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British GP (Silverstone) | July 1–3, 2022

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Amanda Kelly Amanda Kelly Regular
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#221 ·
darkmarlin16 said:The last time Leclerc was actually better than Sainz was in Miami.

The last time Leclerc had a better finishing position than Sainz was in Miami.
If you want to pretend that’s the same thing as being "better," fine. Whatever helps you sleep at night.

Being a better driver, driving a better race, and finishing higher up the order aren't the same things.
Amanda Kelly Amanda Kelly Regular
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#222 ·
cosmicmoose2 said:He takes his lumps. But look, it was just a mess in the pack at the start, before the first turn. Nobody walked away with anything serious, and George Russell had to pay the price by dropping out of the race himself. Regardless of who's actually at fault here, I don't think it was a situation that called for a penalty.

Jelena Veljača would probably claim he got off easy just because he's a privileged white guy.

+1
graniteharbor502 graniteharbor502 Regular
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#223 ·
Roger Wright94 said:The last time Leclerc was in Miami, his finishing position was actually higher.
If you choose to equate a higher placement with being a superior driver, then I suppose that is your prerogative.

However, one must consider whether being a better driver, executing a more skillful race, or simply securing a higher rank are truly synonymous concepts, are they not?

Regrettably, the championship standings do not award points based on artistic impression or sheer flair. We should perhaps keep in mind that Carlos Sainz delivered a much stronger qualifying performance just now in the United Kingdom. While it is perfectly evident that he lacks the raw pace possessed by Charles Leclerc, it remains equally true that Leclerc does not quite possess the tactical driving intelligence shown by Sainz. If one were somehow able to merge those two skill sets, would we not end up with an exceptionally formidable driver?
Amanda Kelly Amanda Kelly Regular
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#224 ·
graniteharbor502 said:Unfortunately, they don't hand out points for style. Let's not forget that Sainz actually put together a better qualifying lap just now at the United Kingdom. It's obvious he doesn't have Leclerc's raw pace, but then again, Leclerc lacks the race intelligence Sainz brings to the table. If you could somehow merge them, you might actually end up with a decent driver.

One single qualifying session. In a sport where track conditions change and every new lap feels different. So yeah, let's call that "highly conditional."
graniteharbor502 graniteharbor502 Regular
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#225 ·
Roger Wright94 said:A qualifying session consisting of just ten laps? In an environment where every single subsequent lap brings entirely different, faster track conditions, one must wonder... isn't that incredibly conditional?

Exactly. It seems to me that Carlos Sainz possesses a much sharper ability to adapt to shifting track conditions on the fly, whereas Charles Leclerc appears to perpetually wait in a sort of passive state for instructions from the pit wallβ€”where, one can't help but notice, the spiders seem to be sitting.
Amanda Kelly Amanda Kelly Regular
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#226 ·
Look, I get it, but I really just wish he’d learn how to adapt to the car a little faster.
swiftmaker12 swiftmaker12 Active Member
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#227 ·
The Italians are all about Charles Leclerc right nowβ€”every single news outlet is asking why Ferrari is essentially throwing him under the bus.
If you actually follow the technical side of things, there’s a logical explanation for this mess.
From what I've gathered, after those early wins, management got a little too big for their bootsβ€”but over the last three months, Ferrari has barely even touched the podium. The pressure on Andreas Binotto is becoming massive.
And then, he makes the call that really screws everything up. He decided not to call Charles because he wasn't certain both drivers could manage the tire degradation, so he played it safe.
It seems he cared more about saving his own skin than taking a calculated risk with Charles Leclerc and Carlos Sainz in the pits. By playing it safe, he lowered the heat on himself, since at the end of the day, Ferrari still walked away with the win.
There’s also talk that Charles Leclerc has been on very cold terms with Andreas Binotto lately.
Instead of four or five clean victories, we’re looking at two fourth-place finishes, a fifth, and two DNFs.
That’s what happens when you deal with corporate politics and corporate ego.
They only care about protecting their own positionsβ€”who cares about the faster driver?
I actually sent Charles Leclerc a WhatsApp message telling him to get moving and start negotiating with The German to drive for them next year.

This is exactly why Fernando Alonso is the king and my personal favorite. He doesn't let some petty little bosses or yes-men dictate how he should drive or tell him what to do.
Honestly, it's better to have your pride and dignity than to let a team mess with your head and just sit there like a coward.
But hey, everyone acts according to their own character.
silverviper44 silverviper44 Active Member
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#228 ·
swiftmaker12 said:I sent Charles Leclerc a WhatsApp message telling him he needs to get over to Germany immediately and negotiate driving for them next year.

Sure, and then you woke up, soaking wet. 😁 😁
swiftmaker12 swiftmaker12 Active Member
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#229 ·
silverviper44 said:Yeah, rightβ€”and then you woke up soaking wet. 😁 😁

🀣

Look, a little poetic license never hurt anyone.
Ashley Ramirez4 Ashley Ramirez4 Active Member
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#230 ·
graniteharbor502 said:Here’s Palmer's take on this:


Even according to him, Russell is mostly to blame for the crash.
Oh, okay, so looking at the replayβ€”it looks like Russell's tire blew out when he hit Gasly's car, which I guess just sent him spinning even harder toward Zhou.
Amanda Kelly Amanda Kelly Regular
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#231 ·
Brian Garcia24 said:... not because his main rival dropped out due to some debris on the track, but because the second driver (Perez) crashed after Leclerc went full kamikaze trying to dive on him (and of course, Leclerc got lucky and sailed through while Perez ended up at the back), ...

... you crash into Perez, yet somehow you still get lucky because you walk away unscathed, ...

https://twitter.com/F1/status/154432...User123

Is this Leclerc's "kamikaze move"?
Or was it actually Perez making the play?
Who's actually at fault here? Who squeezed whom?

Heading into the turn before the wreck, Perez has the inside line wide open and a real shot at closing the gap to Sainzβ€”maybe even jumping Max (who stayed stuck on the outside) along the way.
But no, he won't, or maybe he just can't, fight Max, so he eases off the throttle a bit. Then, needing to make up ground for the next left-hander, he lunges hard to the left and slams right into Leclerc. It’s a nose-to-nose collision, which means Leclerc (who was hugging the far left edge of the track) was already deep inside. What was Leclerc supposed to do? Just slam on the brakes mid-corner or drive straight into the grass?

So, who actually ran into whom?
Amanda Kelly Amanda Kelly Regular
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#232 ·
I didn't see this one coming.
Eleven winners, accounting for more than half the grid.

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Elizabeth Mendoza Elizabeth Mendoza Regular
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#233 ·
They would’ve had twelve of them if Norris hadn't been so cocky.
Ashley Ramirez4 Ashley Ramirez4 Active Member
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#234 ·
Turns out Max ended up with some parts from the Red Bull Racing car, and then Red Bull Racing gave them back 😬

Some people here were really dragging Charles Leclerc through the mud about itβ€”funny how that works when their own sister team basically hands pieces over to Max

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