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stormyrider28 said:Oh, give me a break... you aren't actually insulting anyone by saying that. You're acting like someone putting a random link in their signature—something that has absolutely nothing to do with the rest of us—is some massive scandal that’s keeping you up at night. Seriously, what kind of logic are we using here? And when you ask if Brenda Gonzalez12's signature is the biggest issue of all? No way. The real problem was his actual insults toward people, which you saw for yourself right here. Do you honestly think that's okay?

Are you ever going to just drop the whole thing with Brenda Gonzalez12 and stop with the ad hominem attacks?
Honestly, you're becoming exhausting and just plain tedious... out of 120 posts, 50 of them are aimed directly at me. Are you seriously this obsessed? It's getting a little weird. Who even are you? Are you just Robert showing up under a new handle thinking you're being clever? Please, give it a rest... 😵😵🥱🥱

Nicole Johnson20 said:Man, there’s just so much junk out there you wish you didn't have to read! Seriously, sometimes it feels like you're wading through a mountain of absolute nonsense just to find one decent sentence. It's exhausting!Look, I don't think it's actually a huge deal that he called her out for being wishy-washy. Honestly, that's just his opinion. The real issue here—the part that actually bothers me—is how she chose to react to it. That's where things went sideways. I mean, honestly, what could she have possibly said to you in that moment? It sounds like one of those situations where you’re just completely floored—totally speechless and stuck in total shock!
I have to admit, I’m really not a fan of how those alternative crowd types went out of their way to pick a fight just to stir the pot—and what’s even worse is they were actually bragging about how successful they were at getting a reaction!

So, I’ve realized there are actually two main problems here.
She was actually the very first one to post that, and honestly, what she wrote was just... well, you know! In her own words. Honestly, I couldn't care less about her or her little "attitude." Seriously! The entire thing is based on a total misunderstanding of what was written in that Google bio of Abraham's. He wrote it that way for his own reasons, sure, but that’s all there is to it. That’s why I’m asking for someone to actually step in and take a look at the posts Nancy and I made. Please, just review them and clear up this absolute nonsense once and for all. And frankly, I think an apology is in order after all this. As for why she didn't speak up or correct things right when they happened? Well, you'll have to ask her! It’s funny how she only suddenly remembered this whole drama now that Abraham has updated his profile again. If she had just bothered to look at the original text, she would have seen there wasn't a single insult in there!

Then there’s the whole second part of this mess: Nancy is actually threatening criminal prosecution! And for what? Some supposed "defamation" that she suddenly can't find any actual evidence for. Instead of facts, she just relies on those ridiculous lines like, "it’s obvious," or "everyone knows what I mean." Honestly, it’s such nonsense. She has this habit of projecting her own conclusions onto other people—basically putting her own opinions and "it seems to me" assumptions into someone else's mouth. But the second you call her out on it and demand some proof, she immediately retreats, plays dumb, and hopes everyone just forgets the whole thing ever happened.
Look, she made it crystal clear right here that I straight-up called her a murderer. Honestly, I have to ask—how would you even react if I, or anyone else on this board, decided to label you a killer right in front of everyone? And then just kept doubling down on it, post after post? It wouldn't feel great, right? It would be pretty upsetting. Would you just sit there and let it slide, or would you demand some kind of verification? Of course you'd want proof! But when there isn't any evidence to back it up, what’s left to do? At some point, you just have to find a way to move past it.
Maybe I would, but honestly? Not a chance. If I have to, I’ll be looking into pushing for some serious sanctions because what we're dealing with here is nothing short of outright slander. Seriously! If you actually have a moment to spare, do me a favor: try digging through the archives on cancer treatment research. Just take a look at how many times I've specifically asked where my previous work was posted. And you know what? Absolute silence. Not a single response. It's pretty frustrating, to say the least!

That’s exactly how it goes. You’ve got this bunch of nobodies who ended up feeling slighted, and now they're trying to get their revenge through cheap ad hominem attacks. They're basically weaponizing the fact that the thread hasn't been moderated yet just to take shots at people. Typical!
The funniest part about all these "constructive" critics is that not one single person had the good sense to just start a new thread with a different title and post their thoughts there! But honestly, it’s pretty obvious that the issue goes way deeper than just how we organize our discussions... 🍿

Jerry White29 said:So, GNU, you gonna take the deal or are you gonna fold like a cheap lawn chair like the rest of those snake oil salesmen? pull out like a total coward?

Seriously though, who actually uses this kind of trash talk in an argument?😁 Who’s being as transparent as the Mediterranean Sea at Paradise Beach on a perfectly calm, sunny summer afternoon?

GNU, you need me to pull a Joker and ask the crowd for you?

fadedgull42 said:It’s a million-dollar question, really—who actually uses this kind of rhetoric in an argument?😁 Who is being as transparent as the Mediterranean Sea at Paradise Beach on a perfectly still, sunny summer afternoon when the water is crystal clear down to the bottom?

stormyrider28, what do you need, a lifeline from the audience just to get through this?

And here’s yet another one who just can't seem to connect the dots. Just look at what someone who clearly belongs in the fringe crowd is actually typing:

Nicole Johnson20 said:...
You and Brenda Gonzalez12 have writing styles that are as different as night and day.🤷

😁 😁
But what about you, fadedgull42? Are you planning on joining stormyrider28 in that sinking ship?
Or are you going to pull the same old disappearing act you always do whenever you're actually forced to take a stand?

Nicole Johnson20 said:I’m with you! It’s honestly ridiculous—you start a thread specifically asking to stop the biggest troll who keeps wrecking discussions on this forum (just like what Robert has been doing lately), and then someone else reports *your* post because you called him an idiot. Some people just don't care if someone is being reasonable or what their actual intentions are; all they care about is the political angle and getting into petty arguments.

The funniest part? I actually got hit with a second red card on this very thread. I started these threads to raise specific objections, backed up by links, only to have a bunch of people jump in to vent their personal frustrations. I was stunned, and then—bam—I get banned. 😵 Meanwhile, this issue has been sitting here for a whole Moon cycle with zero action. And of course, users like bonecrusher think they have a free pass to keep trolling and going off-topic because nobody is doing anything about it.

Nicole Johnson20 said:Man, you read so much garbage online. It’s hilarious—it’s not even about the guy being a total pushover, it's about the fact that she actually bothered to respond to his nonsense. Like, what was she even supposed to say? Honestly, if someone hit me with that level of weakness, I’d just be standing there speechless and completely stunned.
Look, I’m not exactly a fan of how those fringe types went out of their way to start trouble—and honestly, the fact that they're actually bragging about successfully baiting people just makes it even worse.

Lena, honey, I’m honestly speechless. Not even shocked—just done. Here’s the thing: it’s not the insults that get under my skin; it’s the lies. Pure, unadulterated LIES. You twist people's words, play the hero acting like you’re here to "heal" everyone, and pretend you’re just offering some well-meaning advice when really you're just looking for a fight and trying to talk down to us. That’s exactly why I brought up slander. Slander isn't just about an insult or a difference of opinion; it’s about making flat-out false claims. And no, I wasn't threatening a lawsuit (another lie), I was simply pointing out that what happened is actually a crime. I poked him a little bit to see if his pants were shaking—you know, giving him a taste of his own medicine since he loves nothing more than pointing fingers at everyone else's legal troubles. Mentioning slander was a total bullseye, and I knew it would hit home. The best proof that he was actually terrified? He started hallucinating things that weren't there—like claiming I was "sexually aroused" at the time. But hey, they say fear makes your eyes grow big, right? 😉

Look, I wasn't even the one who brought up that post in the first place. stormyrider28 was the one who mentioned it, and I only jumped in to stick up for him because the whole thing got nuked. Since the post was deleted, you can't even quote the full thing to prove anything. I was defending him, not myself. Period.

Look, since it’s pretty obvious you haven't been paying close attention to the story, let me catch you up on the highlights.

Brenda Gonzalez12 said:

Alright, here’s a little something for all you "expert advisors" out there. foruma.hrJust got back from the funeral of that 53-year-old lady who used to post on this thread. Honestly, it’s heavy. Cheers to following advice... or not. Honestly, I’ve learned the hard way that half the "expert" tips floating around online are absolute garbage. I once tried this "life hack" I saw on a forum about organizing my home office—total waste of an afternoon. Ended up with more clutter than when I started. Save yourself the headache: take what works, toss the rest.So, you actually tried going raw?

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So, this controversial forum user is basically making it crystal clear that the late lady actually lived her life by the very advice she was handing out. Just some alternative types from an online forum—basically, I’m in my element here.Get what I'm saying? He wasn't even talking about this forum, even though those guys are totally part of the alternative scene too. http://www.alternativa-forum.com/.

Then he was asked this:

So, what does someone actually mean when they say they’ve "gone raw"? It’s not just about skipping the microwave; it’s a whole lifestyle thing. Basically, you’re eating foods in their most natural state—no processing, no heavy cooking, nothing that messes with the enzymes. We're talking fresh produce, nuts, seeds, and maybe some soaked grains. It sounds intense, right? I tried it for a week back in Austin once, and let's just say my digestive system had a few... interesting conversations with me. But hey, people swear by the energy boost.
My sister claims she’s "raw foodist," but let’s be real—she eats maybe one banana a week and tosses some salad on the side of her actual cooked meals. That’s about it. That's her entire "raw" diet.
And then there's her—on that raw food diet too.
And that’s been going on for nearly 30 years now.
So, what are we talking here? What kind of percentage was this person actually eating raw compared to everything else?
If you had that info all along, why the hell didn't you just say so?

He basically put it like this:

If you're looking for an analysis, he's talking about raw fish, grains, milk, plus fruits and veggies.

There you go. According to him, those are just "tips from the local health nuts."

So let me ask you something: if someone scrolls through this forum and completely misinterprets our advice, whose fault is that? Is it on the person giving the tips, or the person who barely even glanced at them before jumping in? If a doctor prescribes a regimen and the patient gets lazy and takes Pill A in the morning instead of Pill B at night, who messed up? The doctor, or the patient who isn't following instructions?

Jerry White29 said:😁 😁
but hey, fadedgull42, you gonna join the GNU club in this mess?
Or are you gonna pull one of your usual disappearing acts the second you actually have to pick a side?

Way to go. So now you aren't even trying to hide it anymore?

fadedgull42 said:...
Way to go. So now you aren't even bothering to hide what you're doing anymore?

😁 😁, just like I freaking suspected...

Well, Lena, looks like you're about to be declared my clone too, so get ready for the same fate! Basically, Nancy has me on her ignore list, which means she doesn't even see my posts. She isn't actually replying to yours; she's replying to mine while pretending to talk to you. 😁 And honestly, it’s always the same pattern: she’ll snap at you, claiming you said one thing when you actually said something completely different—leaving you scrambling to find links to prove you didn't say what she claims you said. Of course, then someone like stormyrider28 will jump in just to insult you and attack you, demanding you produce links to prove you AREN'T saying what they insist you are. That’s really the level of discussion we're dealing with in this "pack"—they do nothing on this thread except troll and throw around ad hominem attacks.

fadedgull42 said:Oh, Lena, sweetie , I’m not even speechless or in shock. That’s the first thing. What bothers me isn't the insults, it's the lies. THE LIES. The lying, the twisting of arguments, acting like you're some kind of saint who deeply cares about healing people, pretending you've come to us with nothing but good intentions and helpful advice when in reality you only showed up to stir the pot and lecture us all.

Just so there's no misunderstanding, Nancy and Lena are attacking each other because they think I'm actually Lena. They're doing it just so they can later claim that the links "disappeared."

fadedgull42 said:That's why I mentioned defamation, because it's not just about a VALUE JUDGMENT like an insult; it also involves MAKING FALSE STATEMENTS. And no, I wasn't threatening a lawsuit (another lie!), I was simply noting that a crime had been committed.

Now our resident "legal expert" Nancy is trying to wiggle her way out of the mess she created.

But here is how it actually started:

"Monty, you clearly accused the alternative crowd from the American forum—not just anyone, but those specific people, namely me, Elizabeth Jackson, Robert, Mark, etc.—of being responsible for someone else's death. And I know exactly what we promote, because unlike you, I actually read what other people write."

To which the response was THIS::

"Show me exactly where and provide a quote.
It was very clear.
Where did I specifically mention YOU, Elizabeth Jackson, Robert, Mark, etc.?
If you find that post... I'll ask for it to be deleted. If you can't, then give me a public apology and delete this post, and I won't report you. Deal?"

And that's when the retreating started.

Then comes a string of posts that lead directly into a NEW ATTACK

Followed by yet another attempt I honestly don't know how much longer I can deal with these constant stops! It feels like every time I get some momentum going on the road, everything just grinds to a halt. It’s one of those things that really tests your patience, you know? One minute you're cruising along, feeling great, and the next—bam—red lights and stop signs everywhere. It makes me feel like I'm barely moving at all! Stories:

So, what comes next? I honestly don't know how I haven't said this a thousand times already, but I am just absolutely obsessed with the Rafale! Seriously, can we talk about this thing for a second? It is such an incredible piece of engineering. Every time I see one of those jets on the news or at an airshow, I find myself completely mesmerized by its design. There’s just something about that sleek, aggressive silhouette that makes my heart race a little bit—maybe I'm just a huge nerd for aviation, but hey, there's no shame in that, right? It’s not just about the looks, though. The sheer versatility of it is mind-blowing. The way it handles multi-role missions is nothing short of legendary. It feels like the ultimate "do-it-all" machine, and I mean that in the best way possible. I could spend hours reading up on its flight specs and tactical capabilities, and I still feel like I haven't scratched the surface. It’s just one of those pieces of tech that makes you stop and say, "Wow, humans are actually capable of building something that cool." Anyway, I might be rambling, but I just had to get that off my chest! Does anyone else get this excited over fighter jets, or am I totally alone here? So, out of those eight names I straight-up called out as killers—and yeah, that includes you, Lena!

After everything I just tried to explain to you... man, I really thought I was making sense there! I feel like I've been talking in circles trying to get this point across, but I guess I'm just not quite hitting the mark. Let me try one more time to break down exactly where the issue lies!

And there it is! Finally, the answer to the whole saga:

fadedgull42 said:So, I actually went ahead and asked him if he was shaking in his boots! (I decided to go with that old "fight fire with fire" approach, especially since he’s always so quick to point fingers and judge everyone else for their own mistakes! I just knew that bringing up defamation would be a total home run!...alluding to his fear, of course! A The absolute best proof that he was genuinely terrified? It’s the fact that he started hallucinating things that weren't even there! Specifically, he caught a glimpse of my—well, let's just say my very "enthusiastic" state of arousal at the time. You know what they say, though: fear really does make your eyes see things that aren't actually there! 😉

That thing is absolutely massive! Honestly, I think we need to talk about this whole concept of being "offended." You know, that feeling where someone says something just slightly off, and suddenly it feels like a personal attack? I’ve definitely been there myself—trust me, I can be a bit sensitive sometimes!—but lately, it feels like everyone is walking on eggshells. It’s like we're all constantly bracing for impact, waiting for someone to take issue with a joke or a casual comment. Personally, I try to keep things lighthearted and upbeat, but I realize that what feels like harmless fun to me might sting for someone else. It's a tricky balance, isn't it? Finding that sweet spot between being respectful and actually being able to speak our minds without a massive drama erupting every five minutes. I'm still figuring it out, but I really believe that if we approach each other with a little more grace and a lot less defensiveness, things would be so much smoother for everyone! Which one was Elizabeth Jackson or stormyrider28 talking about? Is this that poor "Nancy" girl they’re all trying to protect? Honestly, she went in there looking for trouble on purpose, got exactly what was coming to her based on her own words—and now she's even admitting why she did it! But the second Elizabeth Jackson started typing, suddenly she's playing the "offended lady" card. Poor thing, isn't she? 🤦🤦
Well, at least she was kind enough to give us the details on how everything went down! I’m honestly asking the admins to step in here—feel free to come after me first if you have to! But once that's settled, I really think everyone who jumped on this bandwagon to start this whole harassment campaign and those nasty ad hominem attacks needs to be held accountable. Specifically, let's start with Elizabeth Jackson, fadedgull42, Arsen, stormyrider28, Bonecrusher, and Benny. It’s just gotten way too out of hand! It really seems like everything is being handed out based on who people think "deserves" it and how they interpret the forum rules!

fadedgull42 said:Look, just to clear the air—I wasn't actually the one who brought up that post in the first place! It was stormyrider28 who mentioned it. I only jumped into the conversation to stick up for him because the post ended up getting deleted, which makes it impossible to quote the whole thing as proof. Honestly, I was just stepping in to defend him, not myself!

Honestly, I didn't think I’d ever be the type to say this, but here we go—a huge THANK YOU to fadedgull42! Seriously, you really are a total genius. 👍👍

Now, moving on to the second part of this whole thing:

fadedgull42 said:So, this controversial user is making it crystal clear that the late lady lived her life following the advice given by alternative types over at Reddit, which really hits home for me right here. You get what I mean? He wasn't even talking about this specific forum, even though there are plenty of alternative enthusiasts hanging out here too: http://www.alternativa-forum.com/.

Here is the original text:
"Listen, to all the wonderful 'advice-givers' on Reddit, I just walked away from the funeral of a 53-year-old regular reader of this thread who lived her life strictly by alternative medicine tips. She stuck to a raw food diet, and then, when she was finally diagnosed with kidney cancer, she turned her back on chemotherapy and doctors (calling them killers and poisoners) to go try some 'alternative' way to fight the disease."

Just to be incredibly clear—for the seventh time now: She followed the guidance of people (on this forum and various others, sites, and blogs) who suggested an alternative approach to treating cancer instead of following medical science. And yes, some of those suggestions are actually present here, coming from people acting like they're "experts."
I didn't call anyone out by name; I just recommended to everyone that they stop doing this because it’s genuinely harmful.
One example of such "advice" can be found right here:

"THE ULTIMATE ADVICE"

After that comment, the author just snapped back with, "We aren't dealing with minors here, so people should know what's okay and what isn't."
🤦🤦

fadedgull42 said:Now let me ask you, if someone reads this forum and misinterprets our advice, whose fault is that? Is it the fault of the person giving the advice, or the person who just happened to glance at it? If a doctor prescribes a treatment to a patient, but then the patient carelessly takes Pill A in the morning and Pill B at night instead of the other way around, whose fault is that? Is it the doctor's, or the patient who failed to follow the prescription?

But if a doctor gives aspirin to someone with hemophilia, they'll be staring at a blank wall for the next 15 years. Guaranteed. Because a doctor has actual responsibility and puts their NAME behind what they do.
Meanwhile, we have all these nonsensical ideas being tossed around here left and right (hidden behind usernames—which is why I honestly wish these people would test their own advice on themselves first!) while simultaneously encouraging people to reject medical treatment. They claim every cancer can be cured with baking soda, carrots, apple seeds, beets, or methods that are proven frauds. It’s a total disaster. Plain and simple.
It's pure shamanism and it's dangerous for everyone.

neoneagle93 said:As for the actual rules regarding signatures, I honestly wouldn't know... could someone drop a link to the forum guidelines where that's all laid out?

www.forum.com/showpost.php?p=24146291&postcount=7

neoneagle93 said:He’s claiming that months ago, his signature used to say anyone who didn't agree with him was a moron or a sellout.
Now he's just saying they're sellouts.

He had that in his signature for months BEFORE? Oh, come on... maybe it was three years ago? Seriously... and I don't see anything in his current signature calling you a sellout or anyone else on this board one. How exactly did you jump to that conclusion?
And that bit about me calling you a sellout? Yeah, you can take that and shove it... seriously. Can you actually provide a link showing where I said that? Look, the real issue here is that you're taking some random link that has nothing to do with you and using it to label yourself a sellout... who knows why...

Ethan Brooks59 said:Are you ever gonna just drop the obsession with Robert and stop with all these personal attacks?
You’re honestly becoming such a drag... out of your last 120 posts, 50 of them are just targeting me. Are you actually obsessed or something? Like, seriously, what is wrong with you? Is this just Robert coming back under a different handle trying to mess with people?

I guess I'm a little bit Elizabeth Jackson, a little bit Robert, a little bit Nancy... look, Brenda, out of your 100 posts, 99 of them are about Elizabeth Jackson and Bonecrusher, and before that, it was all about Robert. Now I guess it's me and Bonecrusher too. It seems like all you do on this forum is hunt down people you don't like, insult them, and twist everything they say just to start a fight... that's pretty much your whole personality here.

stormyrider28 said:www.forum.hr/showpost.php?p=24146291&postcount=7

Did you actually bother to look at the link you posted?

He had that in his signature months BEFORE? Give me a break—you mean three years ago? Get real... and I don't see anything in his current signature claiming he's a shill or that anyone on this forum is being paid off. How exactly did you jump to that conclusion?
And as for your claim that I called you a shill, you can take that straight to the bank. Why don't you provide a link showing where I ever said that? Look, neoneagle93, the issue here is that you're taking some random link that has nothing to do with you and using it to label yourself a mercenary—who knows for what purpose.

Like I already told you, you need to actually follow the conversation instead of just dropping in like a skydiver without checking their parachute.
If you had been paying attention, it would have been perfectly clear.

fadedgull42 said:That's the million-dollar question... who actually talks like this in an argument?😁 I mean, who's as transparent as the Mediterranean Sea at Paradise Beach on a perfectly calm, sunny summer afternoon with zero waves?

stormyrider28, you feeling like you need a "help wanted" sign or a lifeline from the audience?

The only ones talking this way are Brenda Gonzalez12, Linda Moore51, and biljka112. It’s just them. They’re the only three who act like this, and they’re also the only trio obsessively targeting Elizabeth Jackson, Robert, and Bonecrusher along with a few others from the alternative crowd. Most people on this board give up on a fight or a debate pretty fast, but not those three... they always have to have the last word, no matter what. They all dogpile the exact same people and twist everything anyone writes to make it look different than it actually is. Now I guess I'm getting targeted too, but whatever, it is what it is... I've seen it clearly since day one, every single day.
And regarding what Monty asked about checking if they were clones—so what? People write using multiple devices, and even though I'm no IT expert, I'm pretty sure you can swap out IP addresses too. But there's no hiding the stuff I just mentioned... it's plain as day.

stormyrider28 said:Only Brenda Gonzalez12, Linda Moore51, and biljka112 talk like this. They’re the only ones constantly picking on Elizabeth Jackson, Robert, and Bonecrusher, plus a few others from the alternative crowd. Most people on this forum give up on an argument pretty fast, but not those three. It's always the same story: they’ll fight tooth and nail just to get the last word, they all target the exact same people, and they twist everything anyone says to make it look different. I guess it's my turn to get targeted now, but whatever—this is the truth, and I've seen it playing out every single day since I joined.
And regarding Monty asking if we should check for clones? Who cares. People like that probably post from multiple devices anyway, and even I know enough to realize you can swap IP addresses. But there’s no hiding the stuff I just listed; it's as obvious as day.

Congrats, Mr. Stormyrider! You just won a million bucks!!! 🎉 🎉 🎉

neoneagle93 said:I don't see any insult here, just some old folks' sayings.

Look, you clearly know exactly what kind of insults I'm talking about... we aren't talking about some cute little proverbs here... we're talking about Brenda Gonzalez12 calling specific people on this board losers, idiots, morons, and absolute trash... seriously... does that feel like a "folk saying" to you when someone's actually working?
And if you honestly think it's totally fine to tell a SPECIFIC person on this forum "who cares about respect," would you actually want someone saying that straight to your face? Like, really? And then you're getting worked up over a link that doesn't even mention a SINGLE PERSON on this board... I mean, what kind of logic is that even...?

stormyrider28 said:...Everyone else on this board gives up on an argument or a fight almost immediately, except for those three; all three of them constantly insist on having the last word, they all dogpile the exact same people, and all three of them twist every single post to make themselves look right.

We somehow split into a trio from a single person😁, so I guess we’re dealing with some kind of cellular division here.
Basically, it’s exactly what I anticipated—once you've blurted out a blatant lie, you suddenly lose the backbone to keep going because deep down, you know you're full of it.

stormyrider28 said:And regarding Monty asking if they were clones, what's the harm in checking? People like that post using multiple devices, and even though I'm no IT expert, I'm pretty sure you can swap IP addresses whenever you want. But there are certain things they just can't hide, things I've already listed that are as clear as day.

😁 🤦
It's written in bold for a reason: stop talking about things you clearly don't understand.

fadedgull42 said:Congratulations, Mr. Stormy, you just won a million bucks!!! 🎉 🎉 🎉

Honey, are you still struggling to connect the dots?