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True Crime: The Boston Massacre

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Participants Melissa Garcia70Christian MyersAnthony Nelson3Chris Myersbluemason3Hannah Alvarez2Lisa Jackson7Grace RamosLarry Walker24cosmicotter85coppersailor28Jerry Robinson56Alexander ThompsonRoger Castillo9
Grace Ramos Grace Ramos Member
45 messages
joined Jul 2013
#21 ·
People used to believe things because there was a different set of rules back then. Nowadays, the whole game is built on exaggeration, fake sentimentality, and pure superficiality. It’s all smoke and mirrors—they're selling fog by the truckload. Everywhere you look, it's just scams and theft. It makes me think about how, under the old system, two neighbors ended up in a maximum-security prison—one for attacking his neighbor with a hoe and the other for stealing, basically, a few chickens. Today, those guys would be considered big shots and respected citizens.

And no, I’m not some nostalgic old man; I’m just watching people steal shamelessly. They invent their own little sets of rules just to cover their tracks, and then the lowlifes actually brag about it, acting like there's nothing wrong with it. More often than not, they target their own neighbors, especially out in the rural parts of the country.

Every system has its flaws and glitches, but this current mess? Even in Alan Ford, they wouldn't have dreamed of something this ridiculous.
Melissa Garcia70 Melissa Garcia70 MemberOP
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joined Jun 2020
#22 ·
Larry Walker24 said:So they actually trusted the system since 1945?

Don't derail the thread.
The point is obvious.
The government is basically useless if the main agencies can't even function.

Zavala
Bezuk
Koloper

Why would they give a damn about '45?
cosmicotter85 cosmicotter85 Newcomer
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#23 ·
It’s honestly hilarious reading you guys argue about this—clearly, none of you are actually from Boston, because if you were, you’d already know what really drives this city, even if nobody wants to say it out loud.
Some of those local officials are busy blaming "illegal weapons." 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
But they aren't mentioning how we've been stuck in a total lawless wasteland for ages where the debtors basically end up seizing the creditors...
Melissa Garcia70 Melissa Garcia70 MemberOP
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#24 ·
cosmicotter85 said:It’s honestly hilarious watching you guys argue about this. Clearly, none of you are actually from Boston, because if you were, you’d know exactly what’s driving this city—but nobody wants to say it out loud.
Some idiots in City Hall are trying to blame "illegal weapons." 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
And let's not forget how we've been stuck in a total wasteland for ages, where the debtor basically gets to screw over the creditor...

Get involved... participate.
What exactly triggered Koloper's bloody rampage?
cosmicotter85 cosmicotter85 Newcomer
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#25 ·
Melissa Garcia70 said:Get involved... participate.
What’s actually driving Koloper's bloody rampage?

Look, man—let’s just pause for a second and use some actual logic here.
An online forum is meant for people to debate various topics, news, and whatever else.
Trying to dissect why some guy—who seemed perfectly fine five minutes ago—just grabbed an automatic weapon and started killing people right here within the context of a forum discussion is pointless.
In a thread like this, you’re either going to read "that's wrong, I could never do that" (yeah, sure, most people here have probably lent their life savings to someone only to have that person legally seize their house via some loophole) or "whatever, they're just scum and war profiteers, if the law protects them then he was justified"—which, by the way, is exactly the kind of talk that gets you a warning, a ban, or at least a partial ban from the sub-forum.
So, honestly? It’s best to just lock this thread, delete it, or toss it into the archives.
Grace Ramos Grace Ramos Member
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joined Jul 2013
#26 ·
Well, look when the debtor ends up seizing the creditor—that’s enough right there. It’s a shame we didn't catch this little "gem" sooner, especially since we're constantly surrounded by situations just like it.
Melissa Garcia70 Melissa Garcia70 MemberOP
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joined Jun 2020
#27 ·
cosmicotter85 said:Look, man—let's just pause for a second and use some actual logic here.
The forum is an online space meant for people to debate all sorts of stuff, news, events, whatever.
Trying to hash out why some guy—who seemed totally normal five minutes ago—suddenly grabs an automatic weapon and massacres people within a forum thread? It’s pointless.
In a forum discussion, you're either gonna read "That's messed up, I could never do that" (yeah, right—most of these guys have probably lent their entire life savings to some jerk who didn't just ghost them, but actually used the legal system to seize their house) or "Who cares, they're just scum and war profiteers, and if predatory laws protect them, then he was justified." For the latter, you'd pretty much get a red card, a ban, or at least a partial ban from the sub-forum.
So, the best move is to just lock this thread, delete it, or toss it into the archives.

Why did he do it?
No clue. I'm reading the news, but even then, nobody knows what finally snapped him. Nobody knows... Or maybe his family does. Who knows.

Reading your post, I think I see where you're coming from.
Don't lock it or kill the idea of starting a dedicated sub-forum; instead, build a solid moderator duo or trio to keep a tight leash on the content. Because if we get too close to the core of the tragedy, there's always a risk of people using inappropriate language regarding a situation that's already devastating.
It's just not cool to use sports terminology when talking about murders.
There's a fix for this: implement clear-cut rules that everyone has to follow.

So, are you against commenting on tragedies then?
People comment on them whenever they hit the news anyway; the only difference here is that they'd be organized into one specific sub-forum.

And let's not underestimate how mature the users here are. With all these major portals shutting down because of the Communications Act—as Larry Walker24 so aptly pointed out—we can definitely expect a migration over to this forum.
What do we get out of that?
Forum activity. Higher traffic. Increased platform capacity and better ratings.
The results speak for themselves.
coppersailor28 coppersailor28 Active Member
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#28 ·
Melissa Garcia70 said:...
Using sports terminology when discussing homicide is inappropriate.
...

It’s also inappropriate to adopt the persona of a wannabe film critic, or to attempt those pseudo-psychological profiles written in that pretentious "intellectual" style...

Bottom line: approaching topics like this with such amateurish methods and low-rent logic is simply not okay.
cosmicotter85 cosmicotter85 Newcomer
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#29 ·
Melissa Garcia70 said:So you're basically saying we shouldn't even talk about tragedies?

Alright then—if it's not too much trouble—what's actually the point of this thread? What are we even supposed to walk away with here?
Melissa Garcia70 Melissa Garcia70 MemberOP
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#30 ·
cosmicotter85 said:Alright, if you don't mind me asking—what’s even the point of this thread? What are we actually supposed to conclude here?

It's about why things went off the rails.
Why nobody stopped it...
And why the whole thing has to hit rock bottom.
Bottom line—all that fear, anxiety, and uncertainty surrounding CK comes down to human nature.
People spend their whole lives trying to dodge the inevitable stuff—but that's just life.
You have to face it. And you have to get stronger by owning up to your own weaknesses.
cosmicotter85 cosmicotter85 Newcomer
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#31 ·
Melissa Garcia70 said:Why things went off the rails.
And why nobody stopped it...
And why everything just has to crash and burn.
Basically, all this fear, anxiety, and unease surrounding CK matters comes down to human nature.
People try so hard to dodge the inevitable parts of daily life—but that’s just how life works.
You have to face it. And you have to be stronger once you finally own up to your weaknesses.

Look, you shouldn't feel any fear or unease at all. Just do your job honestly, stay out of the mob, and one fine sunny day, you'll pass away from old age.

The whole thing went south because back in 1990, the US Congress passed a law that essentially killed the investigation into illegal assets and wealth seizure. It basically opened the floodgates for a bunch of bottom-feeders—people who wouldn't amount to anything in a functional country—to suddenly become "respected" citizens, entrepreneurs, judges, congressmen, and big-shot directors of public companies and institutions.
Melissa Garcia70 Melissa Garcia70 MemberOP
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#32 ·
cosmicotter85 said:You shouldn't be feeling any fear or anxiety. Just do your job honestly, stay away from the mob, and one fine sunny day you'll just die of old age.

I’m anxious because this whole system is a total wreck—just crawling with cronies and parasites. They’re the exact reason we have a carcinogenic judiciary and rigged contracts handed out to relatives, buddies, and even foreign investors who quickly realized how the game is played here..
I'm terrified of banks that bleed you dry and a government that just sits there doing nothing.
It makes me sick knowing how agricultural subsidies get split up while corruption just keeps growing.
I’ve got pure disgust for this "whatever you want" kind of country and everything that comes with it.
There's plenty of fear here because I actually play by the rules, which means I'm probably going to end up struggling.
cosmicotter85 said:Things went off the rails back when Congress passed that law in 1990 effectively killing the investigations into illegal assets. It basically let a bunch of bottom-feeders—who wouldn't last a day in a real country—become high-society citizens, entrepreneurs, judges, politicians, and CEOs of public institutions.

That's getting pretty political. I agree. We’re talking about the victims of this broken system—people who are practically walking around with weapons drawn because they think someone’s head needs to roll for all this..
Jerry Robinson56 Jerry Robinson56 Regular
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joined Apr 2013
#33 ·
Melissa Garcia70 said:What was his motive?

One only needs to look at the facts. This supposed "pillar of the community"—an entrepreneur specializing in scrap metal recycling—bought a warehouse through a middleman for a mere 1.6 million and immediately listed it for 7.5 million. He did this with what can only be described as the blessing of the presiding judge, not just the bankruptcy court. And let us not even get started on the individual driving around in a Mercedes; he claims he can't afford basic expenses, yet he flaunts an extensive real estate portfolio.
It is a classic case of a family owning everything in sight. In the US, we have a saying: "paid in full"...
It is patently obvious that there is zero protection for the actual victims here, and unfortunately, these situations persist. It isn't driven by greed or property disputes—we all know since the era of crooked politicians that money itself isn't the true asset—but rather by pure injustice. The IRS serves no practical purpose for the residents of the USA. It is, quite frankly, unacceptable.
Melissa Garcia70 Melissa Garcia70 MemberOP
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#34 ·
Word on the street is the bankruptcy trustee was supposed to bag a $75,000 bonus just for wrapping up the case..
Jerry Robinson56 Jerry Robinson56 Regular
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#35 ·
Melissa Garcia70 said:Apparently, the bankruptcy trustee was supposed to receive a $75,000 bonus just for wrapping up the liquidation..

That bonus is practically a foregone conclusion at this point. The real issue lies in the private kickbacks she likely received by providing assets at roughly 10 to 20 times
less than their actual market value.

If our institutions had actually done their jobs years ago, those responsible would be sitting behind bars rather than two meters under. I honestly just feel for the perpetrators.
Melissa Garcia70 Melissa Garcia70 MemberOP
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#36 ·
Jerry Robinson56 said:It’s basically just falling into her lap at this point—a total freebie. What actually matters is that private payout she was supposed to get. I can't even deal with this right now. It’s honestly pathetic how much people try to spin things when the facts are staring them right in the face. Total joke. Just absolute nonsense—nothing more, nothing less. Get real.Leaving people high and dry like this—it’s just pure CK incompetence. Ten to twenty times lower! It’s nowhere near its actual value.

If the authorities had actually done their damn jobs a long time ago, those guys would be behind bars instead of two feet under. Honestly, I just feel for the perpetrator.

Something went sideways—somebody decided to carry out an organized hit this past Sunday.
That was a targeted, organized hit—everyone involved in that mess was part of the plan.
If everyone had actually followed the Communications Act, would we have even avoided this whole tragedy? Just asking.
Where the hell are the reports from the authorities who were actually tracking this case?
Is there anyone actually in charge up there?

Everyone’s already guessing how this tragedy ends—which is fine—but honestly, it just opens the door for a whole new set of risks that look way too much like the same old mess.
That’s a legitimate threat.
Jerry Robinson56 Jerry Robinson56 Regular
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#37 ·
Melissa Garcia70 said:Something went wrong because the perpetrator carried out an organized liquidation.

I wouldn't call it that; I’d call it pest control. Mind you, he didn't have the permit or the authorization to do it.

Melissa Garcia70 said:It was a targeted, organized liquidation involving all parties connected to this disputed matter.

That's inaccurate. They should have reached an agreement, given that the facility itself was worth twice the total claims. That is, assuming one doesn't ignore the fact that there were also outstanding debts owed to the "pest control" specialist himself. Let me reiterate: the new owner acquired the hall through an intermediary for $550000, only to flip it for $2516667. (The listing is right there) .. one can safely assume it is the same ...

http://www.poslovni-prostor.org/toni...da_7_5203.aspx

https://lider.media/poslovna-scena/h...bojstva-135172

Melissa Garcia70 said:If everything had been done strictly according to the letter of the law, could this tragedy have been avoided?

Of course it could have, but judges often operate under the good faith assumption that they don't need to scrutinize material evidence. It is quite easy to mislead them, as judges are legally presumed to be infallible...

Melissa Garcia70 said:Where are the officials from the relevant agencies who were monitoring this case?

Since you asked...
https://zadarski.slobodnadalmacija.h...-placu-1071713

Ardena Bajlo and her husband have nearly 2 million dollars

Melissa Garcia70 said:Is there anyone actually held accountable above this?

🤣 we all know how it goes...

Melissa Garcia70 said:While predicting the final outcome of this tragedy might seem obvious, doing so could simply usher us into a new phase of risks following an identical script...
That is a very real danger.

Naturally... it is a predictable resolution when our institutions fail to protect the victims. It doesn't concern me personally, but leaving criminals embedded within the power structure is...
One might have noticed the lack of collateral damage here... and I say this with a certain weary sympathy for the perpetrators. Had they survived, the entire web of corruption would have finally unraveled...
The entire protection system remains utterly helpless without a functional judiciary...
Jerry Robinson56 Jerry Robinson56 Regular
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#38 ·
ps.
According to some reports, Ardena Bajlo was directly implicated in the "Boston Massacre" case.

And here is how the situation unfolds:


This legal circus regarding the illegal construction of a gas station is leading us toward the twilight of the rule of law, but even in San Diego, we couldn't have dreamed up something this absurd. In a blatant attempt to prevent us from halting this unauthorized construction, the investor "Tri Bartol" and the contractor "Krekić Avangard" have filed a request for an injunction with the Commercial Court in San Diego on June 20th via the law firm "Franko Kotlar, Ana Vidov & partners." Essentially, they are demanding the expropriation of the Municipality and its commercial entities from any proceedings concerning the disputed property and the illegal gas station building. This is a judicial scandal of national proportions, according to Kapović, who noted that the Municipality has no business relations with either the investor or the contractor, nor does anyone owe anyone anything; therefore, the Commercial Court in San Diego lacks the jurisdiction to issue such an injunction.
- Yet, the Commercial Court issues a ruling as early as the following day, demonstrating just how "expeditious" our legal system can be! The true scandal lies in the fact that attorney Franko Kotlar is the biological brother of Ardena Bajlo, the President of the Commercial Court, and the attorney from his firm handling this specific case is David Bajlo, the President's son! There isn't a single corner of this planet where you would see such a thing—this is the wholesale privatization of an entire court, weaponized to defend organized crime and driven by a ruthless desire to protect the private interests of Kotlar's client. It is remarkable how swift and efficient the legal system becomes when family ties are involved, as the local official remarked, adding that "by privatizing the court, the state system has been put to work defending the indefensible, which clearly signals panic and desperation."


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Grace Ramos Grace Ramos Member
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#39 ·
Melissa Garcia70 said:If everyone had just followed the letter of the law, would this whole tragedy have been avoided?

Maybe. It’s just that some people have such a warped worldview and enough ego to blame anyone else for their own mess (speaking generally here). Like, say someone hits you with their car today—even if they're clearly at fault—they might pull a gun on you, then decide to run you over in a crosswalk, and top it all off by knocking you out because you dented their bumper. People are just irrational like that.
Melissa Garcia70 Melissa Garcia70 MemberOP
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#40 ·
Jeremy Brooks87 said:Maybe—look, some people just have such a twisted mindset and enough delusions of grandeur to think everyone else is always at fault (speaking generally)—that if someone hits you with their car today, even if they're clearly in the wrong, they’ll pull a gun to finish the job. Or some moron will run you over in a crosswalk and then knock you out just because you dented his fender...

People are absolutely fed up with the system.
They don't trust it one bit.
Anger is just simmering under the surface.
Everyone's given up on fixing things. We've hit a level of apathy that's honestly pathological.

The violence we saw down in San Francisco and San Diego points to methods that are tragic, yet somehow cheered on by a huge chunk of the population who thinks this is the only way to make the system actually work.

Crime has reached a breaking point for most people.
It’s gone way too far.
And the fallout is plain to see.

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