Steve Jobs (2013)

The movie drags on way too long, yet there’s just not enough actually happening.

Honestly, I think they would have been better off just making a mini-series—maybe four episodes, an hour each.

It wasn't anything particularly groundbreaking—I certainly wouldn't say it was the worst movie I've ever sat through—but it was undeniably tedious and dragged on far longer than necessary.

I thought they would have shown more, but I suppose they had to keep certain things under wraps due to non-disclosure agreements or whatever... who knows. All in all, I enjoyed the movie because I was curious about how Steve Jobs actually pulled it off and what his personality was really like. It offered a solid lesson that you should never give up; persistence truly pays off if you want to succeed. That said, Steve Jobs was such an intense workaholic and a real force of nature. As I mentioned, I feel they should have delved deeper into those aspects.

To put it simply, based on this movie—since I haven't read the books—Steve Jobs was basically the "glue." He grabbed a handful of geniuses who never would have made it on their own, molded them into icons, and used them to build his own legend.

You have to give him credit for the vision and the hustle, sure. But let’s be real: nowadays, people buy Apple products mostly just to signal their social status. Only a tiny fraction of a tiny minority actually rely on iMacs for the stability and quality. They hit the jackpot when the iPhone, iPad, and iPod became the big trends. And trends can be anything; they aren't some definitive metric for actual brilliance. Steve Jobs was a "business shark," but there's no shortage of those out there. Are we going to make a movie about every single one? No. Why? Because you don't see overpriced, unnecessary junk like the iPhone popping up every day—stuff that parents mass-buy just so their kids don't feel left out. Grandparents are out here buying iPads for three-year-olds, only to ship them all the way back to the US for repairs once the kid inevitably breaks it.

When you can't afford a yacht or a private jet, you might as well grab an elite smartphone just so you have something decent to brag about. Bravo, Steve Jobs. You managed to convince countless college students to blow their entire summer savings from seasonal jobs on an expensive device that they'll end up using to play games, just like that toddler I mentioned earlier. Apple’s slogan really should be: "From snobs, for snobs."

Ashton Kutcher wasn't exactly impressive in his acting. He kept squinting his eyes, clearly trying to project the image of some sharp-witted visionary with a brilliant idea, but he just couldn't pull it off.

You’re seriously underestimating Steve Jobs. The man had vision—real vision. He fundamentally reshaped how the world operates, starting with the Apple II, moving through the Macintosh, and culminating in the iPod and the iPhone.

It’s one of those things where you either have it or you don't, period. That kind of influence carries weight, sure, but if you're asking me, it's a negative one.

No, that's not the point. What kind of computers were we even using before the Apple II? Or the Macintosh?
What were you even listening to before the iPod?

What did cell phones even look like before the iPhone?

Sure, he assembled a circle of geniuses—but those geniuses were just executing his vision.

Computers and the internet changed the world. Not necessarily because of Apple computers and the internet. In fact, hardly anyone actually uses Mac OS these days. A massive chunk of users are still stuck on Windows XP. xD

What kind of "world-changing" impact from Apple are we even talking about here? 🤣

I used to listen to music on an MP3 player from some random manufacturer.

It's probably best not to argue with an amateur. Let them continue living in their ignorance... 👋

Hey, just tell me one thing: does the fact that I don't listen to music on my iPod automatically disqualify me from being an expert, or what? 🤔 😁

Besides, notice that I did say his vision deserves some credit.
And his influence certainly shaped the competition. That's why every smartphone and tablet looks exactly the same today. Then again, options aren't infinite; you can't just go out and design a triangular iPad. 🤣

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Man, this is actually pretty good.... 🤣 🤣

Austin Hill6 said:Computers and the internet changed the world. Not necessarily because of Apple computers and the internet. In fact, hardly anyone actually uses Mac OS these days. A massive chunk of users are still stuck on Windows XP. xD

What kind of "world-changing" impact from Apple are we even talking about here? 🤣

I used to listen to music on an MP3 player from some random manufacturer.

Exactly. If we're going to talk about the "computers" that actually shifted the world, we should be talking about Microsoft and Bill Gates, along with machines like the 386, 486, and Pentium that run MS-DOS and Windows, rather than some Apple gear.

Dennis Ritchie- what actually happens when you pass away during the same week as Steve Jobs..

Frank Moore4 said:Exactly. If we're going to talk about the "computers" that actually shifted the world, we should be talking about Microsoft and Bill Gates, along with machines like the 386, 486, and Pentium that run MS-DOS and Windows, rather than some Apple gear.

Why Bill Gates? The guy never had an original thought in his life. He just bought or stole them from everyone else... 🤣

Among other things, he "borrowed" quite a few ideas from Apple.

Kate Foster12 said:Why Bill Gates? The guy never had an original thought in his life. He just bought or stole them from everyone else... 🤣

Among other things, he "borrowed" quite a few ideas from Apple.

Look, if it wasn't for Microsoft, Apple might not even exist today.
I guess you have to wonder whose money the late Steve Jobs used to pull Apple out of the gutter back in the late nineties? 😉
So, it seems to me that Apple is such a massive, successful, and household name today largely because of Microsoft and the help they provided.

Austin Hill6 said:To put it simply, based on this movie—since I haven't read the books—Steve Jobs was basically the "glue." He grabbed a handful of geniuses who never would have made it on their own, molded them into icons, and used them to build his own legend.

You have to give him credit for the vision and the hustle, sure. But let’s be real: nowadays, people buy Apple products mostly just to signal their social status. Only a tiny fraction of a tiny minority actually rely on iMacs for the stability and quality. They hit the jackpot when the iPhone, iPad, and iPod became the big trends. And trends can be anything; they aren't some definitive metric for actual brilliance. Steve Jobs was a "business shark," but there's no shortage of those out there. Are we going to make a movie about every single one? No. Why? Because you don't see overpriced, unnecessary junk like the iPhone popping up every day—stuff that parents mass-buy just so their kids don't feel left out. Grandparents are out here buying iPads for three-year-olds, only to ship them all the way back to the US for repairs once the kid inevitably breaks it.

When you can't afford a yacht or a private jet, you might as well grab an elite smartphone just so you have something decent to brag about. Bravo, Steve Jobs. You managed to convince countless college students to blow their entire summer savings from seasonal jobs on an expensive device that they'll end up using to play games, just like that toddler I mentioned earlier. Apple’s slogan really should be: "From snobs, for snobs."

Ashton Kutcher wasn't exactly impressive in his acting. He kept squinting his eyes, clearly trying to project the image of some sharp-witted visionary with a brilliant idea, but he just couldn't pull it off.

It's hard to put this mildly: you have no clue what you're talking about. Not just in this post, but in everything else you've said in this thread. I won't dwell too much on the movie or Ashton Kutcher because the whole thing was a disaster. Instead, I'll focus on Jobs and the company during his final era. Look, if it weren't for the iPhone, iPod, and iPad, the world wouldn't look the way it does today. Why? Because those products revolutionized the entire industry. Just look around. Everything else is just a copy of a copy. Steve Jobs had vision—the kind of vision other companies simply lack. Just watch his product presentations. They are masterclasses. Those shows alone prove how deeply he understood what people needed, even things they didn't realize they needed yet (I think Steve himself said that). When you look at your smartphone, MP3 player, or tablet, you can forget they would ever look or function like this without him. Maybe they could have been better, who knows, but the fact remains that the iPhone, iPad, and iPod revolutionized their industries and will go down in history as the first and best of their kind. It isn't true that they are mostly bought for status (unless we're talking about kids); they are bought for exceptional quality and uniqueness. Please, look at Samsung's top-tier phones that cost nearly as much as an iPhone. They're built with cheap plastic, and don't even get me started on Samsung's software support. Anyone can say whatever they want, but Apple is unmatched in all of this. Period.

Is it strictly because of Microsoft? Are they really the sole reason Apple even exists today? 🍿

Yeah, I guess so.

stormycrane3 said:Yeah, I guess so.

Let's look at it this way—suppose the money came from Microsoft, but instead of Steve Jobs, someone else was running the show.
Would Apple be what it is today? Would it have even survived this long?...