Horror movieology!

quietdriver3 said:Honestly, it caught me off guard too—the remake actually holds its own.

But trying to stack it up against one of the absolute greatest horror films ever made? That’s just not a fair fight. 🙂

But why not!? Because Romero basically defined the whole zombie subgenre, right? But look, we aren't living in the 70s anymore... 😁 Personally, I actually found myself leaning more toward the remake... 😉

quietdriver3 said:You’ve completely lost it.

Are you seriously saying 4 and 6 are the best Freddy movies??? 😵

And 6 is one of the most original films ever made??? (I really hope this is just some hidden sarcasm that I’m totally missing here 🙂)

Honestly, 1 and 3 are the only things keeping Freddy from turning into just another generic sequel mess like Friday the 13th...

When did Wes Craven actually say that about Scream 2??? And things didn't just happen overnight; Kevin Williamson already had drafts ready for 2 and 3 from the very start.

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What an absolute load of nonsense. 🙂

So, by your logic, the first Halloween isn't even a horror movie either?

Then why on earth did you even post it in this thread? 🙂

Look, man, I don't know about you, but everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I've stated mine, but I'm really not going to take advice from someone who has only seen 2 out of the 7 films! To me, 4 and 6 are absolute classics! Period.

As for Scream, Wes Craven said it himself. He stepped down as writer for the sequel, so they had to rush to find someone new. Then Wes moved into a producer role instead, and he warned right away that the movie wouldn't succeed because they were under too much pressure with such a ridiculously tight deadline!

Noah Watson4 said:Why not!? Because Romero basically milked the zombie horror genre dry, right!? We haven't been living in the 70s for a long time now... 😁 Personally, I actually prefer that remake... 😉

Long live the remake! 👍

Brian Foster2 said:As for Scream, I think Wes Craven actually said it himself... if I remember right. He was originally the one writing the sequel, but he ended up stepping away from the script, and then they had to scramble to find someone else to take over the writing duties. Eventually, Wes moved into a producer role instead of directing. He basically warned them that the movie wouldn't hit the mark because they were forcing such an impossible deadline on him—just way too much pressure in too short a time, I guess.

I think you might have gotten things a little mixed up there regarding the third one, I guess.

Wes Craven actually directed all three films in the trilogy, though I think the screenwriter changed for the third one... maybe? I guess that's just how it went down.

As for Freddy... I guess we can just leave it at that. 🙂

Saying the Dawn of the Dead remake is better than the original—which was filmed during the absolute golden age of horror—is kind of like saying Sam Raimi's Army of Darkness from '95 beats out Leone's The Good, the Bad and the Ugly. At the end of the day, it's still just a copy of an incredible original.

Dennis Long7 said:I don't think 'A Nightmare on Elm Street' is a bad series either, though I haven't sat through the whole thing... just the first one and maybe the third. I guess I only dig it because it hits that teen horror vibe, but honestly, the original 'Halloween' and maybe the second one still outclass the entire 'A Nightmare on Elm Street' franchise...👎

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Brian Foster2 said:Look, I don't know about you, but everyone is entitled to their own opinion—I’ve made mine clear. However, I refuse to take advice from someone who has only seen two out of seven films in the series. For me, 4 and 6 are the absolute gold standard. Period.

As for Scream—Wes Craven actually said it himself. He walked away from directing the sequel because he was the one who passed on the script first, which forced them to scramble for a new writer at the last minute. Then, Wes stepped down from the director's chair to take over as producer instead. He made it crystal clear that the movie was doomed to fail from the jump—it was all due to the impossible deadlines and the massive pressure they shoved down his throat!

Look, man—you clearly have your movies mixed up.🙄
Double-check who actually directed and wrote Scream 1 and 2—just to be sure.
Regarding Scream 3—Kevin Williamson basically handed off the screenplay duties to Ehren Kruger because he ran out of steam. Just couldn't find the inspiration.
He gave him just enough pointers to outline the general direction the plot should take—nothing more.
Look, this was clearly a rushed job—the movie ended up being a total letdown compared to the first two entries in the trilogy. But hey, what can you do? Taste is subjective, I guess.

P.S. It feels like you’ve managed to drag this latest "cursed" nonsense into your usual obsession, too.

My apologies if I got things mixed up! It’s very possible since I haven't seen Scream in about six or seven years. I’m saying the first one is the gold standard, but the other two? Honestly, they kind of suck. To me, the sequels where they go "I know what you did last summer" and then "I still know..." felt like the exact same gimmick over and over. It was a pretty clever concept, but I was expecting way, way more from the franchise!

analogcobra31 said:Claiming the remake of Dawn of the Dead is better than the original—which was filmed during the absolute golden age of horror—is about as logical as saying Sam Raimi's Army of Darkness from '95 is better than Leone's classic The Good, the Bad and the Ugly. At the end of the day, it's just a copy of an incredible original.

It is a copy, sure, but it isn't a cheap imitation (and I'm talking about Dawn)! And let me just say, Dawn isn't *just* a copy. As much as we all respect and adore Romero, Zack Snyder crafted a perfect homage. He managed to bring the story into the modern era and gave the zombies a massive shot of adrenaline. If we're looking at this as his directorial debut, then it's absolutely FANTASTIC!

Brian Foster2 said:It’s a remake, sure, but not a cheap one (I'm talking about Dawn of the Dead)! And I should probably mention that Dawn isn't just some imitation. As much as people respect and absolutely adore Romero, Zack Snyder basically made a perfect copy here. He managed to pull the movie into the modern era and gave those zombies a massive adrenaline boost. If we're looking at this as his directorial debut, I guess you could say it's actually Fantastic!

But there's really one fundamental difference

Romero's film wasn't JUST about zombies...

His stuff goes way deeper than that... 😉

I should probably bring up Cannibal Holocaust too. Some people claim it isn't actually a horror movie, but IMDb says it is. I guess if you look at the English definition of horror—meaning terror or dread—then there’s plenty of that in Cannibal Holocaust.
I was reading about that Chinese film Man behind the sun being pretty similar in style. Has anyone seen it and want to weigh in?

Brian Foster2 said:My apologies if I got things mixed up—it’s entirely possible since I haven't seen Scream in six or seven years. I stand by my point: the first one is the gold standard, while the other two? Total letdowns. Honestly, I found it way funnier when they hit us with "I know what you did last summer" and that follow-up... it all felt like the same tired formula to me. It was a solid concept, sure, but I expected so much more!

I could go on listing all those "terrifying legends" nonsense lines from the first part—honestly, it's exhausting—but that whole "I know..." follow-up is just pure slander against the entire genre.
Honestly, "The Faculty" is the one movie where I’m genuinely baffled we haven't seen a sequel yet. It's right there—all that potential just sitting on the shelf.🙄 The Alien files.😕
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If you're a fan of the genre, I really can't recommend Uzumaki enough... 👍

http://www.horrortalk.com/reviews/Uzumaki/Uzumaki.htm

That whole thing about the spiral... 🙂 🙏

Lawrence Booth2 said:that whole "spiral" thing... 🙂 🙏

Oh, man! I just hope people don't go confusing a total dud like Spiral...

http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P...2.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

...with the absolute masterpiece that is Uzumaki! 😉

http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P...2.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

Just finished watching The Hollow... a sequel to Sleepy Hollow.

I’d honestly rather be hunted by a killer... at least that would be more engaging than this movie.

We should just start calling these types of """horror""" films
"another stupid teen horror"

Noah Watson4 said:If you're a genre fan, you need to check out Uzumaki... 👍

http://www.horrortalk.com/reviews/Uzumaki/Uzumaki.htm

This looks way too good!🙂

Man, if only our local video rental shops actually carried stuff like this...

Dennis Long7 said:Man, this looks absolutely incredible!🙂

I mean, if only our local video rental shops actually carried stuff like this...

Uh... I seriously highly doubt the distributors here in the States are ever going to pick this up for release! 😢

Dennis Long7 said:I wish Michael was some kind of human being, but Michael Myers just isn't.
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Nah, Michael Myers is... basically Hellboy! 😁 Born in hell, raised by demons, this whole "human family" thing is just a facade...

Version 2: Michael Myers is just a commercial product that refuses to stay dead.

The first Halloween is honestly pretty dull; the second part saves it slightly, the third one feels totally disconnected, and the rest are just unnecessary (though I've only really seen the 6th one or something, so maybe I'm not the best person to weigh in 😁). Then you've got Halloween: 20 Years Later—which is just a convenient commercial extension of the series that feels a bit monotonous compared to other modern slashers—and Halloween: Big Brother in the creepy house (where Jamie Lee Curtis dies in the most ridiculous way possible; it’s just a sequel meant to keep the franchise going so they can churn out another 30 of them).

Freddy is overrated. The first one is alright, the second is meh, the third is okay, and they really should have called it quits there, but they didn't—and that's the story of Freddy Krueger and A Nightmare on Elm Street.

I absolutely love the Scream Trilogy.

Freddy vs. Jason actually turned out to be decent. There were a million ways they could have messed it up (some people will say they already did! 😁)

Jason is just incredibly repetitive. I watched about two minutes of the second one before giving up. I don't really have any interest in watching Jason.

analogcobra31 said:It's truly strange how someone capable of making a film as solid as the voodoo horror The Serpent and the Rainbow can end up making something like Scream, which works as a thriller for a mainstream audience but is a total disaster for horror fans, landing right up there with Wrong Turn and similar flicks.

The issue is that you go into a movie expecting something specific and immediately try to slot it into predefined patterns or genres.

Wrong Turn isn't really a horror movie, but it's a phenomenal thriller and I quite enjoy it.

By the way, has anyone mentioned The Exorcist? I didn't really connect with it all that much (not even during the scene where the kid is struggling with the cross and yells, "Fuck me! Jesus, fuck me!"). It feels like the whole movie boils down to that one scene of a guy sitting by a lamp in the dark, and that bad parody in Scary Movie 2 (which is a bad parody regardless!). Still, I might check out The Exorcist: The Beginning; I saw a show recently that got me curious about it 😁.

Wrong Turn felt like an attempt to mash up TCM and The Hills Have Eyes into one single movie. Honestly? It didn't work. There wasn't anything fresh about it—the action just takes over everything, and you don't even get that sense of irony you find in Gordon or Sam Raimi's work. The leads are just irritating and totally wooden, and all that hollowed-out carnage and recycling of other people's ideas feels like it's just there for the sake of being there. In Wrong Turn, the violence is more laughably ridiculous than actually scary, which definitely wasn't the director's intention like it was in Re-Animator.

Noah Watson4 said:If you’re a true horror fan, you absolutely have to check out Uzumaki... 👍 It’s such a wild ride!

http://www.horrortalk.com/reviews/Uzumaki/Uzumaki.htm

Man, that was intense! I actually had goosebumps! 🙂