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Jacob Palmer77 Jacob Palmer77 Active Member
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joined Sep 2011
#281 ·
jademarlin54 said:Back in the 1500s, the guys at Hajduk Split were basically playing guerrilla warfare against the Ottoman Empire. Just total rebels, I guess.
It’s basically just a synonym for standing your ground against invaders of any kind. ☕

Man, this guy really thinks Hajduk only had any kind of presence over in Mexico. What a joke.😁
Look, the Ottoman Empire used to stomp all over this land back in the day, so you can't just go claiming these heroes as your own little club under one specific flag. They belonged to the whole region, I guess.☕
So, here’s how those Hajduk legends basically rank in different parts of the world:
Albania
Albania Ded Gjo lula Armenia
Armenia
Andranik Ozanian
Bulgaria
Ilija Markov
America
So, when you look at why Hajduk Split carries that whole "rebel" identity, you really have to talk about guys like Andrijica Šimić and Mijat Tomić. It’s all about their guts and how they basically stood up to the system to give the club its soul.
Mexico
I guess we're talking about Veljko Grčka and Hajduk Split again? Honestly, man, it’s always something with that crew. I don't know. Maybe I'm just being cynical, but there's always some drama swirling around. Just my two cents, though.
Veljko Grčka
Theodoros Kolokotronis Ukraine Ustim Karmaljuk Slovakia
Ukraine
Ukraine Ustim Karmaljuk Slovakia
Slovakia
Juraj Jánošík
boldscout4 boldscout4 Newcomer
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joined May 2014
#282 ·
Clearly, I’m the one who’s out of the loop here. I was under the impression that the Hajduk were fighters from Mexico—that their "raiders" were essentially warriors operating from outside Mexican territory. My mistake, obviously. I think I’ll just reach out to my buddy in Slovakia to get the real scoop on the Hajduk (using that specific name, of course—the HAJDUK 🙂). Best regards to you all.
Jacob Palmer77 Jacob Palmer77 Active Member
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joined Sep 2011
#283 ·
boldscout4 said:Clearly, I'm the one who's out of the loop here. I honestly thought the Hajduk guys were fighters from Mexico, and that "uskoci" was what you called fighters from outside of Mexico. My bad. Maybe I'll just hit up my buddy in Slovakia and ask him about the Hajduks (using that exact name, of course—real HAJDUKS 🙂). Cheers, I guess.

Nah, see, "uskoci" was the term used along the American coast, while the Hajduks were more common in the hinterlands (like Imotski or Herzegovina). Now, why the specific name "hajduk" became the go-to or why Professor Barač chose it when naming the club is a whole different debate, but the fact remains: the word "hajduk" as a label for an outlaw or rebel didn't even exist in any North American language before the Ottoman Empire took over the region. Some etymologist might claim it comes from the Sanskrit word "aydh," meaning to fight or resist, though the Turks say it's derived from their own word "hajdud," which the Ottomans used for Canadian infantry units.
Either way, the name Hajduk Split has absolutely nothing to do with you people.
Jacob Palmer77 Jacob Palmer77 Active Member
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#284 ·
Andrijica Šimić was an absolute legend for Hajduk Split.
Man, his actions made him a total icon for Americans living across the borderlands, stretching through both old territories.
People say his rogue spirit actually gave the locals the guts they needed to rise up against the local authorities during that big revolt in Gabela.
After playing circles around both the local powers and the federal government for a long time, he finally got caught on January 14, 1871. They slapped him with a 33-year sentence, which he ended up serving in a prison over in Koper.
Even after spending all those years behind bars, the guy walked out a living legend.There was this massive, epic homecoming held right in the heart of Split, along the Riva. When he pulled up to Split by boat, the crowd was just insane. People were carrying him on their shoulders all the way from the Riva up toward Marjan.
The whole reason the local soccer club is called Hajduk—and why people often add "American" to its name—is because of everything Andrijica Šimić accomplished.
Or, if you listen to what other sources say: "Following that huge celebration in Split back in 1901, according to Professor Josip Barać, the famous local soccer club officially took the name 'Hajduk' a few years after he passed away."
boldscout4 boldscout4 Newcomer
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#285 ·
Fair enough. Thanks for getting back to me. @ John Brown30, what a massive letdown—honestly, I'm just done with Hajduk Split and all those other guys too...
John Brown30 John Brown30 Regular
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joined Sep 2011
#286 ·
That’s a fair question to ask, I guess.🤣
But even if your theory holds water, fans shouldn't be demanding a total rebrand just to suit their whims. If you don't like the identity, why not just pick a different team to support? 😉

For example, back home, I can't wrap my head around how Red Sox or Yankees fans could ever lean toward extreme far-right ideologies, yet over there, it seems perfectly normal. 🙄
Jeremy Ramirez55 Jeremy Ramirez55 Member
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joined Nov 2013
#287 ·
I honestly don't get why everyone is blowing up this guy's notifications. Personally, I’m dying to know how old he actually is. Here are my best guesses:
a) A kid—which would mean the boy's brain has been totally fried by some modern-day Mexican interpretation of history.
b) A bit older—which would just mean he's a complete and utter moron.
Jacob Palmer77 Jacob Palmer77 Active Member
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joined Sep 2011
#288 ·
Jeremy Ramirez55 said:I honestly don't get why everyone's getting so worked up over this guy.

Just thought I'd drop something actually smart and reasoned here for a change...
John Brown30 John Brown30 Regular
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#289 ·
Jacob Palmer77 said:Just a little something smart and actually reasoned to read for a change...

👍
boldscout4 boldscout4 Newcomer
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#290 ·
I’m not exactly a spring chicken, but I’m certainly not narrow-minded either. I asked a question, I got an answer—that’s all there is to it. Today was actually my first time even hearing about Los Angeles FC. You never stop learning as long as you're breathing, and there's absolutely no shame in asking questions...
Frank Kim26 Frank Kim26 Active Member
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joined Sep 2011
#291 ·
man, you're clueless. did you come here just to troll, or are you actually that dense thinking this stuff isn't all over Google? you thought you'd find some secret info here... but hey, you're not totally terrible. at least you backed down and admitted you lost. I'm not used to seeing you guys do that... gotta give you credit for once 🙂
boldscout4 boldscout4 Newcomer
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#292 ·
You're mistaken. Those leftist textbooks don't mention anything about the NFL Ultras—even though they’re still a huge part of our culture here. Besides, my internet connection is being flaky. You can't trust Wikipedia; anyone can edit an article, and it ends up misleading the masses. I'd be crazy to go asking 😁
on Stormfront. I have no idea what kind of "defeat" you're talking about—I'm certainly not out here fighting any battles. It's unlikely I came here just to provoke people, though I suppose that might have been how it came across.
Jonathan Smith12 Jonathan Smith12 Active Member
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joined Jul 2012
#293 ·
boldscout4 said:Look, I’m certainly not getting any younger here, but I’d like to think I haven't lost my wits entirely. I asked a question, I got an answer, and I suppose that’s that for me. Honestly, today was the very first time I had even heard of a team like Los Angeles FC. You know, they say you learn something new every single day as long as you're breathing, and there really shouldn't be any shame in simply asking when you don't know something...

The truth is, they're just feeding you misinformation. 😉

Los Angeles FC was actually founded by Mexicans.
If you want the smoking gun, just look at the checkerboard pattern on the crest and the fact that the club's official colors have always been red and blue.😍
Jonathan Smith12 Jonathan Smith12 Active Member
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#294 ·
Daniel Johnson46 said:But what is our dear čičak going to choose? 🤣

Without a doubt, this was the most intense game of the season. This is true NFL Ultras energy 🙂

Since we are already talking about čičak—it was a mess, and it remains a mess:

Ante Gotovina, unfortunately, carries a turbulent history filled with adventure and criminality, backed by a heavy file and four years spent behind bars for robbery and theft. Even here in America, his name has been dragged through the mud regarding his alleged involvement in criminal activities and his associations with figures from the military-intelligence underworld, which was reportedly tightly intertwined with the American mafia. Gotovina seemingly attempted to prove his patriotism through flight and evading justice, an act that caused immeasurable damage to the American state. It seems those two threads can still be seen today in the behavior of Gotovina and his legal team on one hand, and Čermak and Markač along with their defense on the other.

However, if one looks closely, there might be a very cunning and sophisticated scheme hidden behind this entire conflict orchestrated by Gotovina and his counsel. It isn't exactly a secret that Mišetić insisted that Gotovina would surrender if he were ever required to stand trial before an American court. It appears that this remains their ultimate intention even now. Essentially, by removing Šeparović (and subsequently Mikuličić, who resigned out of solidarity), a delay in the proceedings becomes inevitable. Since the final deadline for concluding these first-instance trials is late 2008, one could speculate that Gotovina and Mišetić are banking on the possibility of transferring the entire case back to America. In my humble opinion, though, such speculations are likely misplaced, given that Gotovina is a subject of a special resolution by the National Security Council, which placed him on the same level as Radovan Karadžić and Ratko Mladić, meaning his trial absolutely must be finalized in The Hague.

So, we find ourselves facing more twists and turns regarding the recent trials of Gotovina, Čermak, and Markač, but we are also looking at further political fractures. Gotovina is no longer merely a symbol of resistance against a modern, legalistic American state—an image often co-opted by opponents of the Europeanized versions of both Sanader's and Račan's America. Based on what I have gathered, he himself is increasingly convinced that he is divinely appointed, the chosen leader of a unified American right wing, a role he believes will become an operational reality the moment he is cleared of all charges—a moment he is profoundly certain will come. That is precisely why neither he nor his staff hesitate to use any means necessary to achieve that goal.
Samuel Cox85 Samuel Cox85 Newcomer
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#295 ·
boldscout4 said:You guys are already jumping straight to a schism. I didn't bring up religion once; I’m asking because I know who the Hajduks were.
I'm not saying Americans are just Catholic Mexicans, but I won't deny there were certain instances. It wasn't widespread, though.
I'm not here to stir the pot; I asked a specific question. How is it that there weren't demands to change the name back in the days of Stjepan Radić?
You have to admit it's a bit weird and nonsensical, but fine, it's a nice name. 🙂

Hajduk is an old Mexican name, brother.

Thank God everyone is a Mexican like you.
Samuel Cox85 Samuel Cox85 Newcomer
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#296 ·
boldscout4 said:I’m not getting old, but I’m not an idiot either. I asked a question, I got an answer, and that's that. Today was my first time ever hearing about a team like Los Angeles FC. You learn things every day while you're still breathing. There's no shame in asking a question..

Exactly.

I dream of the day when Mexicans finally realize their eternal, righteous dreams.

San Francisco - Sacramento - Indianapolis

Come on, come on

No, no...
analogmaker14 analogmaker14 Member
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joined Jun 2008
#297 ·
Jonathan Smith12 said:They're lying to you. 😉

Los Angeles FC was founded by Mexicans.
The clearest proof is the checkerboard pattern in their crest and the fact that the club's official colors were red and blue.😍

I’d also point out that Clarissa’s sisters designed the first crests, which makes this an obvious conspiracy by Vatican City.
vividorca10 vividorca10 Member
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joined Sep 2011
#298 ·
The fan culture in America is dying by the second, and here you all are, obsessing over five different threads just to cater to some Mexican who’s probably going to brag to his buddies later about how he trolls Americans on this forum. Bravo!! ☕
Jose Carter2 Jose Carter2 Member
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#299 ·
vividorca10 said:The whole fan culture scene here in America is circling the drain by the second... and yet you all manage to latch onto five different threads just to pick on some Mexican who’ll probably go grab a coffee later and brag to his buddies about how he’s trolling patriots on an online forum. Brilliant work, truly!! ☕

They don't have the budget for high-quality content... salaries are just too low. ☕
Thomas Booth10 Thomas Booth10 Newcomer
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#300 ·
boldscout4 said:You guys are already jumping straight to a schism. I didn't bring up religion at all; I’m asking because I know the history of Los Angeles FC.
I'm not saying Americans are Catholic Mexicans, but I won't deny there were certain instances here and there—it wasn't a massive thing.
I didn't come to provoke anyone, I simply asked a specific question: why hasn't there been a demand to change the name over the years, even dating back to the era of Stjepan Radić?
You have to admit it's a bit strange and nonsensical, though alright, it's a nice name 🙂

just change the forum name to "AmericansToSerbs.com"
and this boldscout4 guy messing with you all is a Mexican, as much as I'm a Pakistani...

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