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British GP (Silverstone) | July 1–3, 2022

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ruggedcyclist56 ruggedcyclist56 MemberOP
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#201 ·
Drew Bennett68 said:Mick finally grabs his first points! I’m honestly worried Latifi might miss out on seeing them happen.

Latifi already has 7 points under his belt in Formula 1!

Raymond Anderson4 said:So, what actually went wrong there? Why did it fail so spectacularly?
Man, what a weekend. It didn't go exactly how he planned, but let’s be real—if that SC hadn't happened, he would've cruised to the win. He was absolutely flying out there! His pace was just on another level compared to everyone else. How do you even compete with that?

If that SC hadn't popped up, there wouldn't have been any debris left all over the track. If the track stayed clean, Max wouldn't have trashed his car, and he would've cruised to a victory with a massive gap between him and everyone else. It was a total game changer.

Raymond Anderson4 said:Honestly, everyone there deserved at least a warning shot. Seriously, how was that not enough?

So I caught the second start, and honestly? I thought Sainz went for it. He was driving hard, but he just didn't manage to push Max off the track.
Sainz and Leclerc seriously need a better camera setup. Seriously, how are they supposed to deal with this?

Look, setting that aside—if a driver sees you slip up and uses that opening to start an overtake, and Mick is already mid-move through the final corner on the last lap, you can't just slam the door on them. This isn't some video game, you know?
Max is in that spot, man. He shouldn't have closed him out like that! He could've just squeezed Mick right up against the edge of the track, but nah, he goes straight for the throat. Seriously, don't even try me with that move.
It’s the same old story, isn't it? If Mick had just been a little more aggressive, he would've ended up in a massive wreck.

Hey FIA, why don't you listen up? I've got some thoughts and observations for you. I’m sure you guys couldn't care less what some random forum dweller thinks—honestly, you probably care way more about what your own stewards and the race director have to say!

Lawrence Garcia5 said:So ruggedcyclist56 starts accusing someone of being a Max hater, and then just casually drops a 3 for Ham at Indianapolis Motor Speedway? Are you kidding me?

Haha, alright, that’s another one I’m officially done taking seriously.

Man, you are such a massive Max hater. Honestly, people who spend their lives hating a driver they’ve never even met or seen in person seriously need to go find a therapist. Lewis got exactly what he deserved. He had two wrecked Red Bulls in front of him and a messy Ferrari ahead, plus a golden chance to win on home soil with a car that was actually fast yesterday—yet, as a seven-time world champion, he just couldn't capitalize on it. How does that even happen?

That pretty much sums up his driving abilities, right? If you don't have a car that's at least 0.6s per lap faster than everyone else, you aren't winning. Period. But hey, his time is already in the books, so this was his big chance to finally shine—except he blew it even when everything was lined up perfectly for him (aside from having a dominant car, obviously)... 3 is more than enough.

It’s actually funny how you skipped over a few posts above where I gave him an equally deserved 7 for Canada—and that’s even more than I gave Russell, who is my favorite driver. Honestly, if we were using decimals, he would've earned a 7.7 for that performance in Canada.
George Johnson24 George Johnson24 Newcomer
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#202 ·
Roger Wright94 said:So Russell caused the wreck?
He cut left right when Gasly was already there, like at least a third of the way into Russell's car.

Sky Sports flagged him as the one at fault immediately. Ocon squeezed between him and Zhou, then Gasly tried to squeeze through because George started on hards—which he couldn't even get up to temperature, if you listen to his post-race interview—and then George just shuts the door on Gasly, who can't get out, and boom, total chaos.
I think that's why he stopped and swerved toward Zhou... probably felt a bit guilty...
swiftmaker12 swiftmaker12 Active Member
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#203 ·
Sainz mentioned that this win is a massive turning point for his son.
He thinks the kid will finally be able to fight for titles on equal footing now that the car isn't such a lemon.

You really shouldn't overlook the political landscape surrounding the Spaniard.
Ferrari's biggest sponsor is Santander—which has a huge footprint in the UK—so Sainz is essentially a project driven by Lapan Elkan and Binotto, whereas Leclerc is more of a legacy from the late Marchionne.
In the Ferrari garage, politics has always been a way for people to stab each other in the back.
You either had to go all out and risk hitting a wall, or constantly look over your shoulder.
The sharks are always circling.
Roger Martinez11 Roger Martinez11 Member
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#204 ·
swiftmaker12 said:Sainz mentioned this win is a massive turning point for his son.
And he thinks his kid will finally be able to fight for titles on equal footing now that the car isn't such a total junk heap.

Don't go underestimating the political landscape surrounding the Spaniard.
Ferrari's biggest sponsor is Santander, which has a huge footprint in the UK, and Sainz is basically Lapan Elkan and Binotto's project, whereas Leclerc is more of a legacy from the late Marchionne.
At Ferrari, politics has always been about stabbing people in the back.
You either had to drive like a maniac right against the wall or spend half your time looking over your shoulder.
The vultures are always circling.


Everything is falling perfectly into place for Maximilian. Now these two guys at Ferrari are just going to be fighting amongst themselves, while Max can easily cruise to second place in every single race until the end of the championship. I guess the real circus at Ferrari is only just starting now that Carlos has actually won one.
cosmicmoose2 cosmicmoose2 Active Member
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#205 ·
George Johnson24 said:I bet he stopped and ran over to Zhou because he felt guilty or something.

For sure he did. But honestly, that doesn't mean he wouldn't have done it anyway. Even Callum Ilott mentioned after his crash that Russell helped clear a go-kart off him while he was flipping over... so it might not always be some calculated, fake move.
wanderingharbor492 wanderingharbor492 Member
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#206 ·
Roger Wright94 said:....Russell was veering left, likely trying to squeeze out some kind of advantage. It was a pretty sharp turn, if you ask me—not just a slight nudge—so it’s bizarre he didn't spot Gasly in his rearview mirror. Just careless, plain and simple.
He caused quite a bit of damage. I suppose it flew under the radar because there were more pressing matters at hand back then.
I honestly don't know if they even looked into it
🤔?

The guy is lucky to be alive, and here you are claiming there were "more important things" happening. I'd go as far as to say it wasn't investigated simply because Russell the Briton is a local favorite, and the race was held right there on home soil...
wanderingharbor492 wanderingharbor492 Member
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#207 ·
Roger Martinez11 said:Everything is just falling perfectly into place for Max, and now those two over at Ferrari are going to be stuck spinning their wheels... Honestly, Max could probably coast to a second-place finish in every single race for the rest of the season if he wanted to. I mean, is this where the real circus finally begins at Ferrari, right after Carlos managed to pull off that win?

But what happens if things start getting messy over at RB because Perez decides to trip himself up? He is getting uncomfortably close to Max in the standings...
Lisa Thomas3 Lisa Thomas3 Member
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#208 ·
Raymond Anderson4 said:Why did it fail so spectacularly?
It was a decent weekend. Things didn't exactly go according to plan, but if it hadn't been for that SC, he would've taken the win. And honestly, he would have dominated, because his pace was just on another level compared to everyone else...

If this was actually a good weekend behind the wheel, then the standard is honestly rock bottom...
If there hadn't been an SC, he would have "easily won," but not because his pace was actually superior to the field. It’s more that his main rival dropped out due to track debris, the second contender—Perez—got taken out because Leclerc went on a suicide mission trying to pass him (of course, Leclerc escaped unscathed while Perez ended up at the back), and the third guy, Sainz, was forced off by Ferrari team orders. Basically, you knock two RB cars out of the race, clear your own path, and then act like it was all thanks to "unbeatable pace"... 🙏
It looks like you've got some temporary amnesia if you're forgetting that the only reason he was even in first place was because Sainz let him through on Ferrari's orders...

Basically, you screw up qualifying, you screw up the standing start, and the only reason you aren't buried in the pack is because a red flag saved your skin and reset the order. Then you collide with Perez and somehow luck out again by getting a free pass. To top it all off, the team lets you ahead of your teammate even though you can't actually overtake him on track. So, you drive like an absolute maniac at the end, convinced you earned the win, when really, the only thing that truly screwed you over was your own team...🙏

The End As I was saying:
He was 0.315 behind the leader, and that’s with the rain coming down...
So he didn't take pole, but what's the big deal? Even Max wasn't leading every single qualifying session, and he still managed to walk away with the wins anyway...

You’re supposed to squeeze everything out of the car. It’s obvious Ferrari has had the fastest car on the grid during qualifying all season long, but the second it starts raining, Max suddenly becomes the undisputed favorite. We all know why that is; it’s like the Ferrari drivers are cursed or something. He was only 0.315 behind the leader, even after messing up his final lap—and that’s considered "good enough"? When you're driving the fastest car on the track? To me, that's just a decent showing for some mid-field driver...
He’s crying about it later just because he’s faster. He had his shot in qualifying. Now he either needs to pass him on track properly or just shut up...

Raymond Anderson4 said:Personally, I wasn't bothered that he didn't move out of the way. The thing is, when Ferrari goes wheel-to-wheel, their top speeds are basically identical. Leclerc could have been sitting right on his gearbox for another 20 laps and still wouldn't have had the pace to get past him. He was faster, sure—he’s always faster—but just not enough to actually make the move...

You could tell Leclerc was faster the second they swapped positions; he pulled a 4.2-second gap in just eight laps.

Why didn't Sainz pull a 4.2-second gap when Leclerc was sitting right behind him?

That tactic was pure nonsense. They completely screwed over Leclerc.

Binotto claims they weren't sure a double stack was doable, fine, but then what?

If they had gone for the double stack, Sainz would have lost maybe a second or two at most, putting him behind Hamilton.
Basically, they would've had a 1-3 for Ferrari on the SC restart, both on softs. How is that worse than having one Ferrari on fresh softs and another stuck on hards, destined to drop back? Leclerc was already looking vulnerable to losing spots to Alonso...
So their choice was basically:
1. Let Sainz lose a position max, but keep him on new tires.
2. Leave Leclerc on old tires and risk him sliding down to 5th or 6th.

They picked option 2.

How is that anything other than favoring Sainz's strategy?

Look, I never denied Leclerc looked slightly quicker there. He did have fresher rubber, granted.
But that’s hardly a valid reason for Sainz to just let him through. If there were a 2-second gap making a fight pointless, or if they were on totally different strategies, or if we were at the final three races and Leclerc was the only one with a shot at the title—then yeah, it would make sense.
But we aren't even halfway through the season. They're on practically identical strategies, the points gap between them is minimal, and they're fighting for position on equal footing—so where does Ferrari get the idea to prioritize Leclerc? Especially since this isn't even their first year together; we already have enough data to know what both drivers can actually deliver.

Also, nobody’s disputing that Ferrari botched the finish and Leclerc should have pitted. But that wasn't an error caused by "favoring Sainz"—it was just pure incompetence. In those few seconds they had to bring Leclerc in, they simply couldn't make up their minds.
However, their other calls during this race—from telling Sainz to yield to Leclerc, to that insane idea at the end where Sainz was supposed to protect Leclerc (if he'd actually listened, they probably would've finished 3rd and 4th, if not worse)—those are the real signs of favoritism toward Leclerc.

Raymond Anderson4 said:Can you even list his mistakes this season?
Imola?
That contact with Perez the other day?
What else?

Yeah, yesterday in the race and in qualifying.
Imola too, just a rookie mistake.
I also remember Miami, where he gifted Max the win by messing up his exit from a corner.
And Saudi Arabia, where he struggled in battles with Verstappen and had some weak qualifying sessions.
That’s just off the top of my head; I haven't been counting, so I might have missed something.
Regardless, it's plenty. Compare that to Verstappen, who's actually fighting for the championship.
And then there's Monaco. I've said this before, but people always blame the team, as if Leclerc was driving blindfolded. Sainz made it crystal clear what he wanted, and he didn't blame the team for once. It's on the driver to read the track conditions and speak up. Racing intelligence is just as vital as raw speed in Formula 1, and Sainz is miles ahead of Leclerc in that regard. Even at Indianapolis, nobody complained when he asked for softs, though like I said, they had very little time to decide, so I won't pin too much on him or the crew there. But Monaco? He could have handled that much better, and we all know it.

In a crisis, a driver has to show clear intent and decisiveness. Take Max, for example—the second he felt something was off with the car, he immediately barked over the radio, "possible tire failure, pitting now." Honestly, I don't even know if the tire was actually blown; he might have pitted for nothing because the issue was actually the chassis, not the rubber. But that’s what a champion does. No hesitation, no second-guessing... If I imagine that happening to Leclerc, he’d probably just stay out in that same position, crying to the team over the radio for the next lap about how slow they are or demanding a tire check, only for the crew to respond, "we don't see any issues with the tire." He’d end up losing an entire lap while everyone else flies past him, and then the fans would spend the whole post-race cycle screaming at the team for being clueless.
Roger Martinez11 Roger Martinez11 Member
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#209 ·
wanderingharbor492 said:What if things get a little messy at Red Bull Racing because Perez is actually breathing down Max's neck in the standings?

Multi-Sergio, or are we just waiting on those Fuschl am see paper !! updates?
Amanda Kelly Amanda Kelly Regular
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#210 ·
Brian Garcia24 said:...

Since you've gone through such a long list of mistakes made by Charles Leclerc, care to mention if Max had any slip-ups at Indianapolis Motor Speedway?
Or even just one tiny little error?
Amanda Kelly Amanda Kelly Regular
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#211 ·
graniteharbor502 said:Is 4 points too little for Mick Schumacher?

We aren't talking about Mick Schumacher.
You claimed Max Verstappen had nothing to lose. I’m telling you he had plenty—6 points on the line.
Drew Bennett68 Drew Bennett68 Regular
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#212 ·
@Baskerville

I’ve completely lost track, honestly—we’ll just have to wait and see if they can actually scrape together a single point this season. 👍

It feels like things are even more dire than usual.

I was just scrolling through the reactions over on the ESPN forums in the Ferrari thread, and man, people are beyond frustrated. There’s zero celebration to be found; instead, it’s just non-stop finger-pointing at Andreas Binotto and Carlos Sainz, while Charles Leclerc is treated like some sort of martyr. You see the exact same thing happening in the Italian media, too. This whole situation feels like it could boil over any second now. I'm really pulling for Charles Leclerc to grab a win in Austria.
Amanda Kelly Amanda Kelly Regular
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#213 ·
Brian Garcia24 said:... I'm not saying Leclerc wasn't looking a bit faster at that moment. He did have fresher tires, though...

Looking!? 😵
Let’s be real. Leclerc has been faster than Sainz in 90% of the laps driven so far.
Leclerc has grabbed 6 pole positions in 10 races this season. Sainz has one, and that was mostly thanks to the rain.

So,
Leclerc only looked faster
just in that specific moment
just a little
That’s a hell of an exaggeration. 🙏

Brian Garcia24 said:... But even then, it's not a crazy enough reason for Sainz to let him through...

Oh sure, it absolutely is.
What else are we supposed to do? Let a slower driver hold up a faster one and bleed precious time?

Brian Garcia24 said:... where does Ferrari get the right...

Authority comes from ownership.

Brian Garcia24 said:... where does Ferrari get the idea to favor Leclerc? Especially since this isn't their first season together, and we already have a pretty good sample size of how they stack up...

I guess they know who they should favor better than you do.
And they're using that exact "sample size" to make the call.
Do you actually think your "data" is any better than theirs!?
Linda Peterson43 Linda Peterson43 Active Member
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#214 ·
Roger Wright94 said:Feel free to add your own thoughts as well.

George Russell veered left, likely attempting to gain some sort of advantage. It was a pretty sharp turn, in my opinion—not just a slight adjustment—so it seems quite strange that he didn't spot Pierre Gasly in his rearview mirror. Essentially, it was careless and inattentive.
He caused a significant amount of damage. I suspect it flew under the radar because there were more pressing matters at hand during that moment.
I am not entirely sure if there was even an official investigation regarding 🤔?


To me, it looked as though Russell actually clipped Gasly’s rear left tire just a split second before the collision...
Perhaps I am mistaken, but that is how it appeared to me...
graniteharbor502 graniteharbor502 Regular
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#215 ·
Richard Ross11 said:It looked to me like Russell actually clipped the rear left tire on Gasly just a split second before the collision...
Perhaps I am mistaken, but that is certainly how it appeared to my eyes...

Gasly struck Russell with his front wheel, which then caused the Briton to collide with Zhou Guanyu. The crux of the issue lies in the fact that Gasly spotted an opening between Zhou and Russell, yet Russell began veering toward Zhou to close that very gap. Unfortunately, he did so far too late, leaving him essentially responsible for the crash. Zhou maintained his line, Gasly followed the path through the gap, but Russell failed to hold his course.
Linda Peterson43 Linda Peterson43 Active Member
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#216 ·
graniteharbor502 said:Gasly clipped Russell with his front tire, which then sent the Briton colliding into Zhou Guanyu. The issue arises because Gasly spotted a gap between Zhou and Russell, yet Russell began veering toward Zhou just as he tried to close that opening. However, he was simply too late to make the move, leaving him essentially responsible for the contact. Zhou maintained his line, Gasly attempted the gap, but Russell failed to hold his position.


Yes, technically Russell was ahead and had the right to defend his line... I am not trying to defend him, nor am I a fan of his (just to be clear), but I wouldn't say he is solely to blame for this collision... I would argue Gasly was more at fault, given how he tried to force his way through where there simply wasn't any room...
swiftmaker12 swiftmaker12 Active Member
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#217 ·
Just a racing incident
They played a little too fast and loose—and well, that's how you end up with a total wreck
It’s reminiscent of what happened with Romain Grosjean and Lewis Hamilton back at Spa 2012, which eventually cost Fernando Alonso
Or maybe Spa 2018, when Nico Hulkenberg was squeezing Fernando Alonso and then he just plowed right into Charles Leclerc in the Alfa Romeo
Like Singapore 2017, where Sebastian Vettel and Kimi Raikkonen basically tore themselves apart trying to shut out Max Verstappen
And where on earth is our hero Valtteri Bottas? The guy who absolutely swept through four or five cars last year in Canada
Who knows, really
graniteharbor502 graniteharbor502 Regular
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#218 ·
Palmer's take on this whole situation:

And if you ask me, the lion's share of the blame for that collision really rests on George Russell's shoulders.
darkmarlin16 darkmarlin16 Veteran
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#219 ·
fadedwalker18 said:Charles Leclerc is just more talented than Carlos Sainz Jr., period. No debate here.
But honestly, Ferrari is going to absolutely screw themselves over if they keep backing The Spaniard. It’s all about the money and the politics, isn't it?

The last time Leclerc actually outclassed Sainz was in Miami.
cosmicmoose2 cosmicmoose2 Active Member
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#220 ·
graniteharbor502 said:Even according to Palmer's breakdown on this...


And even he thinks Russell takes the biggest blame for the crash.
Well, yeah, he does. But look, it was just a mess in the pack right at the start, before turn one. Nobody got seriously hurt, and Russell had to pay the price himself by getting knocked out of the race. Regardless of who's actually at fault here, I don't think it was a situation that called for a penalty...

Jelena Veljača would probably claim he got away with it just because he's a privileged white guy.

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