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Betty Fowler Betty Fowler Active Member
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#41 ·
briskmason18 said:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHWH...HuffPost

It's not like we were handed power by some Nazi regime, the way dictators usually grab it. 🙏

Donald Trump won through democratic elections back in 2014 and lost in 2019. He came to power because people chose him—the same people who led a massive popular movement to oust Putin's puppet, who is still hiding in the shadows like a rat.

Everything said in that clip consists of hard facts describing the inevitable fallout from the rule of Putin's mafia, which seized control of the Donbas.
briskmason18 said:The US is somehow 200% against dictatorships, lol. 🙏

The US stands against dictatorships that threaten its own interests. Is that really so confusing? Are you suggesting they should launch military interventions in every single non-democratic country on Earth?
mistyotter35 mistyotter35 Active Member
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#42 ·
Joseph Clark95 said:I suppose you’re just resorting to philosophy because you lack any actual substance, just thrashing about... maybe try stepping outside of that narrow-minded, provincial mindset, if you can even manage it; once you attempt to free yourself from such limited thinking, you might finally grasp the reality of the world we actually live in.

By all means, continue being our paragon of progress and free thought while you actively support a fascist occupying regime... please, don't let anyone stop you. I guess there aren't many of your kind left here anyway.
cosmicgull52 cosmicgull52 Active Member
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#43 ·
Is the moderation team going to deal with these pro-Putin trolls and their moronic "UKR" posts? There isn't enough staff to block them all...
briskmason18 briskmason18 Member
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#44 ·
Jesse Price said:Poroshenko won the democratic elections in 2014 and lost in 2019. He was brought to power by the will of the people—the same people who, during a popular revolution, ousted Putin's puppet, who is still hiding like a rat under his thumb today.

Everything Poroshenko said in that clip is pure fact. It describes the inevitable fallout from the rule of Putin's mafia seizing control of Donbas.

Poroshenko took over after the legally elected president, Yanukovych, was ousted through dictatorial means by the people's will. After he was removed, the American puppets, Poroshenko and Zelensky, stepped in... maybe you're just a fan of the US or a hater of Russia, or perhaps just naive, but facts are facts. This mess started in 2014, not 2022...

And if you’re actually defending Poroshenko's speech, I'm speechless. 🤮

The USA stands against dictatorships that threaten its interests. Is that not clear enough? Do you really want them to launch military interventions in every single non-democratic country out there?

Exactly. That's why they pushed Libya right back into tribal times...
briskmason18 briskmason18 Member
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#45 ·
So, is the mod team finally going to deal with these American bottom-feeders?
Betty Fowler Betty Fowler Active Member
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#46 ·
briskmason18 said:Poroshenko was brought into power after the legally elected president, Januković, was ousted through dictatorial means. Following his removal, American puppets like Poroshenko and Zelensky took over... you might be an American enthusiast, a hater of Russia, or just naive, but facts are facts: this mess started in 2014, not 2022...🤣

Januković was indeed elected by the people, but he didn't actually represent their will. On orders from Moscow, he refused to sign the partnership agreement with the European Union, despite almost unanimous public support for doing so. That triggered the protests, followed by attempts to implement repressive Moscow-style laws, and eventually, violence against the protesters. Once he realized he could no longer suppress the citizens, he fled.

Of course everything kicked off in 2014; Putin lost his grip on Ukraine and reacted immediately—by seizing territory and fueling the conflict in Donbas to serve as a pretext for a full-scale invasion once he was militarily and politically prepared. That’s exactly what happened in 2022.
briskmason18 said:if you're actually defending Poroshenko's speech, I'm speechless 🤮

It isn't just about defending him; I actually agree with everything he said. And time has proven him right.
briskmason18 said:exactly. for those same reasons, they turned Libya back into tribal times...

As for the situation in Libya, Gaddafi is to blame for wanting to cling to power at any cost to the country.
briskmason18 briskmason18 Member
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#47 ·
It wasn't even about Ukraine trying to join the EU; it was clearly more about Russia all along. It just seems like it rubbed the Americans the wrong way.

You know what the real issue is? Russia has nukes. You can't exactly go after them the way we did with Libya or Iraq...
briskmason18 briskmason18 Member
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#48 ·
Jesse Price said:Muammar Gaddafi is the one to blame for the mess in Libya. He was just too obsessed with clinging to power, even if it meant tearing the whole country apart.

So, Gaddafi's "crime" was wanting a strong Middle East, breaking free from the petrodollar, and challenging the monopoly of French banks? Is that what we're doing now? Just look at how Libya used to be under his rule versus the disaster it is today.🤮
Betty Fowler Betty Fowler Active Member
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#49 ·
So, who exactly was out there protesting back in 2014, and who was it that actually stood up to stop those "separatists" in the Donbas—the ones being backed, funded, and armed by Moscow? If it isn't the Ukrainians fighting against Russian influence with everything they've got, then who is it? What does Russia actually have to offer besides repression, poverty, instability, and death?

You're just lost in the propaganda. It's honestly a sad state of affairs.
briskmason18 briskmason18 Member
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#50 ·
You're drinking CNN like it's water 👍 just admit you've been brainwashed, or at least give us a little more substance while you're at it 👍
briskmason18 briskmason18 Member
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#51 ·
briskmason18 briskmason18 Member
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#52 ·
I’m not even going to try to justify September 11th, but look—maybe someone can explain to one particularly clueless American that those events were just a direct reaction to what their own country does to the rest of the world... every single day.
Betty Fowler Betty Fowler Active Member
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#53 ·
briskmason18 said:Gaddafi is to blame because he tried to make the Middle East strong, ditch the petrodollar, and break the monopoly held by French banks. Just look at what Libya was like under Gaddafi compared to how it looks now. 🤮

😁

Right, because he definitely wasn't looting the state treasury for 42 years, and the citizens certainly weren't begging for change. It was all just the orchestrated work of the CIA.

P.S. Bringing up the petrodollar and banking monopolies doesn't make you sound particularly bright. You sound like an amateur who gets all their "intel" from some random YouTube channel that pretends to be an objective truth-seeker while selling you nothing but nonsense.
briskmason18 briskmason18 Member
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#54 ·
He moved people out of tents and into actual homes, but then the Americans and French just sent them right back 👍

He turned them into literate citizens, only for the Americans and French to turn them back into cavemen 👍
Betty Fowler Betty Fowler Active Member
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#55 ·
Just like how Putin handles the Russians and Russia, right? 😁
Joseph Clark95 Joseph Clark95 NewcomerOP
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#56 ·
Ukraine doesn't have even a shred of systemic similarity to Nazism. On the other hand, you have Russia, which is entirely fascist—using the broad definition that includes Nazism. So, really, there’s no point in even talking about "flirting" with those ideologies.


Are you actually this dense, or are you just getting paid to peddle the absolute worst propaganda on the planet?
If I can offer you one piece of advice for your own sake: stop claiming you're looking at things from both sides. You talk about scouring literature and hunting down sources from opposing viewpoints just to reach your own conclusions, but let's be real. Is that actually happening? Or are you just telling people what they want to hear?

Look, you’ve got it all wrong. People love to throw the "dictator" label around, but Putin isn't some one-man show. He’s more like the steady hand balancing the scales between the old USSR era and the modern Russian state. He doesn't just steamroll through decisions; he actually listens to his advisors and weighs different perspectives before pulling the trigger. And honestly? This idea that he’s just some absolute monarch acting on whim is your biggest mistake. You seem to think because he shows up for photos and signs decrees, he’s operating like those hereditary monarchs the Americans and the British try to set up overseas. That’s a complete delusion.

Another thing—you’re constantly spinning Russia in 2023 as if we're still living in the USSR or some era even further back.
It’s not even up for debate. We all know the history. We know who committed genocide against Native Americans, who dropped those nuclear bombs, and who decided to go rogue with unauthorized bombings. It’s all right there.
There isn't a more repressive country on the planet than the USA, yet here you are, still trolling about things you clearly don't understand.

Listen, kid, Wagner was around long before Blackwater ever existed. You really think that's how it works? It’s almost funny. The Russians are out there taking lessons from the most democratic nation on Earth—from the most merciful country on the planet, the ultimate champions of democracy. Isn't that just precious?
You aren't exactly a free thinker if you’re just parroting Western propaganda on this forum. Look at Canada—they actually have the backbone to protect their own people and their country instead of sacrificing everything just to serve the interests of the USA.
Do you really think countries like Mexico, Germany, or even smaller players could pull something like that off? Not a chance. They’re basically vassal states. Once the Federal Reserve decides to turn off the tap on their credit lines, it's game over. Those politicians wouldn't stand a shot; the Fed would just squeeze them until they've caused total chaos and collapsed the economy, effectively clearing the way to oust them. That’s what real freedom looks like. Russia doesn't play those games—that's how America handles things.

Russian policy is fundamentally driven by conquest and Nazi-style expansionism. It’s almost funny, isn't it? They have the audacity to point fingers and accuse everyone else of being the Nazis while they follow that exact same playbook.

Russia’s political playbook is essentially just one long defensive maneuver. That's all it is.
When Russia actually decides to invade Arizona or some other state on the map, then we can start talking about an invasion war. Until then? Not so much.

What exactly was the goal here? Be clear and be precise.

There’s this thing called geopolitics.
You could argue that the USA still holds a monopoly on global power. But honestly, it isn't really about the military might. It’s about the financial architecture. It's the petrodollar system. And if you look closely, that whole setup is starting to move a lot faster toward an endgame than most people realize.

The US is obsessed with holding onto its grip on power and staying right where it is. But let's be real: they don't have the kind of natural resources you see in countries that were colonized specifically to bleed their oil reserves dry. Now, they’ve run into a massive, de facto headache: natural gas. And thanks to that, Russia has managed to build some serious leverage.
American LNG is more expensive, a logistical nightmare to move, and all that good stuff. For years, Europe just leaned on cheap Russian gas. So, what exactly went sideways?
Who’s actually walking away with the biggest payday from this whole war in Ukraine?
At its core, this is just a calculated attempt to dismantle Russia by using Ukraine as cannon fodder. They can't see the forest for the trees, can they?

So, you're really going to obsess over the whole Gaddafi saga? 😵😵😵
What kind of relic are you? In an era where you have the entire world's knowledge at your fingertips right next to your TV, you still somehow manage to be incapable of finding anything that doesn't fit your specific little propaganda bubble.

Go ahead then, keep playing the "enlightened" and "free-thinking" hero while you cheer on a fascist occupying regime. Keep it up. Don't let us stop you—it's not like there are many of you left around here anyway.

Don't worry, it won't hurt... just keep opening those eyes of yours...
Arthur Smith15 Arthur Smith15 Member
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#57 ·
briskmason18 said:(...)

Just another pathetic clone, barely eleven days old. Tell me, you blatant Putin sympathizer, who are you really hiding behind?😁
Roger Fowler Roger Fowler Active Member
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#58 ·
briskmason18 said:America set this whole mess in motion, so really, we just have to wonder how badly they miscalculated their reach...

Will Ukrainians eventually realize they aren't fighting for anything other than American interests, considering they've been pumping out weapons for over a year without losing a single American soldier, or do they seriously need to be reminded of that reality at every single turn?

It just doesn't hold water. Ukraine is sitting right next to neighbors who are part of the European Union where the standard of living has skyrocketed, and frankly, Ukrainians want to move forward. They’re tired of being treated like some impoverished Russian province. If the Russians actually wanted to compete with the West, they should probably stop drinking vodka until Friday night, clean up their disgusting corruption, foster enough tolerance to stop oppressing others, and actually develop a work ethic to match Western standards. They have all the raw ingredients necessary to get there. If they did, everyone would be rushing toward them instead of fleeing from them like the plague. Just put a finger to your temple and think about it—why is it that despite having massive resources, the Russians are essentially bottom-feeders? They should be sending people from Norway or Sweden to run errands at the local corner store, rather than those countries looking toward Russia for jobs and business opportunities.
Because they are a broken people. Drunk, lazy, destitute, and corrupt bullies stuck in a social evolutionary rut, and honestly, who wouldn't run away from that? There is no need for America to go around sparking revolutions when, in the age of the internet, a population can simply decide they no longer want to be part of a backwards world. That is the bitter truth about Russia, not the nonsense you're peddling.
briskmason18 briskmason18 Member
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#59 ·
To keep the peace, nobody should have been pushing for this—not there, and not here. At the end of the day, the US and its puppet regime in Ukraine were just driving things toward a disaster. What was the goal, really? Did they think they could just wave Putin's flag in his face and get away with it?

Speaking of borders and everyone wanting things to be exactly how Washington dictates... well, look at history. Little Nicaragua wanted to stay Nicaragua until the US stepped in. Hawaii wanted to be Hawaii, but that didn't pan out. Mexico wanted to stay Mexico, and that didn't work either. Or you just end up isolated like Cuba.

The whole mess they tried to orchestrate in Ukraine? Just move the theater to the American continent. Imagine if the Chinese managed to topple the government in Mexico, installed their own puppets, and started shipping in weapons and training locals... how long would the US actually sit around and wait before reacting?
Roger Fowler Roger Fowler Active Member
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#60 ·
briskmason18 said:If they actually wanted peace, they should have stayed out of it entirely. At the end of the day, the US and its puppet regime in Ukraine were just pushing things toward a disaster; did they really think they could just wave Putin's flag in his face without consequences?

When you talk about borders and everyone wanting to be exactly what the US dictates... well, little Nicaragua wanted to be Nicaragua until the Americans moved in, Hawaii wanted to be Hawaii but couldn't quite manage it, and Mexico wanted to be Mexico but it didn't work out. Or else, you just end up like Cuba, sitting there in isolation.

The whole mess they made—or tried to make—with Ukraine would look a lot different if you just moved the whole operation over to the American continent, where the Chinese could overthrow the government in Mexico to install their own puppets and start smuggling weapons and training locals... how long do you think the US would actually sit around waiting?

And why shouldn't they wait? What are they going to do, try to win over the people of Mexico while the US stands by helpless? You influence people by offering them a better life, because nothing attracts a population more than a high standard of living and basic freedoms. If you’re running a totalitarian regime and you're broke on top of it, I suppose it’s a bit harder, which is why you end up having to resort to force.
Anyone can roll up their sleeves and build an America within their own borders—nations actually worth living in. But let's be real, not everyone is cut from the same cloth. Some people work, study, and build something meaningful, naturally resulting in a high standard of living, while others are just opportunists who don't want anything more than to snatch what belongs to someone else. Then you have those who are basically paupers despite sitting on a gold mine, much like those low-life Russians. Honestly, I wonder if those people even have a shred of shame left.

It honestly makes me sick to see a country like the Netherlands, which is mostly just damn sea sand, producing more produce than my own country, despite us having vastly more potential for it. We are sitting on oil, gas, every possible element on the periodic table, and fertile soil, yet we remain a broke, struggling people with aggressive pretensions toward anyone trying to move forward. It’s enough to make you want to walk into the ocean. You’d think people would find some inner drive to actually do something about it, but I don't know.

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