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Formula 1 United States Grand Prix 2015 (Los Angeles - Central Park) 03/15/2015

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Patrick Bailey4 Patrick Bailey4 Active Member
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#121 ·
Mercedes' dominance isn't going anywhere.

Those guys in Maranello might be able to fool an amateur, but they aren't fooling us experts. It’s honestly become a joke how they consistently coast through their prep work and practice sessions. Any success they have feels purely accidental. And even if they do stumble into something good this year, their so-called "experts" within the team will just ruin it by chasing questionable "upgrades" from race to race.
Because of that, I’m predicting mediocrity for Ferrari, just like we've seen in recent years.
It doesn't help that they don't have a top-tier driver in the lineup this year, so they’ll likely look even worse than before.

Red Bull Racing is on a downward spiral. Those of us who actually know what we're talking about saw this coming way back when Sebastian Vettel was racking up those titles under Newey's guidance. Regardless, they'll still finish ahead of Ferrari this year. Plus, their driver lineup is objectively better.

As for McLaren, we'll have to wait a bit longer to judge them. They could easily emerge as the second most convincing team on the grid—similar to how Red Bull Racing looked last year after struggling early on—or they could turn out to be a complete disaster. Let's hold off for a while. We also shouldn't forget that they currently have arguably the best driver on the planet.
copperdrifter26 copperdrifter26 Active Member
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#122 ·
Oh, listen to this guy... What does it matter if the "best driver on the planet is behind the wheel"? It’s not like Fernando Alonso is going to magically make up four seconds. We all saw him struggle to claw back even half a second during his time at Ferrari, so thinking he can bridge a four-second gap is just wishful thinking.

As for McLaren Honda, there really isn't much to be surprised about. Both sides—and especially Honda—have been in a complete tailspin over the last seven or eight years. Honda's V8 was easily the worst engine on the grid, so I honestly don't see how they could ever hope to catch up to Mercedes.

And when it comes to Ferrari and the bunch of amateurs running things over in Maranello, the facts speak for themselves. They are the oldest, most decorated, and most prestigious team in Formula 1, so please, let's be real here 🙂
mellowtiger83 mellowtiger83 Regular
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#123 ·
Patrick Bailey4 said:Mercedes will continue to dominate.

Those Italian amateurs can only fool the inexperienced. Not us experts. Their habit of ramping up the pressure during prep and testing has become laughable. They only stumble into success by accident. And even if they happen to get lucky this year, their supposed "experts" within the team will ruin it with constant, misguided "upgrades" from race to race.
Consequently, I expect nothing more than mediocrity from Ferrari, much like in recent years.
It helps that they don't even have a top-tier driver this season, so they'll likely look even worse than before.

Red Bull is headed for a downfall. We experts predicted this back when Sebastian Vettel was busy clinching Newey's titles. Regardless, they'll still be better than Ferrari this year. Plus, they actually have better drivers.

As for McLaren, we’ll judge them later. They could easily be the second most convincing team on the grid—similar to last year's Red Bull which also struggled early on—or they could be a total disaster. Let's wait and see. One shouldn't forget that they currently employ arguably the best driver in the sport today.

🤣
What substances are we talking about? Give me something to feel high on.
mellowtiger83 mellowtiger83 Regular
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#124 ·
I maintained quite some time ago that James Allison is the absolute king of this game.

On another note, I've been watching those Ferrari stints. For a while there, they were running rather lengthy stints—quite fascinating, really—and from what it appears, they actually seem to be managing their tire degradation quite well!!
stormybadger8 stormybadger8 Veteran
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#125 ·
Patrick Bailey4 said:Mercedes is going to keep dominating.

Those Italian amateurs can only fool the rookies. Not us experts. Their habit of going full throttle during practice and testing is getting pathetic. They basically stumble into something good by accident. And even if they actually get lucky this year, their "experts" will just screw it all up with "upgrades" from race to race.
So, I’m predicting mediocrity for Ferrari, just like every other year.
Especially since they don't even have a top-tier driver this season, so they'll probably look even worse than before.

Red Bull is heading straight for a meltdown. We experts called it while Sebastian Vettel was still racking up those Newey titles. Regardless, they'll still be better than Ferrari this year. Plus, they actually have better drivers.

We'll judge McLaren a bit later. They could easily be the second-best team on the grid—kind of like last year's Red Bull that struggled early on—or they could be a total disaster. Let's wait and see. And let's not forget that they currently have arguably the best driver out there.

You're forgetting that Vettel is at Ferrari. Some teams that couldn't dream of winning lead drivers to consecutive titles, while teams that settle for podiums end up with nothing...
As for Ferrari, we'll see. All I know is some guy is going to have a field day sucking blood out of people on this forum. 😬
And it's happening very soon. 😁

Kevin Magnussen is the best driver today???
What are we talking about here? Is this a joke or did you drink too much Budweiser? 😍
jadeseal7 jadeseal7 Active Member
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#126 ·
Patrick Bailey4 said:Mercedes' dominance isn't going anywhere.

Those guys over in Maranello can only fool the inexperienced—those of us who actually follow the sport aren't buying it for a second. Honestly, the way they go all out during practice and testing sessions has become a bit of a joke at this point; they seem to stumble into something decent entirely by accident. And even if they somehow manage to catch a lucky break this year, their "experts" will just end up sabotaging those gains with questionable "upgrades" from race to race.
So, my prediction? I'm calling it now: Ferrari is looking at more mediocrity, much like we've seen in recent years.
It doesn't help that they don't exactly have a top-tier driver lineup this season, which might make them look even worse than before.

As for Red Bull Racing, they’re on a downward slide. Those of us who know better saw this coming back when Sebastian Vettel was busy racking up those Newey-designed titles. Regardless, they'll still likely outperform Ferrari this year—mostly because their driver lineup is actually superior.

I'll hold off on judging McLaren for a little while longer. They could easily be the most convincing second team on the grid—kind of like how Red Bull Racing looked last year after struggling early on—or they could be a total disaster. Let's wait and see. We also shouldn't forget that they currently have arguably the best driver on the planet.


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graniteharbor502 graniteharbor502 Regular
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#127 ·
Patrick Bailey4 said:Is it even worth questioning whether Mercedes will continue their reign at the top? One can't help but wonder if we are witnessing a period of dominance so absolute that it borders on the inevitable, a relentless march toward victory that seems almost predestined for the team.

And here we have him, our very own Captain Obvious making his grand entrance! 🙏

Patrick Bailey4 said:Those Italian incompetents could only ever hope to deceive an untrained eye.

And what of the rest of the grid? One cannot help but wonder, though, what the remaining drivers truly know, given that they possess such seasoned, experienced eyes...

Patrick Bailey4 said:It seems we simply cannot account for the true depth of our own expertise.

Are you truly suggesting that I am referring to my own clones? 😂
Experts? God help us all if we're expected to rely on any kind of "knowledge" from people like that.

Patrick Bailey4 said:It has become almost farcical, hasn't it? This habit of theirs, this constant, frantic pushing during practice sessions and training runs, feels increasingly absurd. It seems as though they only stumble upon anything remotely decent by pure accident. And even if we were to entertain the notion that such a stroke of luck might actually find them this year, one can only wonder: won't their supposed technical geniuses simply dismantle it all? They have such a knack for taking any marginal gain and completely ruining it through those endless, misguided "upgrades" from one race to the next.
Based on everything I have observed, I find myself predicting nothing more than mediocrity for Ferrari, much like we have witnessed in recent years. Is it not curious how history seems to repeat itself so predictably?

And thus, the oracle has delivered its decree! 🙂

Patrick Bailey4 said:One can't help but wonder if the situation will only deteriorate further, given that they lack any truly elite drivers this season; wouldn't you agree that their performance will likely look even more lackluster than it did previously?

Well, you certainly have an elite driver on your hands, don't you? Honestly, I think even someone struggling with a bit of mental fog would be able to grasp the sheer brilliance of his driving if he were to secure five World Championships; at that point, the evidence of him being at the absolute pinnacle of Formula 1 would be simply undeniable.

Patrick Bailey4 said:Red Bull Racing is headed straight for disaster, isn't it? We experts saw this coming even back when Vettel was celebrating those titles under Newey's guidance. Regardless, they will still outperform Ferrari this year, won't they? And besides, their driver lineup is simply superior.

:Fejspalmčina until the end of time:

Patrick Bailey4 said:We shall reserve our judgment regarding McLaren for a later date. They might emerge as the most convincing second team on the grid—much like last year's Red Bull Racing which also faced significant hurdles at the start—or they could prove to be an absolute failure altogether. Let us wait just a little longer, shall we? And let us not overlook the fact that they currently possess what is arguably the finest driver in the sport today.

Who, Jenson Button? He is a magnificent driver, truly, but to suggest he is convincingly the best? Heavens, no. While he did manage to go toe-to-toe with Lewis Hamilton, he certainly wasn't immune to losing to him either.
Patrick Bailey4 Patrick Bailey4 Active Member
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#128 ·
mellowtiger83 said:🤣
What kind of substances are we talking about here? Give me some details so I can get up to speed.


jadeseal7 said:image

If I actually understood what you two were trying to mock in my post, I might have given you a proper response. As it stands, it just feels like you're both trolling.
Look, I’ll be the first to admit that my previous post contained a few bolder, more controversial claims, but it also included points that are pretty much self-evident. Attempting to mock my position doesn't actually make you a better debater. If anything, it does the exact opposite.

stormybadger8 said:You seem to be forgetting that Vettel is driving for Ferrari. It’s funny how that works—some teams that couldn't dream of a win in their wildest fantasies end up leading drivers like him, while other teams that consider a podium finish to be their ultimate peak are actually the ones racking up consecutive championships.
I wonder what we’re actually going to see from Ferrari, but if there's one thing I'm certain of, it's that some guy is going to have a field day tearing people apart on this forum. 😬
And that's coming up very soon. 😁

Is Kevin Magnussen really the best driver on the grid today?
What are we actually looking at here? Is this about the craft beer selection or just some Budweiser? 😍

Of course I was talking about Alonso. But honestly, I think we both knew that already.

copperdrifter26 said:Listen to this guy... What does it matter if "the best driver on the grid is behind the wheel"? It’s not like Fernando Alonso is going to magically make up those four seconds. We already saw him struggle to find even half a second when he was at Ferrari, so there is absolutely no way he's clawing back four.

When it comes to McLaren Honda, there really isn't much to be surprised about. Both sides of that partnership—and especially Honda—have been in a state of total decline over the last seven or eight years. Honestly, Honda's V8 was easily the worst engine on the grid, so I just don't see how they could possibly close the gap to Mercedes.

If you want to talk about the incompetence over at Maranello, just look at the facts. Ferrari is the oldest, most decorated, and most respected team in all of Formula 1. So, please, spare me the criticism. 🙂

Of course a driver can't just shave four seconds off their time—I never claimed that was the case. But they certainly can find a few tenths, and you never really know where McLaren Honda will land, how much those tenths will matter, or if they'll even make a difference at all.

As for Ferrari, everything mentioned holds water. I'm actually a supporter of the team myself, so if you think I called them "incompetent" out of some sort of grudge or antagonism toward Ferrari, you're mistaken. Throughout their history, they've had some of the absolute greatest figures in Formula 1, and there's no debating their legacy.
What I meant to convey is that I feel the people currently running things (and by "currently," I’m referring to the last few years) aren't particularly capable, which is why I don't have very high expectations from them right now.
ruggedhawk20 ruggedhawk20 Regular
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#129 ·
Just watched FP1 and the first bit of FP2—my money's on Kimi taking the win at the F1 Australian Grand Prix : Button Trying

1) Kimi
2) One of the Mercedes cars—the other one’s gonna get taken out in a first-lap wreck
3) Daniel Ricciardo
4) One of the Williams drivers
rustyridge10 rustyridge10 Member
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#130 ·
I honestly still can't get over the fact that Vettel is driving for Ferrari; every time I see him in that car, it just feels wrong 🙂
This season, I think I'll mostly be keeping an eye on Lewis Hamilton, Fernando Alonso, and Williams
cosmiccyclist8 cosmiccyclist8 Active Member
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#131 ·
ruggedhawk20 said:Based on watching FP1 and the first 15 minutes or so of FP2, I’m calling it now—I think Kimi takes the win at the 2015 F1 Australian Grand Prix

1) Kimi
2) One of the Mercedes cars (the other one will probably get taken out in a first-corner pileup)
3) Daniel Ricciardo
4) One of the Williams drivers

Man, what a way to kick off the season if that actually happens🙏
mellowtiger83 mellowtiger83 Regular
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#132 ·
ruggedhawk20 said:After watching FP1 and the first 15 minutes of FP2, I’m calling it now: Kimi takes the win at the F1 Australian Grand Prix 2015.

1) Kimi.
2) One of the Mercedes cars (the other will likely crash out during the start)
3) Daniel Ricciardo
4) One of the Williams cars

Then you noticed Kimi was running a long stint on softs while Vettel was on mediums; that explains the gap in Kimi's pace.

A fairly bold prediction, all things considered. Nothing else to say about it.
graniteharbor502 graniteharbor502 Regular
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#133 ·
One really mustn't overlook the fact that ruggedhawk20 actually predicted Kimi Räikkönen's victory during the season opener back in 2013... and he was absolutely spot on 🙏
ruggedhawk20 ruggedhawk20 Regular
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#134 ·
mellowtiger83 said:So you finally noticed—Kimi was running a long stint on softs while Vettel was stuck on mediums, which explains why Kimi was eating him up on pace.

Anyway, the forecast was actually pretty spot on—can't argue with that.

And did you even see that Kimi's tires lasted way more laps than Vettel's, even though they were the softer compound?
ruggedhawk20 ruggedhawk20 Regular
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#135 ·
graniteharbor502 said:don't forget—this genius also called Kimi's win at the 2013 season opener... and he actually nailed 🙏

that had zero to do with being right
jadeseal7 jadeseal7 Active Member
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#136 ·
graniteharbor502 said:we really shouldn't overlook the fact that our resident visionary here actually called Kimi Räikkönen's win right back at the season opener in 2013... and he was spot on 🙏

History has a funny way of repeating itself, 🎉🎉
William Bennett53 William Bennett53 Regular
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#137 ·
I honestly should have seen this coming, and if anyone had warned me I’d eventually find myself saying this, I probably wouldn't have believed them. But here we are:

Forza Ferrari! 🙏 🙏
William Bennett53 William Bennett53 Regular
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#138 ·
And one more thing, who among you isn't planning on staying up to watch qualifying and the race: 🙂
rowdyrider12 rowdyrider12 Member
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#139 ·
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jadeseal7 jadeseal7 Active Member
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#140 ·
Lewis Hamilton doesn't look particularly thrilled to me—I have a feeling his contract negotiations aren't going quite as smoothly as he'd hoped. If things stay stuck in limbo, I might actually find myself leaning toward Nico Rosberg this season.

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