Religion & Anti-religion subforum: the same old crowd and Meadow

rowdytiger13 said:The pressure being put on the moderators over on the Religion subreddits lately has been intense, and honestly, it’s being directed at some really decent people who don't act entitled at all.
I actually stumbled onto the Religion community by accident, but I stayed because the vibe was great—until now.
I feel bad about starting that "serieses and non-Muslims" thread; I have zero intention of discussing anything related to Islam ever again, and I’d suggest everyone else does the same, especially since people are now threatening each other with police involvement (if someone had told me that was happening, I wouldn't have believed them).

Morgan Carter said:I know you will end the discussion because your arguments lack substance. To you, insulting Islam, Muslims, and Muhammad is perfectly acceptable under the guise of "freedom of speech," yet you seem to find freedom of speech regarding other matters unacceptable.

And for what it's worth, I am writing from the United States if that is so vital to you. You are welcome to check with the administrators to verify that I am telling the truth.

Justin Harris12 said:You are one of the primary examples of what I am complaining about; you only need to look back at your post history to see it. You focus exclusively on Islamic topics while being incredibly sneaky about how you quote and twist people's posts. Sure, you can choose to avoid Islamic threads, but I doubt you'll actually stick to it. As for the moderators, they seem "good" to you only because they leave you alone; you write whatever you want, much like the user Nicholas Williams7, who was penalized tonight specifically because of me—otherwise, he wouldn't have been causing trouble. That’s my point. You, Anthony Perez9, Charles Wells71, Nicholas Williams7, Joe, and a whole bunch of other users think you can get away with anything because Tyler Cruz32 lets you. Personally, I have nothing against this moderator; I haven't met her and she might be a perfectly fine person in real life, but I am complaining about her handling of the Religion subforum, the overall state of that section, and what that subforum is turning into: a playground for anti-religion sentiment and an anti-religious dumping ground.

Posts claiming Muhammad was a pedophile or a murderer, saying Aisha was only six years old, or posting fake images of Muhammad that aren't even him—all of this is just blatant trolling, and it's being permitted simply because of the intolerance toward Muslims.

If the forum rules were actually respected—which is all I'm asking for—none of this would happen. Threads would be cleaner, higher quality, and someone might actually learn something about a religion. I have questions myself, but I don't intend to post them there because I know a handful of people will jump in to spread lies, falsehoods, and insults without facing any consequences.

Before this, I tried to resolve things through the proper channels by talking to the moderator and explaining what's bothering me, but she wouldn't listen. After just two posts, she banned me from further appeals. So, the moderator essentially publicly invites me to complain to the Administrator, but when I actually do it, it's treated like it came completely out of nowhere.

Bradley White73 said:I suppose I am wrapping this up, mostly because I feel like continuing this discussion in the direction you're heading might actually lead me toward a real aversion to an entire religion. I don't think that's particularly fair or okay, and I personally wouldn't want to let those kinds of feelings take root in me. So, I guess you just aren't someone I should be continuing to talk to. I've come across some truly wonderful Muslim forum members on here, and I'd much rather focus my energy on those positive examples instead. Take care.

Bradley White73 said:I suppose I am wrapping this up, mostly because I feel like continuing this discussion in the direction you're heading might actually lead me toward a real aversion to an entire religion. I don't think that's particularly fair or okay, and I personally wouldn't want to let those kinds of feelings take root in me. So, I guess you just aren't someone I should be continuing to talk to. I've come across some truly wonderful Muslim forum members on here, and I'd much rather focus my energy on those positive examples instead. Take care.

Morgan Carter said:Does anyone actually care what someone thinks about Muhammad? That isn't the point here. The real question is whether this rule applies to everything else, or if it specifically targets Muslims and Islam. Does anyone truly have the right to hold an opinion on Hitler that no decent human being would ever agree with?

Nicholas Williams7 said:Personally, I couldn't care less what your take on Hitler is, because we’re talking about Muhammad—the guy who, according to the lore, has basically populated hell with women. You've got them stuck in eternal torment in boiling water, being beaten with mallets and having their skins replaced every time they burn off, all while living under the thumb of a minority of men. And all of this is coming from a man who had sex with a child, a fact recorded in the hadiths, in the holy scriptures of Muslims themselves, and through the eyewitness testimony of Aisha.

If some people think this site is just some low-rent soap opera, that's their problem, not mine. ☕

Morgan Carter said:The fact that you lie and fabricate information is not my concern; quite frankly, I don't care. Your dishonesty doesn't affect me. You can act however you please. My only grievance is that you are granted this supposed "freedom of speech" while others are systematically denied it.

Nicholas Williams7 said:Where exactly is that happening, and who's being silenced?

Justin Harris12 said:So it's perfectly fine as long as one Muslim eats pork, skips prayer, drinks alcohol, allows Muhammad to be called a pedophile, and tells jokes about him? 🤷
Is that what it takes to fit in? Are all the others just not "okay" then?
Do you actually grasp the distinction between freedom of speech and the actual impact of what a person says? Are you really going to joke at someone else's expense when they clearly feel uncomfortable in your presence?
Do you honestly believe that newspapers or TV news stations should be running segments calling Muhammad a pedophile or a murderer, comparing him to Hitler, or broadcasting caricatures of him? It would look ridiculous, wouldn't it? So why isn't that happening?

I guess I wonder if people truly grasp the distinction between the concept of freedom of speech and the actual impact of what someone says out loud. It’s one thing to have an opinion, but it’s another thing entirely to express it. For instance, do you think it’s okay to joke around at someone else's expense, even if you know they're feeling uncomfortable in that social setting? Maybe there's a fine line there that gets blurred more often than we realize.
I wonder, do you think it would be appropriate for newspapers or TV news stations to start labeling Muhammad as a pedophile or a murderer, or even comparing him to Hitler and running caricatures of him? It would probably seem pretty ridiculous, wouldn't it? I guess it makes you wonder... if that's actually an option, then why on earth isn't anyone doing it? Maybe there's some reason I'm missing, but it seems like a missed opportunity, doesn't it?

Bradley White73 said:Quote : Guns of Brixton

I don't really know, for instance, what ROIBOSS eats for breakfast, whether he prays, or even what kind of jokes he tells, but personally, I find him to be incredibly polite. He’s definitely one of those positive examples you encounter here.

I guess I wonder if people truly grasp the distinction between the concept of freedom of speech and the actual impact of what someone says out loud. It’s one thing to have an opinion, but it’s another thing entirely to express it. For instance, do you think it’s okay to joke around at someone else's expense, even if you know they're feeling uncomfortable in that social setting? Maybe there's a fine line there that gets blurred more often than we realize.
I wonder, do you think it would be appropriate for newspapers or TV news stations to start labeling Muhammad as a pedophile or a murderer, or even comparing him to Hitler and running caricatures of him? It would probably seem pretty ridiculous, wouldn't it? I guess it makes you wonder... if that's actually an option, then why on earth isn't anyone doing it? Maybe there's some reason I'm missing, but it seems like a missed opportunity, doesn't it?

I guess it’s because people are either weighed down by a sense of guilt—or perhaps they're just reacting to the passive-aggressiveness you're using here—or maybe they're simply terrified of the fallout. There's always that fear of the chaos, the disorder, and the actual bloodshed that tends to erupt even after provocations that are far less intense than what you've written about.

Justin Harris12 said:Look, I agree with most of what you said, but let's be real: circumcision is basically a routine medical procedure in hospitals nowadays for hygiene reasons, regardless of any religious tie. That said, I wouldn't do it to my own kids, and I definitely don't plan to.

Justin Harris12 said:So it's perfectly fine as long as one Muslim eats pork, skips prayer, drinks alcohol, allows Muhammad to be called a pedophile, and tells jokes about him? 🤷
Is that what it takes to fit in? Are all the others just not "okay" then?
Do you actually grasp the distinction between freedom of speech and the actual impact of what a person says? Are you really going to joke at someone else's expense when they clearly feel uncomfortable in your presence?
Do you honestly believe that newspapers or TV news stations should be running segments calling Muhammad a pedophile or a murderer, comparing him to Hitler, or broadcasting caricatures of him? It would look ridiculous, wouldn't it? So why isn't that happening?

slycrane94 said:Weakening children isn't civilized behavior, regardless of whatever excuse someone tries to throw at it. Any data regarding the benefits of circumcision comes from Jewish and Muslim doctors, so if we're being honest, it’s inherently subjective.

Once they hit 18, fine, let them cut or stab themselves however they want, but until then, please just leave them alone.

Justin Harris12 said:Here’s the latest post where some user is getting away with talking trash about me and Muhammad. They’ll probably claim it’s all under "freedom of speech," while I’m certain they’ll try to find some technicality to get me flagged—maybe claiming an image is too big or something equally ridiculous. That's what I'm talking about.



http://www.reddit.com/showthread.php?t=480339&page=123

Regarding the police, let me be clear: I didn't say I was heading down to the station tonight. I was supposed to take everything over this evening, but I didn't make it. Tomorrow, though, I’m going to head over to the local Islamic community center a bit earlier to have a serious talk with them. I've already been in contact with them, and since they have people involved in politics and even on the City Council, I'm confident that if there's enough evidence, they will report this to the authorities. The police might not be able to unmask everyone behind these racist posts, but one thing is certain: they can shut down any platform that spreads racial and interfaith hatred. Don't kid yourselves into thinking you're running some untouchable site that exists outside of American law. If there's sufficient evidence, a court expert could easily request a temporary injunction to shut things down. I don't know exactly how it will play out, I'm just laying out the possibilities.

We'll see how Tyler Cruz32 and Nicole James respond, and we'll see exactly how things unfold on the Religion subforum firsthand.

Tyler Cruz32 said:The police can get involved; I am in favor of that.

I also agree that there is a specific group of users on Reddit who constantly lie, troll, and insult others. They refuse to acknowledge when they are being corrected, pretending they haven't even read what was said. To be perfectly honest, I have had quite enough of you all because of this. You have been mentally exhausting.

Furthermore, I previously reached out to Axon to ask if it were possible to trace these forum users' real identities through their Intel addresses and what legal steps could be taken. They can confirm I asked. I was told, however, that there isn't much that can be done.

Therefore, I AM in favor of police intervention!

Let the truth finally come to light!

Death to lies!

I must say, this is truly hilarious:

the third issue is the moderator Tyler Cruz32, who openly sides with the group I mentioned while simultaneously displaying blatant intolerance toward Muslims in the Religion subforum.

Nick, please write a summary regarding the bans here on Reddit.
How much longer must these distortions against me be tolerated?

Because, when one is accused of something they aren't doing, perhaps one should actually start doing it.

I believe I will take a month-long break from Religion.
I contacted the Stars today.

Justin Harris12 said:I’ve started this thread because I need to vent about the Religion subforum.
There are several fundamental issues with the Religion section right now.

First off, the subforum itself doesn't actually function as a space for religious discussion at all. Second, there is a specific group of users who constantly poison and troll every single thread that gets opened, regardless of whether they actually know anything about the subject matter; they just fabricate nonsense, and when serious users try to refute their lies with actual evidence, they simply ignore them by doubling down on more falsehoods and repetitive mantras until the more thoughtful contributors are completely exhausted. Lately, the Religion subforum has spiraled out of control, turning into nothing more than a breeding ground for insults and endless bickering.

The third issue involves the moderator, Meadow, who openly sides with the exact group I just described while simultaneously demonstrating an undeniable intolerance toward Muslims within the subforum.

In this thread, I intend to present evidence regarding the poor moderation of the Religion subforum and how certain users, alongside Meadow, are effectively destroying it.

I’d like to remind everyone of the appeal I filed regarding the Aisha thread and how poorly it was handled; what could have been a productive discussion was completely ruined. There wasn't even a real debate in that thread from the moment it opened—just a few posts before everything was moved from another thread's off-topic section. You all took the moderator's side in that instance, and now the thread is gone; if nothing is done, this will happen to every other decent topic on the site.

Expect the same group of trolls to show up here to try and obstruct this complaint as well.

I attempted to speak with Meadow directly to explain my frustrations with her moderation style in the appropriate feedback thread, but she shut me down curtly, telling me to take my complaints exclusively to the administrator via PM and warning me not to reply to her posts again.

posts 2356, 2357, 2358, 2359

A recent example is a post by an anonymous user on a serious topic titled "The Supernatural Works of Muhammad," where they posted a caricature of Muhammad to mock him, followed immediately by a post from another user saying, "Wow, you're so wicked," accompanied by a laughing emoji.

posts 64 and 65

posts 142, 143, 163
And finally, look at the moderator's post at 147.

posts 2967, 2971, 2972, 2974, 2975, 2977

posts 369, 371, 373, 375, 380

These are just the most recent threads and posts; I have clicked the report button countless times to no avail. How long is this mockery of believers going to be permitted in the Religion subforum?
Where does the freedom of atheists end and the protection of a believer's dignity begin? Is it really acceptable to ridicule someone just because they believe in aliens, God, or anything else that hasn't been scientifically proven yet?

Do those who don't believe in God or religion have the right to spread blatant lies under the guise of free speech whenever they feel like it?

I sincerely hope this is reviewed seriously, even though I am just one ordinary user.

Justin Harris12 said:I’ve started this thread because I need to vent about the Religion subforum.
There are several fundamental issues with the Religion section right now.

First off, the subforum itself doesn't actually function as a space for religious discussion at all. Second, there is a specific group of users who constantly poison and troll every single thread that gets opened, regardless of whether they actually know anything about the subject matter; they just fabricate nonsense, and when serious users try to refute their lies with actual evidence, they simply ignore them by doubling down on more falsehoods and repetitive mantras until the more thoughtful contributors are completely exhausted. Lately, the Religion subforum has spiraled out of control, turning into nothing more than a breeding ground for insults and endless bickering.

The third issue involves the moderator, Meadow, who openly sides with the exact group I just described while simultaneously demonstrating an undeniable intolerance toward Muslims within the subforum.

In this thread, I intend to present evidence regarding the poor moderation of the Religion subforum and how certain users, alongside Meadow, are effectively destroying it.

I’d like to remind everyone of the appeal I filed regarding the Aisha thread and how poorly it was handled; what could have been a productive discussion was completely ruined. There wasn't even a real debate in that thread from the moment it opened—just a few posts before everything was moved from another thread's off-topic section. You all took the moderator's side in that instance, and now the thread is gone; if nothing is done, this will happen to every other decent topic on the site.

Expect the same group of trolls to show up here to try and obstruct this complaint as well.

I attempted to speak with Meadow directly to explain my frustrations with her moderation style in the appropriate feedback thread, but she shut me down curtly, telling me to take my complaints exclusively to the administrator via PM and warning me not to reply to her posts again.

posts 2356, 2357, 2358, 2359

A recent example is a post by an anonymous user on a serious topic titled "The Supernatural Works of Muhammad," where they posted a caricature of Muhammad to mock him, followed immediately by a post from another user saying, "Wow, you're so wicked," accompanied by a laughing emoji.

posts 64 and 65

posts 142, 143, 163
And finally, look at the moderator's post at 147.

posts 2967, 2971, 2972, 2974, 2975, 2977

posts 369, 371, 373, 375, 380

These are just the most recent threads and posts; I have clicked the report button countless times to no avail. How long is this mockery of believers going to be permitted in the Religion subforum?
Where does the freedom of atheists end and the protection of a believer's dignity begin? Is it really acceptable to ridicule someone just because they believe in aliens, God, or anything else that hasn't been scientifically proven yet?

Do those who don't believe in God or religion have the right to spread blatant lies under the guise of free speech whenever they feel like it?

I sincerely hope this is reviewed seriously, even though I am just one ordinary user.

Justin Harris12 said:I’ve started this thread because I need to vent about the Religion subforum.
There are several fundamental issues with the Religion section right now.

First off, the subforum itself doesn't actually function as a space for religious discussion at all. Second, there is a specific group of users who constantly poison and troll every single thread that gets opened, regardless of whether they actually know anything about the subject matter; they just fabricate nonsense, and when serious users try to refute their lies with actual evidence, they simply ignore them by doubling down on more falsehoods and repetitive mantras until the more thoughtful contributors are completely exhausted. Lately, the Religion subforum has spiraled out of control, turning into nothing more than a breeding ground for insults and endless bickering.

The third issue involves the moderator, Meadow, who openly sides with the exact group I just described while simultaneously demonstrating an undeniable intolerance toward Muslims within the subforum.

In this thread, I intend to present evidence regarding the poor moderation of the Religion subforum and how certain users, alongside Meadow, are effectively destroying it.

I’d like to remind everyone of the appeal I filed regarding the Aisha thread and how poorly it was handled; what could have been a productive discussion was completely ruined. There wasn't even a real debate in that thread from the moment it opened—just a few posts before everything was moved from another thread's off-topic section. You all took the moderator's side in that instance, and now the thread is gone; if nothing is done, this will happen to every other decent topic on the site.

Expect the same group of trolls to show up here to try and obstruct this complaint as well.

I attempted to speak with Meadow directly to explain my frustrations with her moderation style in the appropriate feedback thread, but she shut me down curtly, telling me to take my complaints exclusively to the administrator via PM and warning me not to reply to her posts again.

posts 2356, 2357, 2358, 2359

A recent example is a post by an anonymous user on a serious topic titled "The Supernatural Works of Muhammad," where they posted a caricature of Muhammad to mock him, followed immediately by a post from another user saying, "Wow, you're so wicked," accompanied by a laughing emoji.

posts 64 and 65

posts 142, 143, 163
And finally, look at the moderator's post at 147.

posts 2967, 2971, 2972, 2974, 2975, 2977

posts 369, 371, 373, 375, 380

These are just the most recent threads and posts; I have clicked the report button countless times to no avail. How long is this mockery of believers going to be permitted in the Religion subforum?
Where does the freedom of atheists end and the protection of a believer's dignity begin? Is it really acceptable to ridicule someone just because they believe in aliens, God, or anything else that hasn't been scientifically proven yet?

Do those who don't believe in God or religion have the right to spread blatant lies under the guise of free speech whenever they feel like it?

I sincerely hope this is reviewed seriously, even though I am just one ordinary user.

Justin Harris12 said:I’ve started this thread because I need to vent about the Religion subforum.
There are several fundamental issues with the Religion section right now.

First off, the subforum itself doesn't actually function as a space for religious discussion at all. Second, there is a specific group of users who constantly poison and troll every single thread that gets opened, regardless of whether they actually know anything about the subject matter; they just fabricate nonsense, and when serious users try to refute their lies with actual evidence, they simply ignore them by doubling down on more falsehoods and repetitive mantras until the more thoughtful contributors are completely exhausted. Lately, the Religion subforum has spiraled out of control, turning into nothing more than a breeding ground for insults and endless bickering.

The third issue involves the moderator, Meadow, who openly sides with the exact group I just described while simultaneously demonstrating an undeniable intolerance toward Muslims within the subforum.

In this thread, I intend to present evidence regarding the poor moderation of the Religion subforum and how certain users, alongside Meadow, are effectively destroying it.

I’d like to remind everyone of the appeal I filed regarding the Aisha thread and how poorly it was handled; what could have been a productive discussion was completely ruined. There wasn't even a real debate in that thread from the moment it opened—just a few posts before everything was moved from another thread's off-topic section. You all took the moderator's side in that instance, and now the thread is gone; if nothing is done, this will happen to every other decent topic on the site.

Expect the same group of trolls to show up here to try and obstruct this complaint as well.

I attempted to speak with Meadow directly to explain my frustrations with her moderation style in the appropriate feedback thread, but she shut me down curtly, telling me to take my complaints exclusively to the administrator via PM and warning me not to reply to her posts again.

posts 2356, 2357, 2358, 2359

A recent example is a post by an anonymous user on a serious topic titled "The Supernatural Works of Muhammad," where they posted a caricature of Muhammad to mock him, followed immediately by a post from another user saying, "Wow, you're so wicked," accompanied by a laughing emoji.

posts 64 and 65

posts 142, 143, 163
And finally, look at the moderator's post at 147.

posts 2967, 2971, 2972, 2974, 2975, 2977

posts 369, 371, 373, 375, 380

These are just the most recent threads and posts; I have clicked the report button countless times to no avail. How long is this mockery of believers going to be permitted in the Religion subforum?
Where does the freedom of atheists end and the protection of a believer's dignity begin? Is it really acceptable to ridicule someone just because they believe in aliens, God, or anything else that hasn't been scientifically proven yet?

Do those who don't believe in God or religion have the right to spread blatant lies under the guise of free speech whenever they feel like it?

I sincerely hope this is reviewed seriously, even though I am just one ordinary user.

rustydrifter10 said:Look, the Religion subforum wasn't designed to be a safe space where you can't criticize religions or faith. If people want deep, faith-based discussions, we have the Theology and Religious Practice subforum for that.

Now, you should definitely report Trolling, but expressing an opinion that clashes with religious teachings, questions them, or even denies them? That isn't Trolling.

Honestly, Tyler Cruz32 is incredibly dedicated to the Religion subforum, and from what I've seen, there haven't been any major inconsistencies or signs of bias. I actually want to take this moment to thank her for all the hard work she puts in to keep the Religion subforum a civilized place.

I really don't see any truth to your accusation that some people are getting preferential treatment over others. Tyler Cruz32 communicated with you, sure, but at the end of the day, the decision rests with her. If she makes a final call, you can't just keep reopening the same argument in a new thread. If you're truly unhappy, you should take it up with the supermoderators or the admins.

Justin Harris12 said:It’s not a troll. If you actually look at the screenshot, the post wasn't flagged when I originally submitted it; it was done after I posted this. Do you want me to upload the image again? Also, before I even attached the picture here, I already reported the post using the flag icon, which means I did my part, added the evidence, and still nothing happened until after my reply.

All the other posts haven't been flagged, probably because I didn't attach a screenshot right away, but there are dozens of similar posts from tonight. Should I just dump all of them here so you can flag those too? Am I really expected to jump through all these hoops and report everything to the mods just so you'll finally take action?

do I really have to do this, reporting things to the PŽK just so you will flag them?

rowdytiger13 said:The pressure being put on the moderators over on the Religion subreddits lately has been intense, and honestly, it’s being directed at some really decent people who don't act entitled at all.
I actually stumbled onto the Religion community by accident, but I stayed because the vibe was great—until now.
I feel bad about starting that "serieses and non-Muslims" thread; I have zero intention of discussing anything related to Islam ever again, and I’d suggest everyone else does the same, especially since people are now threatening each other with police involvement (if someone had told me that was happening, I wouldn't have believed them).

Justin Harris12 said:You are one of the primary examples of what I am complaining about; you only need to look back at your post history to see it. You focus exclusively on Islamic topics while being incredibly sneaky about how you quote and twist people's posts. Sure, you can choose to avoid Islamic threads, but I doubt you'll actually stick to it. As for the moderators, they seem "good" to you only because they leave you alone; you write whatever you want, much like the user Nicholas Williams7, who was penalized tonight specifically because of me—otherwise, he wouldn't have been causing trouble. That’s my point. You, Anthony Perez9, Charles Wells71, Nicholas Williams7, Joe, and a whole bunch of other users think you can get away with anything because Tyler Cruz32 lets you. Personally, I have nothing against this moderator; I haven't met her and she might be a perfectly fine person in real life, but I am complaining about her handling of the Religion subforum, the overall state of that section, and what that subforum is turning into: a playground for anti-religion sentiment and an anti-religious dumping ground.

Posts claiming Muhammad was a pedophile or a murderer, saying Aisha was only six years old, or posting fake images of Muhammad that aren't even him—all of this is just blatant trolling, and it's being permitted simply because of the intolerance toward Muslims.

If the forum rules were actually respected—which is all I'm asking for—none of this would happen. Threads would be cleaner, higher quality, and someone might actually learn something about a religion. I have questions myself, but I don't intend to post them there because I know a handful of people will jump in to spread lies, falsehoods, and insults without facing any consequences.

Before this, I tried to resolve things through the proper channels by talking to the moderator and explaining what's bothering me, but she wouldn't listen. After just two posts, she banned me from further appeals. So, the moderator essentially publicly invites me to complain to the Administrator, but when I actually do it, it's treated like it came completely out of nowhere.

you all seem to realize you can get away with this because Tyler Cruz32 allows it,

prior to this, I attempted to resolve the matter through peaceful channels with the moderator to explain my grievances, but she refused to listen and subsequently barred me from further appeals after only two posts,

Morgan Carter said:One only needs to look at why users such as Povlović or StudentofLife were banned from the forum.................................

Tyler Cruz32 said:Tell me, do you honestly—truly honestly—believe someone is sitting on standby online so that the very second I file a report and the email arrives, they can flag it instantly?

And if it isn't flagged immediately, then within five minutes you'll be claiming anything goes because there wasn't an instant response.

Tell me, am I allowed to eat or sleep?
How exactly do you imagine this works in practice?
Am I supposed to be a robot that isn't even permitted to step away from their inbox for five minutes?

Moderators typically have a 24-hour window to review reports and react.
Instead, you expect immediate flagging or other moderator actions the very second it happens.

Look, if you all behaved more appropriately, and I didn't have to spend every single day cleaning up the messes you repeatedly make, then perhaps I could actually dedicate myself to monitoring my email 24/7.

do I really have to do this, reporting things to the PŽK just so you will flag them?

Do you know what my actual issue is?

If I were to write everything out publicly, rustydrifter10 would ban me for a month because I'm not supposed to share certain information externally. I don't care about being banned; I couldn't care less. The problem is that if I stop, there will be no one left to clean up the Religion subforum, and then we'll be left with nothing but trolls, vandals, and total anarchy, which I cannot allow.

The fact that my hands are tied simply gives you the opportunity to constantly dodge accountability. And now you're going to turn this on ME, accusing ME of not flagging things? Me?

🤣

I am no longer moderating any threads whatsoever regarding Islam.

I have made my decision, and it is final.

Since people aren't satisfied—and I simply cannot do any better than I already do, as I believe I am performing my duties correctly—someone else will have to handle the reports, the trolls, the vandals, and those massive off-topic posts that run 30, 40, or more lines long.

I won't lift a single finger for any of it anymore.

rustydrifter10, please state Joe's current point standing PUBLICLY.

Post it publicly, so we can finally put an end to these false insinuations.

you all seem to realize you can get away with this because Tyler Cruz32 allows it,

Incredible.

I am quite curious to see who you intend to falsely accuse next, now that I have decided to stop engaging with these topics entirely.

prior to this, I attempted to resolve the matter through peaceful channels with the moderator to explain my grievances, but she refused to listen and subsequently barred me from further appeals after only two posts,

Indeed, the book is perfectly clear.
I previously advised you to contact Strila directly; I am certainly not hiding anything.

If rustydrifter10 agrees, and promises to police the Religion subforum while I am banned, I will present the evidence.

rowdytiger13 said:The pressure being put on the moderators over on the Religion subreddits lately has been intense, and honestly, it’s being directed at some really decent people who don't act entitled at all.
I actually stumbled onto the Religion community by accident, but I stayed because the vibe was great—until now.
I feel bad about starting that "serieses and non-Muslims" thread; I have zero intention of discussing anything related to Islam ever again, and I’d suggest everyone else does the same, especially since people are now threatening each other with police involvement (if someone had told me that was happening, I wouldn't have believed them).

Bradley White73 said:Quote : Guns of Brixton

I don't really know, for instance, what ROIBOSS eats for breakfast, whether he prays, or even what kind of jokes he tells, but personally, I find him to be incredibly polite. He’s definitely one of those positive examples you encounter here.

I guess I wonder if people truly grasp the distinction between the concept of freedom of speech and the actual impact of what someone says out loud. It’s one thing to have an opinion, but it’s another thing entirely to express it. For instance, do you think it’s okay to joke around at someone else's expense, even if you know they're feeling uncomfortable in that social setting? Maybe there's a fine line there that gets blurred more often than we realize.
I wonder, do you think it would be appropriate for newspapers or TV news stations to start labeling Muhammad as a pedophile or a murderer, or even comparing him to Hitler and running caricatures of him? It would probably seem pretty ridiculous, wouldn't it? I guess it makes you wonder... if that's actually an option, then why on earth isn't anyone doing it? Maybe there's some reason I'm missing, but it seems like a missed opportunity, doesn't it?

I guess it’s because people are either weighed down by a sense of guilt—or perhaps they're just reacting to the passive-aggressiveness you're using here—or maybe they're simply terrified of the fallout. There's always that fear of the chaos, the disorder, and the actual bloodshed that tends to erupt even after provocations that are far less intense than what you've written about.

Justin Harris12 said:Why on earth would you want to moderate Islamic topics? 🤷
Are Muslims considered true believers and second-class citizens?
The more you write, the more it becomes obvious that everything I’ve been saying is actually coming true.
You’re acting like some kind of martyr here, playing the victim while you moderate this place as if you’re the sole authority over the entire forum. And what was that about Joe? What exactly are you getting at? Are you talking about what Joe wrote last night? 🤷
You’re going straight for the ad hominem attack against me, even though I haven't criticized you as a person—I only critiqued your moderation, because that is your role here. If your username was "Kitty Kitty," people would be complaining about the handle "Kitty Kitty" rather than targeting Tyler Cruz32 personally. You keep accusing me of using ad hominem tactics, but this isn't the first time you've resorted to lying; I’ve already proven that not a single sentence I wrote was a lie. By extension, that means you were just making up your own version of the truth, which is nothing more than blatant lying.

Look, when it comes to all that behind-the-scenes drama, honestly, neither I nor the rest of the folks here on the forum really care. You just have to learn how to deal with it—it’s as simple as that. It's like at work; a regular employee doesn't need to be privy to the CEO's private strategic plans for the corporation. That shouldn't be their concern. An employee's job is to focus on their own tasks, hit their targets, and get paid according to their job description. Period.
So you can just go ahead and grab yourself a ban without actually telling us what's going on over there. Just mentioning that "something" is happening is nothing more than a pathetic excuse, and honestly, I don't think this whole situation should have even leaked onto this thread in the first place.

The decision has been made, and frankly, I’ve got nothing left to say about it. My only regret is that such a call was ever made, because this tendency to blindly defend the moderators is going to be the death of this forum. You all are going to learn the hard way that being a moderator shouldn't mean getting automatic protection; being an admin means making fair decisions that serve the community. Right now, the reputation of this site is being dragged through the mud, and if things keep going this way, it's nothing but a downward spiral from here.