Die-hard Ultras / Hardcore Supporters

cosmicdrifter44 said:die-hard fans who won't back down—even if they shut us down entirely...

If you’re asking me—though I doubt anyone really wants my two cents—we probably would've stayed in a state of truce. But honestly, there's no point in making a massive scene about it, because let's face it, the peace was always destined to break. It couldn't have lasted forever. In fact, this whole thing was pretty much predictable—most people were just happy once those vouchers were scrapped, and that was basically the end of that chapter.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Scih3oW8e4A

Kevin Evans3 said:"Great catch," but I have a feeling this whole thing is going to grab the attention of some kids looking for a little adventure—we'll probably see some fresh faces in the stands, which, I guess, comes with its own set of pros and cons. 😁 The main thing is getting more young energy in the mix; these groups can't just survive on old glory days forever. We need the kids if we want to stay relevant, though the veterans are fine too, I suppose, but everyone needs new blood to actually keep things moving. 🙂 Without these kinds of stunts, there’s just no interest—or at least, interest drops compared to when stuff like this happens. Everyone wants to be the bad guy, and honestly, that’s what draws people to the stands. That sense of repression, that life-or-death struggle... without it, our world feels pretty dull and lacking in adrenaline, and adrenaline is basically what makes a fan a fan. So, yeah, fighting the mob is one thing, but we can't ignore who we are—conflicts are just part of the lifestyle, and when two groups cross paths, things are bound to get messy, and they probably should. Maybe the truce would have been better if it had lasted longer, but hey, it's over now, no huge tragedy, life goes on. Our fight continues despite all the bans and hurdles, and the fans will come out stronger once this is all over. And that’s really the only thing that matters, aside from the fact that the American police force is full of bribes and corruption. And obviously, screw Mamić. 🙂

this was written from the Split Police Department

I honestly can't quite wrap my head around why everyone is acting so shocked by this,
because, really, what else are two groups of die-hard Raiders fans supposed to do when they cross paths on the interstate? Are we seriously expected to believe they’re going to sit there and have a polite little debate about inflation rates or the rising cost of gas at the Shell station?🤷

Jonathan Smith12 said:I honestly don't get why everyone is acting so shocked.
What are two rival fan groups actually going to do if they run into each other on the highway? Sit there and debate the cost of living and gas prices? Please. Give me a break.🤷

Honestly, that’s still a better plan than wandering around looking for some random metal rod. At least with a heavy rock or a sturdy enough branch, you know exactly what you're working with.🙂

analogheron19 said:It’s honestly better than wasting time hunting for some random metal rod when you could just grab a rock or a sturdy enough branch.🙂

Look, Prika, we’ve all gotten older and I agree with you, but I also have these vivid memories of those intense debates with Tobon and your crew back in the nineties—when we used every argument in the book just to prove a point. It was pure madness.

It’s honestly a blessing they didn't run into each other right by the tracks, because if they had, we probably would have been looking at a hundred people seriously injured.
I mean, look, you have to let loose and have some fun once in a while, but there really ought to be some limits to that madness, otherwise you just end up with a couple of people permanently disabled after the whole thing is over.

Jonathan Smith12 said:I don't understand why everyone is so surprised,
as what are two rival fan groups going to do when they cross paths on the highway?, just sit there and debate fuel prices and economic standards...🤷

It's highly unlikely they just happened to run into each other on the interstate, especially since they were traveling in opposite directions. This looks more like a coordinated ambush by a larger group of fans who intentionally veered away from their own team's game to intercept the other side.
Did all the fans taken into custody receive stadium bans?

Richard Rogers38 said:There is no way they just happened to cross paths on the interstate, especially since they were heading in completely different directions. It’s obvious this was a coordinated ambush by a larger group of fans who intentionally headed toward the opposite direction of where their team was actually playing.
Did every single one of the fans taken into custody get hit with a stadium ban?

Stop bullshitting when you clearly don't have a clue what you're talking about.

analogheron19 said:Honestly, I’d much rather deal with this than go out there hunting for some random metal rod, though I suppose if I had to, I'd just be looking for a solid stone or perhaps a branch that was sufficiently long and sturdy enough to get the job done.🙂

I honestly feel like we’ve completely missed the mark here, because I don't think the core of this debate was actually about that specific point; rather, my sense is that everyone is fixating on why this is all surfacing right at this exact moment, especially given everything involving Jerry Jones and how he's been handling things lately...
I was just sitting here reflecting on whether we’re actually going to see the end of the Jerry Jones era, and honestly, if he finally decides to step down, I have this nagging, somewhat irrational feeling that the chaos might finally settle. It feels like the days of those intense, heated confrontations between the most active groups of supporters—you know, the ones always looking for a fight—might finally be behind us once that specific tension is removed from the equation.

I have to say, when it comes to the whole "stones, sticks, and clubs" argument, I think you’ve hit the nail on the head, truly—you’re absolutely right about that. But honestly, I can't help but feel a nagging sense of doubt regarding the target itself; I find myself constantly wondering how things would actually play out in the heat of the moment, especially if we found ourselves facing a massive, overwhelming majority during a real crisis. It’s one thing to talk about it, but quite another to imagine how everyone would behave when the pressure is truly on.🤷

Austin Watson38 said:Look, man, we’ve both aged, and I agree with you there, but we also had those legendary nights hanging out with you and your crew back in the nineties. We used to talk about everything under the sun. Just pure, reckless youth.

I'm not saying things weren't crazy back then, but I can say with total certainty that I never once swung a bat, a flare, or a torch at anyone. I never smashed up a car or anything like that.
Just like Zachary Sullivan2 said, the absolute peak of my life was getting high and just losing myself in the music. And even if I did that without ever needing to get violent—which was usually the case, maybe with a little help from a friend—honestly, nobody was ever happier.🤷

just a seat at the water polo game😁

Anthony Barrett37 said:and a water polo bench 😁

That’s different. That falls under the stuff I was talking about in my other thread.😉

Anthony Barrett37 said:and water polo is basically just sitting in a chair 😁

The Great Gatsby?
Getting into scraps with neighbors isn't even the same ballgame.
I mean, back in Chicago, I think that was the one and only time in my life I actually swung someone with a bottle.☕

Look, I’m telling you, that’s a whole different story. Back in the day, during the war, I’ve thrown everything from chairs to bottles at people, and honestly? I wouldn't think twice about doing it again if I had to.😁

reddrifter24 said:this was typed up at the LAPD headquarters

Look, this is coming straight from my own brain—and if you’ve got some kind of beef with me, we can always settle things in a field somewhere so you can see for yourself that I'm not some shady character. 😍

analogheron19 said:It’s better than hunting around for some random metal bar. At least with a rock or a sturdy enough branch, you know exactly what you’re working with.🙂

I completely agree... but why didn't you say this after we left the station? I think it’s high time we all realized that getting caught up in these endless, petty arguments over nothing is a waste of breath. At the end of the day, we're all in the same boat, so there's really no point in pointing fingers at us for things your own group is responsible for. As they say, you should probably clean up your own backyard before you start lecturing everyone else.

cosmicridge6 said:I mean, I totally agree with you... but why didn't you say this right after things went south at the stadium? Honestly, maybe it's time someone gave us all a reality check and told us to stop acting like total hooligans. At the end of the day, we’re all cut from the same cloth, so there’s really no point in pointing fingers at our side for stuff that you and your crew are out there doing too. It's like they say: clean up your own backyard before you start judging everyone else's.

Oh, really? Don't be lazy. Go back and actually read what I wrote back then.☕

cosmicridge6 said:Grand Central Station?

Please, spare us the nonsense. Some overzealous kid is bound to read this and think you actually have a point. Then we'll never hear the end of these endless, mindless debates about rocks. 🤷

Jonathan Smith12 said:You're right about the rocks and sticks, but I wouldn't bet on them. If things actually get heated, how would a small group even hold their own against a massive crowd? 🤷

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Back in the 90s in Chicago, we were always outnumbered too, usually showing up with fireworks and stuff. But that's when they really learned what we were capable of. 😍