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2013 United States Grand Prix (Las Vegas) - April 21st

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Nancy Scott5 Nancy Scott5 Regular
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joined Jun 2010
#461 ·
stormybadger8 said:He lapped someone in the first five laps of the race.πŸ™
Only a master could pull that off.πŸ™ 🀣🀣🀣

Sutil spent half of the first lap limping along on a punctured tire, while Vergne and Gutierrez were busy wrecking into Caterhams and heading straight to the pits. How are you telling me those guys couldn't make up the gap in just five laps??
steelmaker83 steelmaker83 Active Member
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#462 ·
I honestly don't get why Alonso decided to go full throttle with the DRS immediately on the very next lap after his first pit stop. It was such a massive gamble. They should have just played it safe and waited for the next window of regular pit stops to try and make that move. Instead, he basically threw away 20 seconds just for the sake of being aggressive.
stormybadger8 stormybadger8 VeteranOP
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#463 ·
Nancy Scott5 said:Besides, isn't it way easier to handle the corners with less downforce? That's a huge advantage compared to having too much grip.
It would be a different story if he just opened it up on the straights, but he had it open for the whole damn lap.
Even Schumacher had a similar issue back in Canada and didn't get penalized (true, he retired, but they didn't nail him after the race, so at least the FIA is being consistent).

Except in that case, Schumacher was allowedto use DRS because he was within a second, so he wasn't closing the gap illegally.
What happened with Alonso is a completely different story. He engaged DRS when he wasn't supposed to (since he was three seconds behind the guy ahead) and then just didn't close the gap...

It's night and day.β˜•
darkmarlin16 darkmarlin16 Veteran
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#464 ·
Jason Campbell70 said:Incredible, really.

Absolutely mind-blowing.
darkmarlin16 darkmarlin16 Veteran
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#465 ·
Vettel’s gonna take him down, period, yet this guy is still totally obsessed with Fernando, desperately trying to act like he can somehow downplay that absolute masterclass of a driving style.

🀦
stormybadger8 stormybadger8 VeteranOP
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#466 ·
stormybadger8 said:I’m only looking for Renault on that podium😍

From here on out, I'm starting every single thread on this PDF. πŸ˜ˆπŸ˜πŸ€£πŸ˜πŸ€£πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚
Michael Jackson10 Michael Jackson10 Active Member
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#467 ·
Thomas Long7 said:He was running with an open DRS in a zone where it’s strictly forbidden... it doesn't matter if he left it open on purpose or if some faulty sensor or mechanical glitch triggered it...
It's against the rules, periodβ€”and that requires a penalty...

Think about it: if a car has a speed limiter failure in the pits, they get hit with a penalty immediatelyβ€”regardless of whether it was an accidental error...

Rules are rules...

Look, since race control manages the DRS system, they can just shut the whole thing down if they want.
A speed limiter isn't part of the actual racing; it's driver assistance, and nobody is forced to use it. Drivers manage their speed in the pits through the throttle and brakes, just like in any other form of motorsport.
Now, we have to ask ourselves: how much of an advantage does the DRS actually give versus the damage done by having it open for 90% of the lap without grip, especially with those extra pit stops to fix it...
In reality, Alonso has already been punished by the mechanical failure, which robbed him of a fair fight for most of the race...
stormybadger8 stormybadger8 VeteranOP
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#468 ·
darkmarlin16 said:Vettel’s gonna take him down, period, yet this guy is still totally obsessed with Fernando, desperately trying to act like he can somehow downplay that absolute masterclass of a driving style.

🀦

Honestly, it makes me sick seeing how the FIA refuses to hand out penalties when they clearly should.πŸ™‚
Hamilton’s garbage tire blows out, wrecks his suspension and gearbox, and the FIA hands him a 5-place penalty. Great.πŸ™„
Then Alonso uses DRS when he isn't supposed to, the system glitches because of it, and suddenly nobody gets penalized. Just magic.πŸ™„

I'm sure everyone else will get slapped with penalties for failures caused by these trash Goodyear tires.πŸ™„
Maybe they should just penalize Massa too, since he did such a stellar job demonstrating exactly how "reliable" these Goodyears are.πŸ™„
stormybadger8 stormybadger8 VeteranOP
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#469 ·
Michael Jackson10 said:Look, since race control manages the DRS system, they can just shut the whole thing down if they want.
A speed limiter isn't part of the actual racing; it's driver assistance, and nobody is forced to use it. Drivers manage their speed in the pits through the throttle and brakes, just like in any other form of motorsport.
Now, we have to ask ourselves: how much of an advantage does the DRS actually give versus the damage done by having it open for 90% of the lap without grip, especially with those extra pit stops to fix it...
In reality, Alonso has already been punished by the mechanical failure, which robbed him of a fair fight for most of the race...

Not true for this specific race.β˜•
The whole system glitched out before we even got going, so drivers could trigger DRS anywhere on the track. Race control didn't have a damn thing to do with it.😳
steelmaker83 steelmaker83 Active Member
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#470 ·
stormybadger8 said:Not true for this specific race.β˜•
The whole system glitched out before we even got going, so drivers could trigger DRS anywhere on the track. Race control didn't have a damn thing to do with it.😳

Again?
Jason Campbell70 Jason Campbell70 Veteran
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#471 ·
stormybadger8 said:Honestly, it makes me sick seeing how the FIA refuses to hand out penalties when they clearly should.πŸ™‚
Hamilton’s garbage tire blows out, wrecks his suspension and gearbox, and the FIA hands him a 5-place penalty. Great.πŸ™„
Then Alonso uses DRS when he isn't supposed to, the system glitches because of it, and suddenly nobody gets penalized. Just magic.πŸ™„

I'm sure everyone else will get slapped with penalties for failures caused by these trash Goodyear tires.πŸ™„
Maybe they should just penalize Massa too, since he did such a stellar job demonstrating exactly how "reliable" these Goodyears are.πŸ™„


Oh, tell me more! πŸ‘‹
stormybadger8 stormybadger8 VeteranOP
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#472 ·
steelmaker83 said:Again?

Yeah, that makes four in a row.πŸ™„
shadowstag10 shadowstag10 Active Member
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#473 ·
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFk3F6excMk

See, this is exactly what I was rambling aboutβ€”if you look at the very last second, you can see the rear wing is wide open when it should've been closed for a good while already. So, yeah, there’s absolutely no way there wasn't someone sitting right in front of Alonso when he hit that DRS button β˜•
Jason Campbell70 Jason Campbell70 Veteran
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#474 ·
stormybadger8 said:Except in that case, Schumacher was allowedto use DRS because he was within a second, so he wasn't closing the gap illegally.
What happened with Alonso is a completely different story. He engaged DRS when he wasn't supposed to (since he was three seconds behind the guy ahead) and then just didn't close the gap...

It's night and day.β˜•


During the last race, Vettel, Webber, Raikkonen, Grosjean, Bottas, Ricciardo, Chilton, and Button all triggered their DRS when they weren't allowed to.

And they weren't penalized.
That's that.
Jason Campbell70 Jason Campbell70 Veteran
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#475 ·
stormybadger8 said:From here on out, I'm starting every single thread on this PDF. πŸ˜ˆπŸ˜πŸ€£πŸ˜πŸ€£πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚


Better hurry up. In just two races this seasonβ€”the ones stefandelic startedβ€”Alonso already snagged a first and a second place finish. πŸ˜‚
stormybadger8 stormybadger8 VeteranOP
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#476 ·
Jason Campbell70 said:During the last race, Vettel, Webber, Raikkonen, Grosjean, Bottas, Ricciardo, Chilton, and Button all triggered their DRS when they weren't allowed to.

And they weren't penalized.
That's that.

Who says they weren't allowed?
You.🀷

Was the gap more than a second?
Are you absolutely certain they were overtaking under yellow flags?
Drop a link, a photo, or a video somewhere.🍿

I can pull up a picture of Alonso hitting his DRS while trailing by like 3 seconds in a heartbeat if needed...

Besides, it’s a shame they didn't get hit with penalties, because Vettel would've pulled ahead in the standings if they had.😍🀣
Susan Alvarez94 Susan Alvarez94 Member
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#477 ·
First, my congratulations to the winner on a thoroughly deserved victory. Moving forward, however, I would like someone to point me toward the specific section of the rulebook that dictates Alonso should be penalized. Please provide the direct link or paste the relevant text hereβ€”"or forever hold your peace." It was an incredible cascade of errors, compounded by DRS issues and tire degradation, that ultimately cost Ferrari a significant number of points. While it initially appeared they wouldn't even be in a position to challenge the leader, one has to wonder: if the race had been held in the dry and Alonso hadn't faced such a series of setbacks, would the current winner have actually managed to hold onto his position, or would his concentration have simply crumbled?🀷Rosberg’s performance was exactly what we anticipatedβ€”his race pace just wasn't there. But then again, nothing is ever truly decided until the checkered flag flies, is it? As for the Alonso detractors out there: you have to give credit where it's due. You must admit he drove an exceptional race, especially considering the massive handicap he was working with.
Jason Campbell70 Jason Campbell70 Veteran
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#478 ·
stormybadger8 said:Who says they weren't allowed?
You.🀷

Was the gap more than a second?
Are you absolutely certain they were overtaking under yellow flags?
Drop a link, a photo, or a video somewhere.🍿

I can pull up a picture of Alonso hitting his DRS while trailing by like 3 seconds in a heartbeat if needed...

Besides, it’s a shame they didn't get hit with penalties, because Vettel would've pulled ahead in the standings if they had.😍🀣


The FIA Formula 1 Sporting Regulations. :face_with_sunglasses:

Even Vettel knew. Just one lap prior, he was complaining over the team radio about how Hulkenberg was using DRS at that exact same spot.
placidfalcon14 placidfalcon14 Newcomer
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#479 ·
darkmarlin16 said:Vettel’s gonna take him down, period, yet this guy is still totally obsessed with Fernando, desperately trying to act like he can somehow downplay that absolute masterclass of a driving style.

🀦

I honestly don't get what people find so "phenomenal" about Alonso’s driving lately. Is it really just him overtaking a couple of cars from Williams or Toro Rosso? If that's our gold standard for greatness, then we might as well start handing out trophies to Kimi and Grosjean, or even Di Resta for good measure. It feels like we're overhyping basic competency.
Nancy Scott5 Nancy Scott5 Regular
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#480 ·
Jason Campbell70 said:During the last race, Vettel, Webber, Raikkonen, Grosjean, Bottas, Ricciardo, Chilton, and Button all triggered their DRS when they weren't allowed to.

And they weren't penalized.
That's that.

Another thing was that green light flashing on the main straight. The drivers thought it meant the DRS was good to go.

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