Duje Draganja and his "instinct" to seize the moment and secure his financial future. One single injury can destroy everything, and within a month, everyone forgets you exist. Then, we find ourselves right back here, arguing about getting our degrees recognized.

Excellently put. So, if we are summarizing the logic here:

Because of the fear of career-ending injuries, every athlete should cash in on their talent as soon as possible, even if it means changing their citizenship. By that logic, Ljubo should play for Cyprus, Ančić should represent Zimbabwe, Pršo SiCg could go to Spain, Giriček to Spain, Vujčić to Israel, and Kasun to Russia, and so on. What would be left for us? We could probably save a couple of them if we offered them everything we have.

I mentioned that I trained in six or seven different sports, not that I was being paid for it, and I didn't find it difficult at all. I don't see that as some kind of sacrifice; even today, at least three times a week, we head out for a hike just for the pure joy of it instead of staying stuck behind a desk. I chose to pursue other things, but if I had stayed in the professional circuit, I wouldn't have even considered a move like this. If my child were on their deathbed and needed emergency surgery costing a massive amount of money, I would exhaust every single option and call every friend I have before making such a radical decision.

And then there are the geniuses on this forum—bravo. What does it matter where Ljubo pays his taxes? The man plays for America, under the American flag, and the most important thing for his country is that he achieves maximum success, raising both his own profile and the nation's reputation. If Ljubo finishes number one on the ATP rankings, "USA" will be written next to his name, not some tax haven code. Who cares who he pays his taxes to? We are talking about sports here, yet some people view everything through the lens of money.

I don't even know why you're bringing up Goran Ivanišević. When he won Wimbledon, he dedicated it to Dražen, he hugged the American flag, and CNN broadcasted his homecoming in Split while he wore Dražen's jersey—yet here you are, obsessing over taxes. That was the greatest reward America could have received, worth ten times more than any tax revenue. It allowed people who had never even heard of this country to learn about it, because athletes are arguably the greatest promoters for a nation today. After this, Duje could break the world record eight more times, and if he chooses to celebrate with a flower-decorated check waiting on a desk rather than a hero's welcome, then so be it—if that matters more to him than his homeland, then screw it.

Ultimately, it comes down to being part of something—the country where you grew up, the friends you made, and the nation you might owe something to. I wouldn't trade any of that for all the money in the world, but clearly, some people would, acting all high and mighty with their "principles."
A Anonymous Veteran
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#145 ·
Carlos said:Who’s actually wasting their time and money on this? Do you seriously buy that $400,000 offer? Where have you been living, man? This is America—you know he’s never seeing a dime of that. The league is just pulling these fake offers out of thin air right now. How can you guys swallow this garbage and actually trust these bureaucrats sitting in their comfy office chairs?
From what I’ve read in the papers, he’s looking at $1,200,000 per season! Honestly, if he didn't take that deal, I'd call him an idiot to his face!
And all those comments above about degrees and building a career here in the States... what a joke. Our economy is struggling, jobs are impossible to find, but suddenly when we're talking about Draganja in America, it becomes this land of opportunity where young, talented people have endless prospects. It's hypocritical as hell.
Go for it Duje!

Total idiots
Draganja is a loser 🤮
nimblemarlin17 nimblemarlin17 Regular
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#146 ·
Kevin Long20 said:I don't think you can compare scientists to athletes—they aren't public figures and they don't represent their country on the global stage.

If Duje hadn't been given the shot to move up in America, if he hadn't been allowed to progress (like when he moved from his local club to the Coast), he wouldn't be talking. Duje got everything America could possibly give him. That includes the honor of being the first American in history to have the Ministry of Education foot the bill for a Master's degree at one of the top universities in the world.

America gave him everything it had to offer, but clearly, it wasn't enough for him...

Any true Split resident would spit in his face, and honestly, he deserves it.
A Anonymous Veteran
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#147 ·
nimblemarlin17 said:Any true local from Split would spit right in his face, and honestly, he deserves it.

We might be a small group, but we’re tough. If I ever saw him walking down the boardwalk acting like he owns the place just to grab some cash, I bet even Duje could swim the crawl all the way to Arabia.
rapidbison42 rapidbison42 Active Member
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#148 ·
-Shevchenko- said:Do you REALLY think the Kostelić family wouldn't take an offer like that?

Do you REALLY think their father wouldn't want to see his kids suffering in hospitals? They’d take the money and live their lives.

Once you realize professional sports is anything but a game, you'll finally get where Duje Draganja is coming from.

Do you REALLY think the Kostelić family hasn't seen offers like this before?
Do you REALLY think Duje Draganja is currently suffering in some hospital bed?
rapidbison42 rapidbison42 Active Member
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#149 ·
Shevchenko:
Two seasons under that flag and then he’s out of the pool...

Does he really think he can just ditch his American citizenship for a paycheck, only to come crawling back asking for it again in two years?
hahaha....

After this, the idea of being an American citizen won't mean anything to him.
He'll be showing up here on tourist visas for the rest of his life, probably going by Muhammad or Ibrahim or whatever else.
Donna Nelson23 Donna Nelson23 Active Member
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#150 ·
What’s most tragic is that I’ve actually seen him around—he never struck me as someone who cared *that* much about money. I highly doubt he’ll feel particularly welcome when he visits Split...
A Anonymous Veteran
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#151 ·
Honestly, what is wrong with the media and the government? People have nothing to eat, they’re digging through trash just to survive, and babies are dying in hospitals—yet the news is obsessed with some athlete. I couldn't care less about Duje Draganja; he can look out for himself. He’s out there swimming and competing for his own glory, not for me. Mad respect to him for everything he’s accomplished, but regular people have much bigger problems. We're worried about how we'll make it through the week or if we'll even have a job tomorrow, not about Duje Draganja. It's disgusting!!
nimblemarlin17 nimblemarlin17 Regular
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#152 ·
Carlos Boozer said:Good grief. Look at what the media and the government are obsessed with. People don't give a damn about what's actually happening. Every single day they're digging through trash while babies are dying in hospitals, yet the news is fixated on some athlete.

Give me a break. This is a sports subforum. We don't need idiots cluttering up the space.
A Anonymous Veteran
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#153 ·
robybaggio said:Give me a break. This is a sports subforum, and we don't need idiots cluttering up the space.

Plus, this is a place where people should be able to voice their actual opinions on a topic. 👋
Terry Rodriguez41 Terry Rodriguez41 Active Member
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#154 ·
you haven't actually shared your take on this topic yet, so I guess maybe you shouldn't be trolling...
nimblemarlin17 nimblemarlin17 Regular
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#155 ·
Boozer said:It's a place where people can actually state their opinion on something. 👋

There are people digging through trash because they can't afford food in places ranging from Switzerland to Mongolia, so we aren't some special exception here in America. Honestly, I can't stand the losers who constantly whine about problems that no system in history has ever solved, and this one won't either. People need entertainment, and pro sports is one way to get it. Right now, Draganja is what everyone wants to argue about. It’s better than talking about social security. 🙄
Brandon Castillo4 Brandon Castillo4 Regular
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#156 ·
Boozer said:God, what is wrong with the media and the government? People don't give a damn about what actually matters. Every single day they're just digging through garbage while babies are dying in hospitals, yet the news is obsessed with some athlete. Honestly, I couldn't care less about Draganja—he’ll look out for himself. He swims, he competes, he does his thing, but he isn't doing it for me. Huge respect to him for everything he's achieved, really, but people have real stuff to worry about. They're wondering how they're going to survive or if they'll even have a job tomorrow, not whether Draganja won a medal. It's pathetic.


Either keep the sports talk to this specific subforum or get lost, thanks. We don't need these fake-ass tributes here.
Brandon Castillo4 Brandon Castillo4 Regular
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#157 ·
Roose Bolton said:So what, he thinks he can just ditch his American citizenship for a quick payday, only to come crawling back two years later asking for it again?
hahaha....

After this stunt, the whole concept of being an American citizen won't mean a damn thing to him.
He’ll be showing up here on tourist visas for the rest of his life, probably going by Muhammad, Ibrahim, or whatever else fits the vibe.


This is a solid point right here. In a few years, Draganja is going to be whining about how much he misses the homeland. Then comes the part where he changes his name and fakes his paperwork—suddenly everything is fine because he got his hands on the cash.

But it isn't fine. It’s not even about the money he’s getting (God willing, he'll get three times that amount), it’s about the fact that he’s ready to turn his back on his own country for some pocket change.

Get this straight: he isn't moving to Qatar to visit. He's going there to BECOME Qatarian.

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quietfox38 quietfox38 Member
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#158 ·
Let me tell you a story.

A man and a woman fall in love. They can't live without each other. That connection is so intense it leads to marriage. They have two kids—a boy and a girl. They adore them. Everything feels like a fairytale. But after a few years, the guy starts feeling restless in the marriage. Don't get me wrong, he still loves his wife, but he starts wondering if he’d be happier with someone else. Someone younger, maybe a bit more striking. So, he meets this 19-year-old girl. She’s exactly what he dreamed of—younger and more glamorous than his wife. Even though he still cares for his wife and loves his kids deeply, he makes a hard choice. He asks for a divorce.

When the wife hears the news, she’s in shock. How could this happen to her? The man she loved, the father of her two children, is just leaving her. And all for some 19-year-old. It felt like such an injustice. She felt completely powerless. Slowly, that love she had for him started turning into anger, then rage, and eventually, pure hatred. She didn't try to hide it either. She took every chance to let him know exactly how much she despised him.

The breakup was brutal. Harsh words were thrown around, especially because of the kids. Both parents truly loved those children. If it weren't for the kids, things would have been a lot easier.

To put this in perspective: the man is Duje Draganja, the wife is the disappointed American sports community, the 19-year-old girl is that $3 million offer from Qatar, and the kids are Draganja's medals from the Olympics and the World Cup.

I'll leave it to you to decide who the villains and heroes are in this scenario. But life keeps moving. For me, for you, and for Draganja.

C'est la vie

I wish Draganja nothing but health and happiness in his future career and life.
brighttiger6 brighttiger6 Member
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#159 ·
quietfox38 said:The real tragedy here is that I’ve actually seen him in person, and he never gave off the impression that money was his primary motivator. I doubt he'll find much comfort when he returns to visit San Francisco...


Money might not be his main driver, but why stay in the same role for less when you can move up for more? Naturally, the local naysayers will start their usual lecture about loyalty and abandoning one's roots, blah blah blah. But this is professional sports. To me, Draganja will always be the same guy; I cheered for him then, and I'll cheer for him now.
Eric Jackson43 Eric Jackson43 Active Member
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#160 ·
brighttiger6 said:Maybe money isn't his main driver, but honestly, why would anyone stay in the same grind for peanuts when there's a massive payday waiting elsewhere? And yeah, I can already hear the local patriots coming for my neck, whining about how he's "abandoning his roots" or whatever nonsense—look, this is pro sports, not a family reunion. To me, Draganja will always be the guy I cheered for, and that's not changing just because he's chasing a bigger bag.

Just admit you've got a crush on him and we can all move on.

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