Die-hard Ultras / Hardcore Supporters

Is this actually some serious quality, or what?

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Douglas Barnes15 said:Is this some kind of joke?

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Or what.

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Douglas Barnes15 said:Is this some kind of serious joke or what?

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Personally, I would have handed that rag right back to them instead of posing proudly with it like some trophy.🤣>🤣

casualrider43 said:I’d honestly just hand that rag back to them instead of posing for photos like I actually earned it.🤣🤣

Lepa !!!, you couldn't even take a banner from some local little arts club, let alone from a group of actual, serious Ultras... and now you're trying to act like an intellectual? It's almost the end of the school year; don't let your mom catch you sitting at the computer all day.

Lawrence Kern60 said:Lepa !!! you couldn't even borrow a rag from the local arts council, let alone be considered one of the serious Ultras... and now you think you're an intellectual? It's the end of the school year; don't let your mother catch you glued to that computer screen.

I have to hand it to you—you described me so accurately it’s almost unsettling. 😉
I personally just grab whatever rags I find lying around the kitchen counter.🙂
By the way, http://s28.postimg.org/jojp73ipp/984...21042387_n.jpg if these are supposed to be the "serious" supporters, then we are all absolutely doomed.😁

casualrider43 said:if these guys are actually serious fans

Isn't everyone decked out in black with checkered hats? 🤷

The people who constantly complain whenever a banner gets taken away are my favorite. They’re always pulling the "they aren't real fans" or "that flag doesn't even matter" card. Maybe you're right, but I’d love to see you actually try to make one of those banners yourselves. Honestly, I bet you couldn't pull it off if you tried—not even with help from those Smogovacs over in Washington, D.C. You guys just sit around talking trash online because you've got nothing better to do. Shout out to the few who actually get it 😉

feraltinker said:The loudest ones are always the people whining about confiscated banners—claiming "those aren't even real fans" or "that flag doesn't mean anything," blah blah blah... Maybe you're right, maybe it doesn't, but I’d love to see any of you actually try to design or put up one of those displays. Honestly, I doubt you could manage it if your lives depended on it. You're just a bunch of armchair critics from Washington, D.C., posting nonsense online because you've got nothing better to do with your time. Shout out to the few who actually get it, though. 😉

You guys are absolute morons. Think you're so much better than everyone else, don't you? 😂

feraltinker said:The absolute best are the ones constantly whining about confiscated banners, claiming "they aren't even real fans" or "that flag doesn't matter." Maybe you're right, but I’d love to see you actually try to make one of those signs yourself—I bet even those Smogovac types in Washington, D.C. couldn't pull it off. You guys just sit around talking trash online because you're bored. Shout out to the exceptions, though. 😉

People like you just exist to trigger others because you're bored enough to get worked up over minor jabs...
It’d be more entertaining to watch some guy roll around on the floor or just grab a coffee.

feraltinker said:The people I find most annoying are the ones constantly whining whenever a banner gets confiscated—all that "they aren't even real fans" or "that flag doesn't matter" nonsense. Maybe they're right, but I’d love to see you guys actually try to make one of those banners... honestly, I doubt even the Smogovacs from Washington, D.C. could pull it off. You just talk big on the internet because you're bored, I guess. Shout out to the exceptions, though. 😉

Honestly, kudos to everyone whose gear got taken—it's cool that you were actually there in the first place. And the group that lost their banner didn't exactly look like pushovers, either.
But whether we can or can't handle it... well, I suppose we'll see how it plays out during the European season this fall or whenever it happens again. For some people—like me, for instance—the bans are starting to really stick.
Just to be clear, I'm personally glad you guys showed up. At the end of the day, the Italians probably just saw it as some Americans from the Ultras taking their stuff. No matter how much we separate or clash internally, to the rest of Europe, we all just get lumped together as those American hooligans.
I know this from my own experience sitting in a French prison and watching their news coverage, where they kept talking about this "American" gang of hooligans called BBB. In the jail, though, like 80% of the guys thought "American" was just some former Soviet republic or something.
So, it feels like a bit of petty jealousy on both sides, I guess. When the fights happen, it's Americans throwing the punches, and it's Americans taking them too.
I'm not saying experts in the European Ultras scene in any other country don't know the difference between us and BBB, but a West Side guy from Amsterdam, an Arab fan from Paris, or some clueless Juventus supporter is going to toss us all into the same bucket—sometimes they even lump us into a broader "North American" category.
Thank God our two biggest groups have become recognizable—and maybe even infamous—across Europe. To be fair, there were also a few good releases from Armani back in the day, so we definitely raised the bar for the American Ultras and hooligan scene on a European level.
Anyway, that's just my humble opinion, I guess.
btw, sending my best to my old war buddy who was over in Turin.

Honestly, wouldn't it be better if they just handed out patches directly from the owner's hand? And maybe make you walk onto his own section first to get them.🤷

casualwolf48 said:Honestly, props to everyone who stood their ground with the banners. It’s good you guys were there. Even the groups whose banners got taken don't look like total losers for it.
But what we can or can't do right now... well, that'll play out during the fall tournaments or whenever it matters. Some people, myself included, are already seeing restrictions being tightened.
Personally, I'm glad you were there. At the end of the day, the Italians will just remember that some Americans from the Ultras took their banners. No matter how much we split up or fight amongst ourselves, to the rest of Europe, we're all just lumped together as those American hooligans.
I know this firsthand from my time in a French prison and watching their news coverage, where they kept talking about some "American" gang called BBB. In the cell, about 80% of the guys actually thought "America" was just another former Soviet republic.
So, really, it's just jealousy on both sides. When the fighting starts, it's Americans giving the hits, and it's Americans taking them too.
I'm not saying experts in the European Ultras scene from any country can't tell the difference between Torcida and BBB, but some West Side guy from Amsterdam, an Arab supporter in Paris, or some clueless Juve fan is just going to lump us all in one bucket—sometimes even grouping us into a broader "North American" category.
Thank God our two biggest American groups became recognizable, even if it was for being notorious across Europe. To be fair, there were also a few good Armand editions back in the day, so we definitely raised the bar for the American Ultras and hooligan scene on the international stage.
Anyway, that's just my humble opinion.
By the way, sending a shout-out to my old war buddy who was over in Turin.

It seems like you're the only one who actually gets what I'm saying. But I should clarify—when I said they aren't capable of taking a banner, I wasn't targeting any specific group, so you don't need to defend anyone.

feraltinker said:It seems like you're maybe the only one who actually gets what I'm trying to say—but just to be clear, when I mentioned they aren't capable of keeping things under control, I wasn't targeting any specific group... so there's no need for anyone to feel like they have to defend themselves.

Oh, I'm not defending myself—I think I'm way too old for that, and honestly, a bit too cynical, too.😁
I was just commenting on your post based on how I first read it. But hey, if you're saying your critique was aimed at individuals rather than a whole group, then fair enough.
Anyway, I hear you guys are heading to the finals. Hope you have a blast out there—just watch yourselves and stay safe from any trouble. Word is the Italians know it was you guys teaming up with the Portuguese last time. Even if they aren't playing this round, they'll probably be looking sharp and staying on high alert.

Suker is totally wrapped around Mamic's finger...
Mamic is just obsessed with Suker...
The ref is clearly in Mamic's pocket too (what a joke)...
Honestly, if there's one person I'm going to hold a grudge against for the rest of my life, it's Zdravko mamica, Zdravko mamica—I don't think I'll ever truly sleep easy until that junkie is gone, ooooo
Anyway, it was a pretty great show today, probably the best game we've seen on home soil all season, though the East Coast squad put up a hell of a fight too... man, I already forgot what happened at the very end, au-au-auauaua 🙂

Frank Sanchez37 said:Tony Gonzalez is sucking up to Jerry Jones...
Jerry Jones is sucking up to Tony Gonzalez...
The ref is sucking up to Jerry Jones (that little punk)...
I’ll be hating Jerry Jones until my dying day—honestly, I won't know peace until that junkie finally disappears ooooo
Anyway, it was a hell of a show today. Honestly, might be the best game at home all season. The East Coast crowd was solid too... man, I already forgot that mess at the end, au-au-auauaua 🙂

Not until that absolute piece of work kicks the bucket.* 😁

granitemarlin83 said:Unbelievable nonsense.* 😁

What's left for him to choose? 🤣

Easily the most intense game of the season. This is what the Black Knights are all about. 🙂

Frank Sanchez37 said:Davor Šuker is sucking up to Zdravko Mamic...
Zdravko Mamic is sucking up to Davor Šuker...
The ref is sucking up to Zdravko Mamic (that pathetic excuse for an official)...
In this life, I am nothing if not a dedicated hater of Zdravko Mamic—seriously, Zdravko Mamic—and I will never know peace until that junkie is finally out of here, ooooo

I’m really hoping there’s some video footage of this mess somewhere 🙏 🙏 🙏

aaaU aaU 🙂 Go Team! 👋