PDF Moderation for Soap Factory

Keith Diaz5 said:The subforum says messages, complaints, and comments so I figured I might be allowed to comment on this thread and the mods over at the soap factory without being punished.
I have absolutely no intention of accusing any of the moderators, nor am I filing a specific grievance; I simply desire a few remarks from those who moderate the soap factory.

I have been typing on forums for quite some time, yet this is my first time engaging regarding a soap factory, and I am nearly stunned by the state of the Force thread.
I even received a warning for spamming and chatting and whatever else 🤷 though it truly does not matter. I have never complained about penalties; after all, I am aware of the rules and I accept them, so the punishments are merely a part of this entire situation.

The sheer amount of biased opinions and impressions on the Force thread is terrifying. There is content that has absolutely nothing to do with actual events or the character in the series, which gets "wrapped up" into a post just so it doesn't look like blatant spam or trolling, and those posts remain on the thread. Not to mention the constant chatting between a few forum members, the worshipful clapping on the same posts, and those one-sentence posts claiming how Force is stupid again.

The thread is simply unreadable to anyone who does not despise the character Force. For someone who happens upon it, the thread doesn't even look like a discussion about the series; it looks like a thread dedicated solely to the character Force, with occasional comments about others added just to glaze over the truth.

It is highly unusual that such things are permitted on an American forum like this one, an American forum where I always believed the rules were respected and that people strictly adhered to staying on topic and avoiding spam.
I have stated several times now that it is a shame, as I get the impression that the mods don't actually watch the show; if they did, the thread would not look the way it does.

I am not even sure what I hope to achieve with this thread. I have no intention of tarnishing anyone's reputation, nor do I believe anything significant will change, and I am certainly not here on behalf of the girls who were banned or left the thread of their own accord... I simply wanted to voice my commentary on everything because I find it unacceptable that all of this is allowed to happen.

Kind regards,
Keith Diaz5 🙂

ambermason16 said:Look, I genuinely, truly have no clue. I wasn't even being sarcastic. I’m reading this for the third time and I still don't get it.

Oh, and while we're at it, please list the usernames of the women who bailed on this thread. Let's actually hear from them for once. Based on all the complaints about the soap factory, there should be about twelve people missing. But my math isn't adding up. Ladies, women, mothers, or whoever else walked away from this discussion because—for reasons I can't even begin to fathom—you couldn't make sense of the mess above, please, speak up. Thank you.

Keith Diaz5 said:As I stated before... I wasn't expecting to achieve anything, and I was proven right. Everything was already laid bare in the original thread, and this comment only confirms it. Should I list the names of those who posted there but have since vanished, or should I write to the moderators about the state of this entire topic?
Can you not see the issue? Or perhaps you don't see why my comment is even here? Fine. If there is no problem, then go ahead and delete this one too, or punish me for "disturbing the peace" (how dare I?). It makes no difference to me.

But... one is permitted to comment in this subforum, is one not?

Don't you see the problem, or why my comment is here now?

Fine, no problem. Just delete this one too, or punish me for "harassment" (if I even dare?). Whatever.

But like I said... commenting is allowed in this subforum, right?

ambermason16 said:Exactly! If you’re going to make such an adamant claim, back it up with some actual facts. In plain English: you don't have an answer. This whole long-winded lecture is just a byproduct of you being offended because everyone else on this thread isn't busy building an altar to Force.

Don't you see the problem, or why my comment is here now?

Even you don't know why you made that comment, question, or criticism—whatever it is. How am I supposed to know?

Fine, no problem. Just delete this one too, or punish me for "harassment" (if I even dare?). Whatever.

Pure drama. It's the last refuge of a critic who has zero arguments left.

But like I said... commenting is allowed in this subforum, right?

Sure, you can always comment. But if you actually have a question and want an answer, it would make life easier for everyone if you could just state it coherently.

Right now, we're stuck with a comment where you don't even know why you wrote it, a thread that isn't being moderated, yet somehow you've still racked up several warnings. You're like a phantom refugee drifting from thread to subforum, criticizing other people's views which—disturbingly, as you put it—have nothing to do with real events. I honestly have no idea how to help you.

ambermason16 said:Exactly! If you’re going to make such an adamant claim, back it up with some actual facts. In plain English: you don't have an answer. This whole long-winded lecture is just a byproduct of you being offended because everyone else on this thread isn't busy building an altar to Force.

Don't you see the problem, or why my comment is here now?

Even you don't know why you made that comment, question, or criticism—whatever it is. How am I supposed to know?

Fine, no problem. Just delete this one too, or punish me for "harassment" (if I even dare?). Whatever.

Pure drama. It's the last refuge of a critic who has zero arguments left.

But like I said... commenting is allowed in this subforum, right?

Sure, you can always comment. But if you actually have a question and want an answer, it would make life easier for everyone if you could just state it coherently.

Right now, we're stuck with a comment where you don't even know why you wrote it, a thread that isn't being moderated, yet somehow you've still racked up several warnings. You're like a phantom refugee drifting from thread to subforum, criticizing other people's views which—disturbingly, as you put it—have nothing to do with real events. I honestly have no idea how to help you.

ambermason16 said:Exactly! If you’re going to make such an adamant claim, back it up with some actual facts. In plain English: you don't have an answer. This whole long-winded lecture is just a byproduct of you being offended because everyone else on this thread isn't busy building an altar to Force.

Don't you see the problem, or why my comment is here now?

Even you don't know why you made that comment, question, or criticism—whatever it is. How am I supposed to know?

Fine, no problem. Just delete this one too, or punish me for "harassment" (if I even dare?). Whatever.

Pure drama. It's the last refuge of a critic who has zero arguments left.

But like I said... commenting is allowed in this subforum, right?

Sure, you can always comment. But if you actually have a question and want an answer, it would make life easier for everyone if you could just state it coherently.

Right now, we're stuck with a comment where you don't even know why you wrote it, a thread that isn't being moderated, yet somehow you've still racked up several warnings. You're like a phantom refugee drifting from thread to subforum, criticizing other people's views which—disturbingly, as you put it—have nothing to do with real events. I honestly have no idea how to help you.

ambermason16 said:Exactly! If you’re going to make such an adamant claim, back it up with some actual facts. In plain English: you don't have an answer. This whole long-winded lecture is just a byproduct of you being offended because everyone else on this thread isn't busy building an altar to Force.

Don't you see the problem, or why my comment is here now?

Even you don't know why you made that comment, question, or criticism—whatever it is. How am I supposed to know?

Fine, no problem. Just delete this one too, or punish me for "harassment" (if I even dare?). Whatever.

Pure drama. It's the last refuge of a critic who has zero arguments left.

But like I said... commenting is allowed in this subforum, right?

Sure, you can always comment. But if you actually have a question and want an answer, it would make life easier for everyone if you could just state it coherently.

Right now, we're stuck with a comment where you don't even know why you wrote it, a thread that isn't being moderated, yet somehow you've still racked up several warnings. You're like a phantom refugee drifting from thread to subforum, criticizing other people's views which—disturbingly, as you put it—have nothing to do with real events. I honestly have no idea how to help you.

ambermason16 said:Exactly! If you’re going to make such an adamant claim, back it up with some actual facts. In plain English: you don't have an answer. This whole long-winded lecture is just a byproduct of you being offended because everyone else on this thread isn't busy building an altar to Force.

Don't you see the problem, or why my comment is here now?

Even you don't know why you made that comment, question, or criticism—whatever it is. How am I supposed to know?

Fine, no problem. Just delete this one too, or punish me for "harassment" (if I even dare?). Whatever.

Pure drama. It's the last refuge of a critic who has zero arguments left.

But like I said... commenting is allowed in this subforum, right?

Sure, you can always comment. But if you actually have a question and want an answer, it would make life easier for everyone if you could just state it coherently.

Right now, we're stuck with a comment where you don't even know why you wrote it, a thread that isn't being moderated, yet somehow you've still racked up several warnings. You're like a phantom refugee drifting from thread to subforum, criticizing other people's views which—disturbingly, as you put it—have nothing to do with real events. I honestly have no idea how to help you.

Blood Dim... said:Look, this whole post of yours—it's just pure spite, and honestly, it doesn't fly anywhere... You can't just claim you're going to break the rules just because someone else decided to ignore them.

ambermason16 said:Just another page full of empty buzzwords... don't even need to read it to know exactly what you wrote...

The mods are biased...
So many people are jumping off this thread just because of that—though "that" is never actually defined...
You probably feel the same way—so what's stopping you from showing up in the thread tonight...

Everything's been answered so many times already—honestly don't even see the point in saying another word...

ambermason16 said:🤦

I’m calling on all of you to walk away from these threads immediately. Between the pathetic moderation and the even worse way they treat Force, there's no point staying. To make sure you aren't targeted by some moderator conspiracy—and considering everything you've already poured into these posts that only twenty people actually read before missing the entire point anyway—it’s best if you just head over to the soap factory instead. It’s going to be rough; the void you two leave behind will be massive, but I guess we'll manage somehow. Go ahead! Show us! Just walk out and leave us high and dry.

You have absolutely no idea how exhausted I am from having my name dragged through the mud over this absolute nonsense. We're talking about a phantom group that the moderators let run wild, invisible forum users mass-exiting threads, and endless reports about "harassment" toward fictional characters. It's ridiculous.

And just a final note: Force doesn't even exist; the guy is just a character in the soap factory; I'm done with this discussion... or whatever this mess is supposed to be. You two go right ahead and carry on with each other.

Yes! When you make such adamant assertions, back them up with facts. In other words, you have no answer, and this entire litany is merely the result of your indignation because everyone in the thread isn't building an altar to Force.

nor am I here in service to girls who have gone bananas or voluntarily abandoned the thread.

Gerald Bailey88 said:tsk, tsk,...not reading again. I left seven days ago, dear ambermason16. All because of you and your arrogance. It’s honestly pathetic how you claim the twenty of you don't understand what's being said here. Anyone (who actually watches Force) who heads over to the main thread knows—or will know—exactly what we're talking about.
And everyone following the spoilers knows too.
It’s a joke. Only the moderators at the soap factory are clueless.
We know you don't get it. We've felt it, seen it, realized it, understood it... we just know.
As for that little group, they aren't some phantom entity (Xavi8 signed off🙂:
MAO: @ tragoreski, @ivancica, @AKIF ve @Xavka. Personal assistants: @aginica,@ moribonda ve @teuta. PR: inarak84!
Basically, an official office—they split up the shifts and duties, and they coordinate through DMs and directly on the thread.
The fact that they called themselves the lawyers for the actor and the character clearly shows they're all ganging up on the actress and the role she plays. If I hadn't read it myself, I wouldn't believe it. That's why there isn't even a single fan of Cansu on this thread.

You really posted this note in the wrong place. It belongs on the Force thread—this little group treats the main character (who is a woman with a heart of gold) worse than the absolute villain of the series.
You're right about one thing, Force is a character from a soap opera. Maybe this forum is a soap opera, but trust me, we aren't characters in one.
Take care, ambermason16. 😍

northernpilot2 said:So, let me get this straight... you guys are actually complaining because the mods aren't handing out bans to everyone who doesn't agree that Force—this fictional soap factory character—is just a saintly, pure-hearted woman?

Honestly, those kinds of complaints are just kind of ridiculous, I guess.
You've gotta realize you aren't hanging out in a dedicated fan club for Force; this is a general discussion about the series as a whole. Just because someone doesn't share the opinion that she’s some perfect angel doesn't mean they're breaking any rules.
The moderators are here to enforce the actual rules, and none of this stuff qualifies as a violation.

@Keith Diaz5, I read through your post a few times, and I think you're complaining about exactly that—why the mods allow people to write things against Force or why they permit this kind of commentary.

But look, that's not really the mods' job. They aren't here to act as bodyguards for a soap factory character or to shut down anyone who doesn't view her as a total sweetheart.

I don't even know what else to say at this point, because, well, you said yourself it isn't a formal complaint, so maybe it's just an observation or whatever, and without specific links to problematic posts and all that, nothing is going to happen. Especially not without a concrete accusation of a rule break; a vague gripe like "Force is such a good person, why are you letting them trash her?" just isn't going to fly because it doesn't make any sense.

@Gerald Hill2

The mods can see exactly who is reporting which post. But just because someone flags something doesn't mean it's getting deleted or that the user is getting banned, especially if the mod decides the report is totally baseless.
None of you other forum users can really mess with anything through the reporting system, because ultimately, it's up to the moderator to decide if a report warrants a reaction.

A ton of reports go ignored because they're unfounded, but hey, everyone has the right to flag a post they think breaks the rules. Just remember that flagging something doesn't guarantee action will be taken against the author, so there's really nothing to fear regarding some group of users trying to gang up on someone.

Gerald Bailey88 said:If this wasn't so pathetic, I’d actually be laughing my head off.
Out of everything we've discussed, you're the only one who managed to focus on the most insignificant detail...
Not a single word about the blatant misogyny—how you guys let people post justifications for force rape, acting like "He" was just taking what was rightfully his.
The authors of those disgusting comments are still here, yet the woman who stood up against them got kicked out of the thread. We're complaining because you won't sanction such primitive behavior, while you target and shut down anyone who refuses to tolerate it. Honestly, it says everything about you.

And nothing about how you're accusing me of threatening to break rules—even though I never said anything like that... nothing at all.
By your logic, it's fine when users gang up to provoke anyone with a different opinion, but it's a crime if they make up stuff that didn't even happen in the show.
You want proof? It's all right here in the thread—just try reading it sometime. But apparently, that's too much to ask since ambermason16 openly admits she doesn't read, yet she's allowed to snap back at me like this.
Do you guys honestly think you're infallible?
Just look at the spoilers thread for comparison. The difference is night and day. The atmosphere there is great, the comments are actually constructive. Not a single one of those women is posting on the main thread anymore—and it's easy enough to see they were active before.

It would be about time the moderators started treating members with basic decency, the same way you expect from us—because the way ambermason16 aggressively talks back isn't exactly a role model.
I get it, your job isn't easy. But since you're always telling us to leave the thread, maybe you should take your own advice. If it's too much work, just step down from moderating...
I knew from the start you'd ignore whatever you don't want to see, and that talking to you is a lost cause. Because you simply don't want to listen.
I'm done adding anything else. Go ahead and attack me too, just like you have been—which is exactly why I'm walking away from this thread. Since ambermason16 was so "helpful" in suggesting it.

You aren't even saying anything about how you're accusing me of threatening to act just like the people breaking the rules, even though I never actually said that. Not even close.
In your view, it's not against the rules when users team up publicly just to provoke people who disagree with them. And there's zero mention of how they're just making up events that never even happened in the show.

If you want proof, just look at the spoilers thread. The difference is night and day. The atmosphere in the spoilers section is great, and the comments are actually constructive. Not a single one of them is posting on the main thread anymore. And it's easy enough to see they used to post there.

Do you guys honestly think you're infallible or something? I mean, seriously, does anyone actually believe they've got it all figured out without ever being wrong once? It’s kind of wild if you think about it, I guess.

Gerald Hill2 said:I don't expect the mods to be psychic Zorka types. If they aren't watching the show, and they get multiple reports about spoilers, they might get the wrong idea.
That happened to me once, and I had to prove my innocence after being banned. Bhea reacted pretty quickly, though. I'm not complaining about her at all.
But, I wonder, if the mods can see—and they can, because I used to moderate zud—if the same people are constantly making false reports, shouldn't that also be a punishable offense?

If someone wants to, they can always find some weird way to twist a post and misuse the system, flagging things as inappropriate (like spoilers, insults, off-topic chatter, or trolling).
That kind of behavior makes people who want to contribute different views from the majority stay away from the thread entirely.
It’s perfectly normal to write something that doesn't align with what others saw, to deny what was shown, or to be critical toward certain groups (like victims of force rape or violence)—basically, to have a different take on what happened. I might have my own opinion on whether a scene was good or bad, but I can't claim to have a different version of what was actually broadcast on the television.
I mean, if someone falls, I might find it funny, or sad, or maybe I won't care at all... all of that is just an opinion or an impression. But saying someone didn't fall when they clearly did isn't an opinion; that’s just missing what happened or straight-up trolling.

I mean, if someone actually goes looking for it, they can always find some weirdly worded sentence or a tiny little slip-up to twist out of context, you know? It’s like, if you really want to be a jerk, you can just take whatever someone wrote—even if it's totally fine—and claim it's somehow inappropriate, whether you're calling it harassment, an insult, spamming, or just straight-up trolling. I guess people just love finding ways to report others for stuff that isn't even happening.
I mean, honestly, this kind of behavior is exactly why people who actually want to have a real discussion—you know, the ones who don't just parrot whatever the majority is shouting about—end up avoiding these threads altogether. It’s like, if you don't want to get dogpiled just for having a different take, you might as well just stay quiet, I guess. Maybe that's just how it goes now, but it definitely kills any chance of a decent conversation.
Look, I feel like it’s totally fine to have an opinion on whether what you saw was good or bad, but there's a massive difference between having a take and just straight-up lying about reality. It’s one thing to debate the quality of a show, but it’s another thing entirely to deny what actually happened on screen, or worse, to be straight-up abusive toward people—like victims of violence or force rape—just to make a point. You can argue about the ethics or the direction of a scene all you want, but you don't get to just invent a whole different version of what was broadcast on FOX. You can't just twist the facts to fit your narrative when the footage is right there in front of everyone.
I mean, look, if someone takes a nasty spill, I might find it funny, or maybe it’ll make me feel bad, or honestly, I might just not care at all... but all of that falls under the umbrella of having a personal opinion or just reacting to what you saw. But saying that someone didn't actually fall? That isn't an opinion anymore. That’s either you straight-up missed what happened or you’re just being a total troll to provoke people.

Keith Diaz5 said:The subforum says messages, complaints, and comments so I figured I might be allowed to comment on this thread and the mods over at the soap factory without being punished.
I have absolutely no intention of accusing any of the moderators, nor am I filing a specific grievance; I simply desire a few remarks from those who moderate the soap factory.

I have been typing on forums for quite some time, yet this is my first time engaging regarding a soap factory, and I am nearly stunned by the state of the Force thread.
I even received a warning for spamming and chatting and whatever else 🤷 though it truly does not matter. I have never complained about penalties; after all, I am aware of the rules and I accept them, so the punishments are merely a part of this entire situation.

The sheer amount of biased opinions and impressions on the Force thread is terrifying. There is content that has absolutely nothing to do with actual events or the character in the series, which gets "wrapped up" into a post just so it doesn't look like blatant spam or trolling, and those posts remain on the thread. Not to mention the constant chatting between a few forum members, the worshipful clapping on the same posts, and those one-sentence posts claiming how Force is stupid again.

The thread is simply unreadable to anyone who does not despise the character Force. For someone who happens upon it, the thread doesn't even look like a discussion about the series; it looks like a thread dedicated solely to the character Force, with occasional comments about others added just to glaze over the truth.

It is highly unusual that such things are permitted on an American forum like this one, an American forum where I always believed the rules were respected and that people strictly adhered to staying on topic and avoiding spam.
I have stated several times now that it is a shame, as I get the impression that the mods don't actually watch the show; if they did, the thread would not look the way it does.

I am not even sure what I hope to achieve with this thread. I have no intention of tarnishing anyone's reputation, nor do I believe anything significant will change, and I am certainly not here on behalf of the girls who were banned or left the thread of their own accord... I simply wanted to voice my commentary on everything because I find it unacceptable that all of this is allowed to happen.

Kind regards,
Keith Diaz5 🙂

Gerald Bailey88 said:tsk, tsk,...not reading again. I left seven days ago, dear ambermason16. All because of you and your arrogance. It’s honestly pathetic how you claim the twenty of you don't understand what's being said here. Anyone (who actually watches Force) who heads over to the main thread knows—or will know—exactly what we're talking about.
And everyone following the spoilers knows too.
It’s a joke. Only the moderators at the soap factory are clueless.
We know you don't get it. We've felt it, seen it, realized it, understood it... we just know.
As for that little group, they aren't some phantom entity (Xavi8 signed off🙂:
MAO: @ tragoreski, @ivancica, @AKIF ve @Xavka. Personal assistants: @aginica,@ moribonda ve @teuta. PR: inarak84!
Basically, an official office—they split up the shifts and duties, and they coordinate through DMs and directly on the thread.
The fact that they called themselves the lawyers for the actor and the character clearly shows they're all ganging up on the actress and the role she plays. If I hadn't read it myself, I wouldn't believe it. That's why there isn't even a single fan of Cansu on this thread.

You really posted this note in the wrong place. It belongs on the Force thread—this little group treats the main character (who is a woman with a heart of gold) worse than the absolute villain of the series.
You're right about one thing, Force is a character from a soap opera. Maybe this forum is a soap opera, but trust me, we aren't characters in one.
Take care, ambermason16. 😍

Daniel Ward87 said:See, that’s the issue we face as admins. I’ve gone back through this thread several times and I’m still struggling to pin down the actual problem. From what I can gather, here’s the gist:
- there are cliques forming over at the soap factory
- moderators are protecting these supposed cliques by only deleting certain posts
- people are complaining about spoilers ruining the series
- there’s talk about force rape (hopefully just in the show) and how posts endorsing it haven't been removed
- some users stopped posting in one thread only to pop up in another...

Here’s my take: whether those cliques actually exist at the soap factory is really just a matter of perspective. To the moderators there, every single user is treated exactly the same. They don't recognize any cliques, nor do they side with any group—real or imagined.

As for everything else, I’m going to need some concrete examples, because right now, I have no idea what we're actually being asked to do.

Comments like "she had to give in because he has the right to rape her since they're married" (to paraphrase) are the absolute peak of disgusting behavior—it's an assault on a woman's dignity and honor.
As a woman, I found those statements deeply insulting—and I'm sure many other women here felt the same way.