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Duje Draganja: Sellout or just misunderstood?

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rapidbison42 rapidbison42 Active Member
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#541 ·
darkjackal70 said:Look, you can pick your own major and direction... plus I'm pretty sure about basketball... if your GPA isn't at least a 4.0, you aren't playing or coaching NCAA ball. I know this for a fact—I had a few acquaintances in that boat—and I’m certain I read it online somewhere too...😉

Besides, you can't really compare athletes at those elite universities to regular students tackling much harder, more complex majors they chose for themselves. Most athletes probably pick easier subjects because of their training schedules anyway. It's not like the degree is their top priority. Their main goal is performing on the field to land a spot on a pro team (mostly talking about basketball, football, or baseball players...).

Give me a break...
Two absolute idiots from my high school class managed to get through college in the USA entirely on basketball scholarships.
They couldn't even solve a basic quadratic equation.
And here we are reading about how Duje Draganja is some kind of genius Berkeley student who studies while simultaneously swimming laps in the pool.
It's honestly laughable.
rustystag7 rustystag7 Member
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#542 ·
L. NimoyInvadesMetal said:Everyone backing Duje’s move to jump ship for the cash keeps bringing up how we lost one of our best athletes right during the big swimming championships. And honestly? I don't even blame him for it—it's just the way he's willing to ditch his citizenship that gets to me. Look, obviously everyone wants to make sure they can survive, you know? When you're in your early 20s, everyone's acting all patriotic and loves their country, but once you hit 35, have two kids to feed, and you're counting every single dollar just to make rent next month... yeah, that's a whole different story. I get it.
And I'm not one of those people who's suddenly gonna "hate Duje from the bottom of my soul" or wish him some kind of injury or whatever. I just don't think like that. I'd much rather see the kid stay healthy and keep swimming. I'm not an idiot; I don't go around wishing bad luck or accidents on anyone. I don't really do hate, especially not toward someone in the sports world. It's like, whatever, I don't care that much. I hope he stays safe, good luck to him, and I hope he hits those goals he has to secure his future and all that...

But I just hope he doesn't start crying later or act surprised when the US treats him like any other foreign citizen. It’s not about "revenge" or anything; it’s just standard protocol. Like that old saying goes, "You can't sit on both sides of the fence." You really can't.


I am totally with you on this! I don't hate him or wish him ill either, but if you look at my old posts, you'll see I definitely hold it against him for giving up his citizenship for a quick buck!!

This stuff hits close to home for me because I had a relative back in the day who gave up his citizenship in '98 just so he wouldn't have to deal with the military draft over there. As if they were actually gonna come looking for him!! In my eyes, he isn't any better than Duje!!

The reality is that nowadays, people in America seem to view everything through the lens of money. Most of them are just folks with families who would do anything for them, but Duje definitely isn't one of those guys!!

I mean, I think every kid's dream is to become somebody, to achieve something big in life. Personally, I think Duje could pull that off on his own without selling himself out for some peanuts!! Let's be real, money might seem like a fortune to us, but for him, it's probably pocket change since he's likely got plenty sitting in his bank account already!!
I just hope the government doesn't try to hand him his citizenship back. I don't mean that maliciously; I just want them to treat him exactly like any other citizen who walked away from their country.
Carl Brooks22 Carl Brooks22 Member
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#543 ·
Jonathan Clark12 said:Sorry, I wasn't reading what you wrote, which is why I mentioned gips.
I see you added him to your imaginary list as well.
Speaking from experience, I know gips doesn't support that at all, so I'll pass on your fake posts. It turns out I was right not to read them.
I refuse to trade insults with liars, so 👋

... You can find an interview with gips in yesterday's Sports Illustrated (Sunday, 11/13/05)—that’s Janica and Ivica’s father, if you can manage to follow along on the middle pages—where he touches on Dujin's decision.
I have no intention of quoting the paper for you or summarizing it—perhaps your guardian could handle that since they're the one letting you use the internet...
quietcobra30 quietcobra30 Member
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#544 ·
rustystag7 said:I mean, let’s be real—every kid grows up dreaming of making it big and actually accomplishing something meaningful. I honestly think Duje can get there on his own merits without selling his soul for some peanuts. Sure, that kind of money sounds like a fortune to us, but for him? It’s pocket change. He probably has that much sitting in his bank account already.

Classic internet commenter right here—so "well-informed" that he's basically an expert on everything. Isusek, Isusek... what's going to become of us? As they say back home in the Midwest.
rustystag7 rustystag7 Member
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#545 ·
quietcobra30 said:Just your average internet debater—super informed and therefore, totally an expert on everything. Man, Isusek... what’s gonna happen to us? Just how we say back home in the Midwest.

I mean, I think you were just complaining a second ago about how people don't actually debate you with logic, they just act like cowards. Like, you're doing it right now—where's the actual argument??🙄
Alex Young7 Alex Young7 Newcomer
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#546 ·
Carl Brooks22 said:Of course not... you missed the point—or maybe I buried it too deep. I’m talking about the fact that our basketball players, who claim to defend the "holiest jersey" (not to mention the irony of some holding onto those precious jerseys featuring six torches or the red and white checkers), retire from the national team in their late twenties—think Gira, Vuja, Mulaomerovic... after the era of Radja, Kukoc, and Stojka. They haven't won anything at the senior level—that first trio could have done more—whereas if they had stayed, Duje might have even secured two more world medals to add to his collection... but apparently, that's just another complication for him—we're missing out on what should be his future achievements.

In my view, the real "betrayal" is the decision by guys like Gira to quit the national team during their absolute prime—when they could contribute the most! In sports like basketball or soccer, where these players have already secured their livelihoods through club contracts, they should be the backbone of Team USA! But no—Gira, Vujcic, and whoever else decides to bow out just to get a little extra rest, or because they're frustrated with referee calls at the European Championships! Give me a break... or look at the soccer players haggling with the federation over whether they'll play the Euro if they advance past the first round of the World Cup, and so on...

On the other hand, you have this swimmer—a class act and immense talent, which he's proven with the medals he's brought home for the US so far—more than all the other sports combined (except handball) over the last few years. He lives and studies in America, which certainly isn't cheap; he trains as hard as any pro basketball or soccer player, constantly flying back and forth between the US and home for club duties and various national championships. That costs money... and given everything he's achieved and will undoubtedly achieve, he receives a government stipend $2.25!!! To an average person, that might seem like a lot, but considering his obligations, travel, specialized nutrition, supplements, and a mountain of other expenses, it’s nothing...

Yet that same government—the one that supports a man who represents us globally and brings us moments of pride—gives such a stipend to a swimmer, also gives every single member of Congress $5.00 plus paid housing and meal expenses!!! We're talking about people who sleep through sessions, scroll on their phones during debates, show up for two hours, take notes, and leave... people who get free phones and cards, and as recently reported in the news, blow massive amounts of taxpayer money on private luxuries, behaving utterly unprofessionally during televised sessions for the whole country to see!!! 😠

Personally, I'd much rather see our tax dollars go toward larger stipends for elite athletes instead of the aforementioned nonsense... or better yet, instead of being used recently to refresh the expensive vehicle fleet for ministers, because apparently, a four-year-old Audi needs to be replaced with the latest model!!! Imagine the disgrace if the Speaker of the House drove anything other than a brand-new Audi with a personal chauffeur available 24/7 (since the man clearly needs his drinks after work)!!!

As long as this power dynamic exists—where a top-tier athlete like Duje Draganja receives such meager support while astronomical sums are wasted on the whims mentioned above—I stand firmly behind Duje's decision and wish him nothing but the best in his career! 👍

And when he competes—even if he’s swimming under a different flag—I’m still pulling for him just like always.
A Anonymous Veteran
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#547 ·
Alex Young7 said:Then you look at this guy—this swimmer who is just pure class. He’s got massive talent, and he’s proven it by bringing home more medals for the US than almost every other sport combined over the last few years (well, maybe excluding handball)...

I think we’re forgetting about Janica....🙄 🙄
quietcobra30 quietcobra30 Member
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#548 ·
rustystag7 said:I think you’re the one talking out of both sides of your mouth here—claiming people don't use logic against you, just insults. Well, look at you right now. Where exactly is the actual argument?🙄

I’m sure you’re much better informed than me or anyone else on this forum, since you "know" exactly how much Bahrain is handing him. Where did you get that intel? Got some secret inside track, or are you just your typical internet contrarian?
The whole point is that Duje doesn't actually have the cash he needs to hit those top-tier results and finish his Master's. And then you claim he sold out for peanuts? He hasn't even done that yet, and honestly, he probably won't. We’re talking about a million dollars here! You call that peanuts?!
Typical contrarian behavior, isn't it?
Bring some actual arguments to the table instead of just throwing around insults.
darkjackal70 darkjackal70 Member
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#549 ·
rapidbison42 said:Give me a break...
A pair of absolute idiots from my high school class managed to land themselves in college in the States, all thanks to basketball.
They couldn't even manage to solve a basic quadratic equation.
People around here seem convinced that Draganja is some kind of academic prodigy at Berkeley, supposedly multitasking his way through deep water and higher education simultaneously.
It’s almost comical, really.

It seems you haven't actually read what I wrote... You’re just cherry-picking topics.😉 It’s exactly like high school all over again. You make your own choices; nobody dictates your playlist based on which major you picked at college. If they didn't recognize the graduation ceremony, they probably weren't even there for the studies themselves.😉

As for Draganja, it’s hardly a laughing matter. Just look at his dedication when he isn't in the pool—he dives headfirst into exactly what he set his sights on. And honestly, given the path he likely chose, it probably isn't even the most grueling discipline available at Berkeley.
Nobody is claiming he’s some kind of prodigy, but he'll finish that degree regardless. That said, if we're talking about the rigor of academics, comparing American universities to ours is an entirely different conversation altogether.
Brandon Castillo4 Brandon Castillo4 Regular
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#550 ·
quietcobra30 said:You clearly know way more than me or anyone else in this thread if you're claiming he already has as much money as Bahrain is handing him. Where's that info coming from? You either have some high-level inside connection or you're just some typical internet troll.
The whole point here is that Duje DOES NOT have the cash required to hit elite levels and finish his Master's. And then you have the nerve to say he sold out for peanuts!? He hasn't sold out yet, and honestly, he probably won't. We are talking about a million dollars here! Peanuts?!
A typical troll?
Lay out some actual arguments instead of hiding behind those nationalistic insults.

You keep shouting about "national greatness" and acting like we're all narrow-minded for thinking that way, yet you personally act like that very identity is a burden to you.

I mean, come on—wouldn't most people change their entire name to Al Zarqawi if it meant getting a million bucks? 🙄
quietcobra30 quietcobra30 Member
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#551 ·
So, we’ve got a brand new strategy on our hands. It used to be that if I—or anyone else actually trying to defend Duje—tried to make a coherent point, the comments would just devolve into mindless noise. Now, suddenly, it’s all about this sudden wave of anti-American sentiment. Real clever. Are you guys supposed to be geniuses? Apparently, if you dare to address the blatant lies my predecessor spread regarding Dujin's finances, or if you point out how everyone’s been trashing Duje from day one—while conveniently "forgetting" that the guy isn't even thinking about quitting, he's actually considering hanging up the goggles entirely—you're the problem. Instead of actually using logic or having an argument, you just get to shout "shut up" and call it a day.
Jonathan Clark12 Jonathan Clark12 Member
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#552 ·
Carl Brooks22 said:... check today's edition of ESPN (Sunday, 11/13/05). There's an interview with the guy behind Janica and Ivica—assuming you can figure out who that is—on the middle pages, and he touches on Dujin's decision.
I'm not going to sit here and summarize the news for you. Either read it yourself or have your guardian walk you through the internet...

Give me a break. You're just as delusional as the pathetic liars you follow.
The interview is on CNN too, and he explicitly said he would never do that. 👋
Stick your sports papers where they belong, and save the "I'm older and wiser" routine for someone who actually cares, kid.
I've been paying my taxes and bills for decades, so why don't you just get lost?
rustystag7 rustystag7 Member
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#553 ·
quietcobra30 said:You clearly know way more than I or anyone else here if you're claiming he's already got as much cash as Bahrain is offering him. Where'd you get that info? You got some inside track or are you just some guy loves to argue online?
The whole point is that Duje doesn't have the funds needed to hit those top-tier results and finish his Master's degree. And now you're saying he sold himself out for peanuts!? He hasn't sold out yet, and honestly, he probably won't. We're talking about a cool million dollars here! Peanuts?!
A typical internet debater?
Lay out some actual facts instead of throwing around insults.


I didn't send any insults, man. I'm just telling you for the second time: stop attacking my posts instead of actually addressing what I'm saying!!
Like I said before, according to the local news, Duje pulls in maybe $50,000 a year without even having sponsors!!
It’s not that he lacks money for elite training and his Master's, it's just that he wants to make a living too, which is totally fair!! And look, a $400,000 offer isn't exactly pocket change either! Maybe this whole thing was just a play to squeeze more funding out of the US Olympic & Paralympic Committee so the kid can actually afford to swim properly!! I'm rooting for him, sure, but if he ditches his citizenship to go swim for Qatar, good luck to him, but I'm done cheering for him.

But seriously, there's no million-dollar payout coming my way that would make me change my name and my country!! That's just how I was raised, man. Besides, I don't think having six Ferraris sitting in my garage would ever make me happy, especially not like that.
Carl Brooks22 Carl Brooks22 Member
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#554 ·
Jonathan Clark12 said:Unbelievable. You're just as delusional and pathetic as the liars you defend.
There’s an interview out on CNN too where he explicitly states he would never do such a thing. 👋
Stick your ESPN coverage where the sun doesn't shine, and save those tired comments about my age for someone who cares, kid.
I already pay my fair share of taxes and utility bills, so just back off.

Yesterday, some dog barked at me while I was getting into my car... I didn't even bother responding...
feralbison62 feralbison62 Active Member
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#555 ·
Honestly, if Duje actually reads this thread, he might just quit swimming altogether.
rapidbison42 rapidbison42 Active Member
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#556 ·
darkjackal70 said:You clearly misread what I wrote... YOU CHOOSE YOUR CLASSES...😉 Just like in high school... you choose. Nobody dictates what you listen to; it all depends on which major you picked at college... if they didn't know the math, they probably didn't study it either...😉

And dragging it out isn't funny... look at what he does when he's not swimming... he dives into whatever interests him and whatever his major requires... and that major he likely chose? It's probably not even the hardest thing available at Berkeley...
Nobody's saying he's some kind of special prodigy... but he'll finish that degree. As for whether American universities are easier than ours? That's a completely different conversation...

Look, we get it...

I only brought this up because this thread makes it sound like Draganja is some kind of genius scholar at Berkeley...
rustystag7 rustystag7 Member
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#557 ·
He’s heading to Qatar, he’s staying in the States, he’s leaving, he’s staying... man, it's a rollercoaster. But honestly? It looks like there's a massive chance this whole drama starring Duje Draganja ends with a win for American swimming. Just a few days ago, during a chat with vjesnik Dujin, his dad Pero was basically saying how blown away he was by the welcome they got in Doha, hinting that Duje moving to Qatar was a done deal. But then, overnight, everything flipped. In the "Draganja situation," we've got a total plot twist. Word from people close to the family leaked yesterday that Duje is actually going to take that sponsorship offer from State Farm and—get this—he's staying right here in the US!

CO is fast-tracking things
Over at our top insurance giant, they confirmed that a deal is super close—one that bumps up the total American offer for Duje to about $500,000 (between State Farm, PepsiCo, and various grants...). Ivica Žigić, the head of corporate comms, put it this way:
- Draganja is currently in talks with State Farm. Since we're looking at a scenario where the US could lose a world-class swimmer, we are moving as fast as possible through all the negotiation steps. We'll definitely let everyone know once we have a result. CO is really hoping Draganja keeps swimming under the American flag.
The weird thing is, the newspapers over in Qatar haven't printed a single word about a potential move for Draganjin. They say it's because they get hit with these "rejections" all the time and don't want to bum out their local readers. They pretty much wait until a deal is signed in ink before they even mention it.

Name changes happen all the time
- You won't see Draganja mentioned in the media at all, and honestly, I didn't hear much more even when talking to officials at the United States Olympic & Paralympic Committee. They aren't confirming or denying any contact with Draganja. But, I've realized there's definitely something going on there—said respected table tennis expert Zlatko Čordaš, who works as an instructor in Qatar, and he added a thought on something else that might have rubbed Duje the wrong way.
- It's pretty standard for athletes who take on Qatari citizenship to change their names too. We haven't really seen a case with white athletes before, so I can't be 100% sure, but I definitely wouldn't want to see Duje end up being called Abdulah.

Looks like our superstar is sticking around after all!! Patriotism won out in the end😁
Elizabeth Price2 Elizabeth Price2 Active Member
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#558 ·
crotomy said:looks like our superstar icon is staying put after all!! apparently patriotism and pure heart won out😁

Yeah, right—"won out," my ass!
I honestly don't know which part is more pathetic: the fact that he basically has to hold his career hostage just to get paid (threatening to go swim under a different flag) or the realization that maybe there isn't any other way for him to scrape together that kind of cash. Seriously, I can't decide who's more sleazy—the athlete himself or the shady sponsorship politics behind it all.
Anyway, here's a little something for the road🙂
rustystag7 rustystag7 Member
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#559 ·
Johnny Depp said:Man, I really stepped in it this time!
I honestly don't know which part is more depressing: seeing him forced into this kind of move—basically threatening to pack up and swim under a different flag just to get paid—or the fact that he probably doesn't have any other way to pull in that kind of cash. It makes you wonder who’s actually slicker here: is it Duje Draganja-prodana for playing those cards, or is it just the whole shady sponsor culture we're dealing with? It's a tough call.
Just to wrap all this up, here's one more thing for you guys...🙂

Man, I hate to say it, but I've gotta agree with you... like, 100%. From start to finish, you're spot on.
It’s a total mess, honestly. I mean, yeah, the guy is definitely making money in a shady way, but you can't just point fingers at him and call it a day. You gotta look at the government too. When you realize they barely invest a dime back into anything, it’s not even surprising that things end up this way. It's like leaving a garden untended and then acting shocked when the weeds take over everything.
Man, whenever I start thinking about that old stadium in LA... you know, the one they just let crumble away? It’s honestly depressing. I sit there wondering if they’re ever actually going to finish it, or if they’re just gonna keep letting it fall apart while they undo everything good that was already built. Honestly, seeing them mess up like that? It doesn't even surprise me anymore. Just typical.
I’m just sitting here waiting for some politician to start a massive war over why the Lakers or the Yankees are trash, or why our whole league is basically circling the drain. Like, honestly? It's hilarious. Because if you actually look at the numbers, they haven't even put real money into sports in general! They barely invest anything compared to what people think they're doing.
ruggednomad2 ruggednomad2 Newcomer
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#560 ·
No matter how this plays out, I find it hilarious that people are acting all heartbroken over his situation. Let's be real—he wins either way. He managed to rack up medals even with those "terrible" sponsors he's had up until now. What a joke. 🙂

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