CheckEmoji Community · the emoji forum
🏠 Home 🆕 What's new ❓ Unanswered 🔥 Popular 📡 RSS Members 👥 0 online log in · register
Home › Sports › Other Sports › Duje Draganja: Sellout or just misunderstood?

Duje Draganja: Sellout or just misunderstood?

Started by Scott Collins30 · · 👁 7 views · 878 replies

📡 Subscribe to replies

Participants Scott Collins30nimblemarlin17Roger Wells2Elizabeth Price2Zachary Alvarez8Brandon Castillo4rapidbison42Jacob Johnson70darkbear51Jeremy BaileyDavid Jackson2Paul Martinez3Eric Jackson43placidcanyon16Jose Miller3Kevin White9feralbison62casualjackal12Terry Rodriguez41feralpilot912Keith Anderson10Dana Rivera4Carl Brooks22Jack Campbell59 …
mellowbadger8 mellowbadger8 Member
15 messages
joined May 2006
#821 ·
rustystag7, this whole mess with the old man's sons and daughters running the show is something we've dealt with forever, and honestly, it’s nearly impossible to root out unless people start demanding actual results. If you just demand performance and foster some real competition, you might actually push the sport forward, but instead, we're stuck with the same old garbage we see in our domestic leagues. It's exactly like the situation you described with Inter Milan (or let's say, the local club in a small town like Des Moines, just so there's no confusion, haha).
It’s honestly pathetic. Look, building a stadium is fine, we need them, but I don't want to see massive amounts of cash being poured into projects only to mysteriously vanish into thin air through some shady bullshit. It's just another symptom of our corrupt associations. And don't even get me started on school gyms—those should be for students, period. They should be open for kids to play in for FREE day or night, not serving as a piggy bank for PE teachers and principals to line their pockets. It's been the same crooked practice for decades.
Everywhere in New York City, things just smell rotten.
That's why I'm right where I am; out here, it doesn't smell quite as bad.
The truth is, everything has to start from the grassroots level, not from the top down. The government needs to make sure sports are accessible to everyone, the regular folks. As for the elite athletes who move toward the professional ranks, they should be funded by sponsors and Olympic grants and stuff like that. The state shouldn't be footing the bill to keep "talents" trapped in the local system. Personally, I’d set it up so if they take government money or sponsorships, they have to give something back once they hit the big leagues. That way, those profits could flow back down to sponsor the next generation.
Brandon Castillo4 Brandon Castillo4 Regular
277 messages
joined Nov 2003
#822 ·
mellowbadger8 said:That’s exactly why I’m staying right where I am. It doesn't stink here.
Dana Rivera4 Dana Rivera4 Newcomer
2 messages
joined Aug 2004
#823 ·
Carl Brooks22 said:Just wanted to point out that even the guys over at ESPN got the news right... at least the specific part you were quoting from them.😉

I didn't say they weren't, I just said they have a habit of screwing things up sometimes. This time? Maybe they actually got it right.😉

mellowbadder8 said:Forget about Pesalov; he’s irrelevant, and those volleyball medals don't mean a thing either. You guys clearly have no clue what you're talking about when it comes to talent. In America, basically every woman worth mentioning is an Irina. It's just how it works.

Since you clearly think you're such an expert on the state of American sports, why don't you enlighten us? How much is that club actually offering foreign athletes to jump ship and join our local league? Give us the real numbers, sweetheart. What kind of annual budget are we talking about here?🙄

Of course, the budget is zero. There’s absolutely no money to support our athletes, let alone have them buying foreign talent like they do out in the Middle East. Those players showed up right when the Russians didn't need them anymore. To the Russians, they were nothing, but to us, they were absolute superstars. Meanwhile, the Russians were stacking up European golds three times in a row, while we just sat there collecting silver three times.😉 Look, this whole thing isn't even in the same league as that Al-Dhuyaddin situation. It’s ridiculous. Take Vastić—he was a total nobody to us, yet he was basically the MVP for those Austrian teams for seasons on end. Or Strupar; we barely knew who he was, but suddenly he’s some top-tier striker for the Belgians. Nobody gives them any grief for playing under a different flag because, honestly? We never needed them in the first place.

Carl Brooks22 said:In an era defined by instant gratification—instant soup, instant faith, instant lotteries, and those useless instant self-help gurus—unnamed decided to kick off the season of "instant citizenship" acquisitions. Maybe in a few years, we’ll actually be proud of one of the pioneers behind this whole movement.😉

God forbid things get any worse. Honestly, if those Qataris had their way, they probably would've shut down the Olympics entirely. Just imagine—diving competitions being held to the tune of the Qatari national anthem. What a joke.😲 Look, if they let that Qatar situation slide—you know, like when we had those ski jumping bronze medal controversies back in the 2010 Olympics—they might as well just shut the whole Games down right now. It’s a joke. They won't get away with this one. Eventually, some actual brains at the IOC are going to wake up and realize they can't just ignore this.😉

Look, regarding this whole sudden hype around swimming in America—it’s a massive boost for the sport, sure. Sponsors are going to be tripping over themselves to throw money at it now. We'll see new pools popping up faster than interstate highways, all under the same tired slogan: "Invest in swimming—you can never have enough stars." It’s pathetic how our swimming scene operates.

Carl Brooks22 said:In a country that’s basically auctioned off its coastline, handed over the telecom networks, and sold out the banks... everything's just up for grabs, isn't it?

Primitive right-wing populism? Honestly, I didn't see that coming from you. It feels like you’re just pandering to the crowd because most people around here hold these basic, low-level views, but it's still pathetic and totally out of left field. Whatever. I just hope that in the near future, the big banks in America are back in the hands of people whose bloodlines can be traced back to the original founding families from the 1600s—real Americans in the right positions of power. No matter how hard outsiders try, they'll never break the records set back in the 90s. We saw three failing banks go under this season alone, and who knows, maybe more will follow. Actually, scratch that. We should probably just hand them the entire coastline and the telecom industry on a silver platter. After all, only a true American knows exactly how to swindle, rob, and toss people out onto the street... oops, sorry, I meant how to grow a company, increase profits, and create jobs.
rustystag7 rustystag7 Member
31 messages
joined Jan 2006
#824 ·
mellowbadger8 said:.
It all starts at the grassroots level, you know? Not from the top down. Like, the government should focus on making sure sports are accessible to everyone, the regular folks. Then, if someone actually shows talent and wants to go pro, let sponsors handle them or maybe some Olympic grants or whatever. It shouldn't be the state's job to bankroll "rising stars" in America. Personally, I’d set up contracts where, if they get government funding, they have to give something back once they hit the big leagues. That way, the money cycles back into the system.

I mean, you're totally right about that, but man, nothing ever changes. It’s easy to talk the talk, and if everyone just took responsibility for their own piece of the puzzle, we'd be in a different world, but... yeah, easier said than done, right?!!
The other day, a buddy of mine was venting to me, just trashing the whole government, saying everything is rigged with bribes and corruption and whatnot. So I asked him, "Look, if you were speeding and a cop pulled you over, would you pay the ticket or just try to grease his palm?" And he goes, "Oh, I'd definitely try to bribe him!!"
So I just looked at him and said, what's the point of complaining about the system when you're ready to break the rules the second it suits you?
Carl Brooks22 Carl Brooks22 Member
33 messages
joined Apr 2004
#825 ·
Dana Rivera4 said:Primitive right-wing populism. I didn't expect that from you. It feels like you're just saying this to fit in with an environment that unfortunately holds such crude views, but it's still pathetic and unexpected. Regardless, I hope the banks in America will soon be back in the hands of people whose bloodlines can be genetically traced back to seventh-century pioneers—say, the Gucić or Kutle families. Real people in the right places. No matter how hard they try, they’ll never break the records from the 90s; three failed banks in one season, maybe even more. Actually, forget it. We should probably just hand them the entire coastline and the telecom companies too, because only an American knows best how to swindle, rob, toss someone onto the street—oops, excuse me, I meant how to generate profit, improve the company, and hire more staff.

Born in the dark, raised in a mixed marriage, a skeptic by nature—I'm probably not the best person to listen to this mini-lecture on economics, bloodlines, geopolitics, and the morality of Americans and other nationalities...
I actually agree with everything you said—except you missed why I brought up the idea of everyone being for sale... and how those who are most patriotic are often the most willing to sell out.
Even though this official figure of 4,000 properties sold to foreigners doesn't make me happy—unoffical numbers say it's 10x higher—it already points toward a future where we won't have to leave the US just to "sell ourselves" to outsiders...

I imagine you had better luck at the sportsbook, because while you hit the mark here, you missed the specific event 😉

And when you have the time—since you're clearly so well-informed—try to explain to me, simply, the difference in the American political spectrum between the populist right and, say, the elitist left; or perhaps compare a leftist like unnamed to someone nominally much more "right-wing" like unnamed... You can PM me, call me, or just start a thread in politics... if you can actually explain it...😉
Carl Brooks22 Carl Brooks22 Member
33 messages
joined Apr 2004
#826 ·
rustystag7 said:Let me put this in perspective: when you’re sitting on $500,000, $5 million doesn't feel like much more. It's plenty of cash, sure, but it's just ten times the amount, and it's great that you can make that kind of money quickly.

That's a rather awkward premise. I doubt anyone on this forum could speak from firsthand experience regarding those feelings—so until then, I'll remain skeptical of your logic.😁
Dana Rivera4 Dana Rivera4 Newcomer
2 messages
joined Aug 2004
#827 ·
Carl Brooks22 said:Even if that official number of 4,000 properties sold to foreigners isn't making me jump for joy—and word on the street is it's actually ten times higher—it's more than just a statistic. It's a sign that pretty soon, we won't even have to leave Beautiful NASA to find ourselves being "sold out" to outsiders...



I'll try to be brief (we both know that’s a lie, but whatever 😁). We'll join Europe eventually, sure. But that Europe is packed with hundreds of millions of humanoids—all kinds of Jergens, Larses, Francois, and similar nonsense. A huge chunk of those people will have the cash to buy a second home, a cabin, an apartment, or whatever else. Now, is a Jurgen going to buy a cottage in some tiny village in Germany or somewhere on the beautiful blue coast of America? In most cases, the answer is the coast. So, whether it's 4,000 or 40,000 doesn't really matter to me; there’s going to be way more of it down the road. And I’m not losing sleep over it. Only the people who get worked up about any humanoid having different hair color, crooked teeth, weird skin pigment, or God forbid, some other minor physical difference, are unhappy. Personally, I don't care about the "melting pot" thing. Having more foreigners around in the future doesn't bother me one bit.

I bet you had better luck at the bookie,

I haven't been betting much lately. I stopped reading Satyr's predictions altogether... I'm waiting until spring to bet against Slaven. It's a sure thing. 😁

And whenever you have the time—since you're such an expert—maybe try to explain, as simply as possible, the difference in the American political landscape between the populist right and, say, the elitist left, and/or maybe the difference between a leftist like Thomas and someone nominally "right-wing" like Sanader... you can DM me, call me, or just start a thread in politics... and hey, if you could actually make sense of it...😉

What difference? What left? What right?... Journalists need something to write about, I guess. You've got it all figured out, boss. 😉

Me starting a politics thread? Ha! Yeah, right. Cuba will become a vacation spot for US Presidents before that happens. 😉
Carl Brooks22 Carl Brooks22 Member
33 messages
joined Apr 2004
#828 ·
Dana Rivera4 said:My betting luck has been terrible lately. I've even stopped following the expert forecasts. I’m just waiting for spring to bet against Slaven; it's a guaranteed win. 😁

... betting on executives... my mistake... you'd have better odds playing the Powerball than going against Slaven...
This tournament has already made it clear that a bright, optimistic era is coming our way...
By the way, they recently gave seven cars to the blind—one Passat, three Golfs, and three Polos... The local soccer moguls won't touch those Polos; apparently, they're beneath them. Imagine the arrogance... all this traveling to Bahrain, Qatar, and the UAE...
Brandon Castillo4 Brandon Castillo4 Regular
277 messages
joined Nov 2003
#829 ·
Dana Rivera4 said:I’ve been having a rough run with my bets lately. Honestly, I don't even bother checking the Vegas odds anymore...

And that’s exactly why you’re losing.😁 You stopped paying attention, while I’m sitting here riding a 7-2 winning streak.🤣

🙂
Dana Rivera4 Dana Rivera4 Newcomer
2 messages
joined Aug 2004
#830 ·
L. NimoyInvadesMetal~ said:And that's exactly the point. 😁 You just stopped paying attention, while I'm sitting here on a 7-2 run. 🤣

🙂

😁 A 7-2 run? Please. You're just trying to bait me into your nonsense... you little devil.

p.s. yeah, I think Alizée is hot too. 😎
Brandon Castillo4 Brandon Castillo4 Regular
277 messages
joined Nov 2003
#831 ·
Dana Rivera4 said:😁 That 7-2 series? It’s practically baiting me into temptation... total chaos.

p.s. yeah, I’m with you, Alizee is definitely easy on the eyes.😎


Look, we all have a dark side. Stop fighting it.🤣 😁

Alizee 😍
rustystag7 rustystag7 Member
31 messages
joined Jan 2006
#832 ·
Carl Brooks22 said:Look, that’s a pretty controversial take... I don't think anyone on this forum could actually describe those feelings firsthand—and until they do, I’m definitely going to be second-guessing your logic here...😁

Well, you didn't totally trash the idea, so I guess there's some truth to it!!
Just look at the scale of it—we're talking pocket change here!!
If you only had $167 5,000 bucks, that's a huge deal for you, right? So how do you think someone who already has $17 feels about it? You gotta realize how much more tempting it becomes when the stakes are that high!!
I mean, the people who agreed to that 66% cut? They’d probably swim through sharks for a million dollars from Qatar, but Duje Draganja definitely wouldn't touch that for this amount, you know what I mean!!
James Hill41 James Hill41 Newcomer
5 messages
joined Sep 2005
#833 ·
Schoeman turns down Qatar and becomes a hero!

Unlike American swimmer Duje Draganja, world champion in the 50m butterfly, South African Roland Schoeman (26) rejected an offer from Qatar to swim under their flag, much like what that young Split resident might do one day. "I want to win medals only for South Africa. I know how much my people celebrate my wins, and that's the least I can do for my struggling nation," Schoeman said, while turning down a million-dollar deal from the Gulf state.
His patriotic move wowed Dr. Sieg Heydenrych, a South African native who’s been living in Canada for years, who immediately offered him a $40,000 sponsorship deal.
"Roland is a great guy, and I'm stoked by his decision. I want to use this contract to thank him for everything he does for South Africa," said Heydenrych. Two other South African companies have already announced similar moves to show their appreciation to Schoeman for staying loyal to his roots.
At the recent World Championships in Montreal, "The Rocket" broke the 50m butterfly world record twice. He clocked a 23.01 in the semifinals and went even faster in the finals with a 22.96, making him the first person in history to swim the 50m butterfly in under 23 seconds.

Man, Duje... you're such a total sellout...
rustystag7 rustystag7 Member
31 messages
joined Jan 2006
#834 ·
man, Schoeman's just soft🙄 what wouldn't he do if he could pull a move like Duje? Just head over to Qatar and swim around to keep everyone happy for a cool 5 million bucks. I mean, at the end of the day, money talks—or at least that’s how like 66% of Americans see it, anyway.

I'm just saying, Schoeman is actually a real athlete who's all about the results. Duje is just built different; from everything we've seen, his main goal is padding the bank account, and then he treats swimming like a side hustle.
A Anonymous Veteran
3.6K messages
joined May 2005
#835 ·
Check this out

Looks like Duje might actually have to change his name after all.

"What's your name?" the client asks the hooker

"Whatever you want, honey..."

🙂
rustystag7 rustystag7 Member
31 messages
joined Jan 2006
#836 ·
rustystag7 said:Check this out

http://www.foxnews.com/newsroom...39416/index.do

Looks like Duje might actually have to change his name after all.

It's kind of like when a customer asks a total jerk, "What's your name?"

And they just go, "Whatever you want it to be, honey..."

🙂


There was that whole thing about how you can only swap names if you switch up your religion or whatever, but honestly, I’ve said it before—nothing he does ever really catches me off guard.👎
lonemarlin lonemarlin Member
14 messages
joined Dec 2005
#837 ·
Did you catch him on TV?
I'm heading out to San Francisco this Saturday to cheer on Duja.
lonemarlin lonemarlin Member
14 messages
joined Dec 2005
#838 ·
Now Duo is posting as Moe.
lonemarlin lonemarlin Member
14 messages
joined Dec 2005
#839 ·
He’s training at the Rose Bowl today. They really should have charged him more for using those facilities.
Duje mentioned today that he doesn't care about what those South Africans decide and claims he knows nothing about it, though apparently one of the big reasons was that intense Qatari relay.
"Go ahead, just keep dreaming."
nimblemarlin17 nimblemarlin17 Regular
459 messages
joined Mar 2004
#840 ·
tiger said:I agree with you—our neighborhoods (especially in Miami) are seriously lacking free playgrounds. They’ve built all these fenced-in soccer cages where you have to pay just to step inside, they rent out elementary school gyms, and those few actual open spaces are always packed.

Every one of our athletes has had the chance to play for some other, wealthier nation.
And hey, good for them, I guess!
I don't hold anything against Duje; he made his choice, but I'm definitely not going to throw him a parade for it.

Honestly, I don't get it either. There’s this huge crowd of people cheering this move on. What exactly are they celebrating? Pure greed? 😕

You must log in or register to reply here.

Log in Register

🔗 Similar threads