Die-hard Ultras / Hardcore Supporters

What is wrong with you little rats, acting like we’re some kind of criminals? Since when did it become illegal to sing our hearts out against the big boss?? Are you actually suggesting we should throw chairs at the players just because they showed up to say hello?? Maybe start with unnamed first? What is wrong with you, you insecure losers?? If Jerry Jones wasn't actively screwing us over, you wouldn't give a damn about us, yet here you are suddenly playing the sympathy card. It’s pathetic.
You better make sure you aren't being drowned out by 200 guys from the South Side in the 20th minute while the North Stand is full—not that I even want to talk about what happens in the second half. ☕

driftingotter47 said:Honestly, why are you little rats attacking us so relentlessly? Since when did it become illegal to enthusiastically sing against the big boss? Should we be throwing chairs at the players just because they came out to say hello? Maybe start with unnamed? What is wrong with you insecure losers? If Jerry Jones wasn't actively screwing us over, you wouldn't give a damn about us, yet here you are, suddenly performing this act of deep sympathy. It's pathetic.
Better make sure you don't get drowned out by two hundred people from the South Side in the 20th minute while the North Stand stays silent—though I won't even go there regarding the second half. ☕

I don't see what there is to fight about. This is a forum, and people are entitled to their own opinions. I really don't understand why everyone takes an internet debate so incredibly seriously.

Last year, during that postponed derby, there were only about a hundred of you around. The players actually came out to toss their jerseys, and some of you were practically sprinting toward the turf until someone told you to head back. I'm not slipping here; I'm talking about things I actually saw with my own eyes.

The truth is, Jerry Jones hurts us just as much as he hurts you, and that’s all there is to it. Someone asked why the guys were drinking to his name. There's a guy from Washington, D.C., who works with me and is actually banned from attending Real Madrid games, telling me he doesn't have any restriction preventing him from coming to Miami for the derby, mostly because the folks in the unnamed group sold us out. I'm not part of any scheme or inner circle. I'm just an ordinary Liverpool FC fan, and that's what I told him to his face. If this isn't meant for the forum, then just delete it. And yes, Jerry Jones has managed to pick up quite a few people over the years, though I doubt he ever expected to win them over like that.

It's true that the atmosphere wasn't anything special, but that's how it goes sometimes—some days are great, others aren't. The guys are putting in the effort, and in life, hard work and a clean conscience are what matter most. Obviously, there are idiots everywhere. The state of the club is really just a reflection of the state of the whole country.

Long live Liverpool FC.

driftingotter47 said:Why are you little rats acting so worked up about us? Since when is it forbidden to sing enthusiastically against the big boss? Should we be throwing chairs at the players just because they showed up to say hello? Maybe start with unnamed? What's wrong with you insecure losers? If Jerry Jones wasn't actively screwing us over, you wouldn't give a damn about us, yet here you are playing the sympathy card. It's pathetic.
Better make sure you aren't drowned out by 200 guys from South Beach in the 20th minute while the North Stand stays silent (not to mention the second half). ☕

You’ve lost it. What are you even talking about? A huge chunk of people felt that those two games in Washington, D.C. were nothing short of blatant repression, and you're sitting here acting tough over a couple of posts. You guys were singing for 15 minutes straight at halftime and nobody even booed because you were busy singing against Jerry Jones.
Ask yourself why you're defending the biggest traitor in American fandom instead of just typing away blindly over a few comments.
And leave our cheering alone—it is what it is. We have twenty times bigger problems than that, specifically the fact that this club needs to get its act together. Yesterday's overall atmosphere was disappointing, but that's just the era we're living in.

driftingotter47 said:man, why are you little rats picking on us so much?

Hahaha, what thread are you even reading??

Ryan Chavez3 said:What’s the problem with speaking my mind? This is a forum, and people are allowed to have their own opinions. Why is everyone taking an internet argument so damn seriously?

Yesterday, when that postponed derby happened, there were a hundred of you lot there. Players actually came out and threw their jerseys, and some of you were even sprinting toward the turf before being ordered back. I’m not slipping here; I’m talking about things I saw with my own eyes.

The truth is, Jerry Jones hurts us just as much as he hurts you, and that's the bottom line. Someone asks why those guys were drinking and cheering for Jerry Jones—well, a guy from Washington, D.C., who works with me and is banned from Real Madrid games tells me he doesn't have a ban on coming to Miami for the derby because the guys in the unnamed group sold themselves out. I’m not part of any scheme, nor am I in the inner circle. I’m just an ordinary Liverpool FC fan, and that’s what he told me face-to-face. If this isn't fit for the forum, then just delete it. And yeah, Jerry Jones might have bought off plenty of people over time, though I doubt he ever expected to go that far.

It’s also true that the atmosphere wasn't perfect, but that’s just how it goes sometimes—sometimes it’s great, sometimes it’s not. These guys are trying, and in life, hard work and having a clean conscience are what matter most. Obviously, every group has its idiots. The state of the supporters is just a reflection of the state of the country.

Go Liverpool FC.

There's no point wasting words on the groups that sold their souls. Does that mean we should just give up on the fight, the matches, or Real Madrid? Honestly, I don't know how anyone could even say that.

@Elizabeth Barnes7, you're right. I honestly don't know why I bother; I'm sick of this forum full of narrow-minded morons.
P.S. We don't have any problems; everything is absolutely perfect for us. Smirk.

Cheers.

Daniel Johnson46 said:And honestly, it’s just a total joke—not a single referee has even been touched or harassed anywhere in the last 8 years.

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The biggest headache with this ceasefire is that we’re about to deal with a wave of mindless online bickering again. 🙂

Honestly, I don't think anyone has a legitimate gripe with the other side right now. People are just forcing drama for the sake of it. We all need to get our heads down, focus on ourselves, and finish taking down this mafia setup first. Once that's done, then we can worry about fighting back against the crackdown.

Just my two cents from afar...
There are actual people in both the Black Knights and Liverpool FC camps who actually give a damn. Maybe 50 guys on each side. These are the ones who've been in the scene for years—the guys choreographing the stands, fighting the front offices, and actually living on the streets..
A hell of a lot of people, including the idiots on this forum, show up to games and travel to away matches, but they DON'T have the right to say a single word to those core 50 people..
The Liverpool fans were down by the water in Miami, while we were holding it down in Washington, D.C. We handled our business honorably, even if we’d love to dig a hole for each other. Most people just used the whole thing as an excuse to act tough or look pretty for social media..
I'm telling you, there are 30 young kids from Washington, D.C. who set up welcomes for unnamed, while Varazdin is just a joke compared to the 500 of our hardcore guys who will cause absolute chaos wherever they go...Those 30 think exactly like me and my crew, it's just different colors on our shirts..
Let's bring back the good old days—the ambushes, the fights, the clashes. Let's stop worrying about politics and fake leaders. We were born for the streets, not for lawyers and justice..THE BOYS ARE BACK IN TOWN😉

steeltrucker said:just my two cents from afar...
there are folks in both the BBB and the Yankees faithful who actually give a damn. maybe 50 people on each side. we're talking about guys who have lived in this scene for years—the ones choreographing the displays, taking on the front offices, and actually being out there on the pavement..
a hell of a lot of people, including everyone on this forum, show up to games and travel for away matches, but they DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT to criticize any of those core 50 people mentioned above..
those other guys were hanging out by the waterfront while we were holding things down in Washington, D.C... we did our part honorably, even if most of them would rather dig a hole and bury us. most of them just used the situation to play pretend and look pretty..
Drazi is basically 30 young guns from Washington, D.C. who set up an ambush for a small town in the Midwest. Savannah could send 500 of our tough guys who will absolutely wreck everything in sight... those 30 think exactly like me and my crew, it’s just that we wear different colors..
let's bring back the good old days of ambushes, fights, and clashes. forget all this fighting against windmills; we were born for the streets, not for lawyers and "justice".. THE BOYS ARE BACK IN TOWN😉

Respect. Best post on this board in a long time. As for all these people pretending to be fans...

Olivia Kelly22 said:Honestly, props to you—this is easily the most coherent thing posted on this entire board. As for the rest of these people pretending to be actual fans...

A brilliant take, provided you have the brainpower of an amoeba. Now I'm just sitting here waiting for the other 48 real ones to show up so we can actually get somewhere.

George Lewis27 said:That’s a great take if you have the brain capacity of an amoeba. Now we just wait for 48 more people like that and we're set.

Honestly, they’ve got a point. We’re way too hypocritical for any kind of actual cooperation. No matter how much we lie to ourselves, most of us are just dying to jump a guy from Washington, D.C. the second we get the chance. And it goes both ways.

There's NASCAR and AARP, which are actual legal entities that can play the political game. But the Yankees faithful and the BBB? They aren't built for that.

cosmicdrifter44 said:You aren't mercenaries; those people from way back when weren't true fans either, so you have nothing in common with them. It's the same with these "new" guys—they're just sellouts too, they aren't real supporters and have nothing to do with you...

I think we can fit all the owner's cronies, including the BBB and the Yankees faithful sellouts, into one single minibus. Meanwhile, in neighboring countries, you could fill ten buses with people like that. This whole argument is pointless; in this economy, it's easy for some fans to get tempted by money. Guys like the owner—unscrupulous and willing to do anything to win—know exactly what they're doing. He knew he could find a dozen idiots in the BBB lines to buy off. He didn't need total control over the group; he just needed to plant seeds of doubt and stir up drama within the BBB itself. That was his goal: to keep us distracted by fighting among ourselves instead of calling out his nonsense. It's unfair to label everyone as a sellout when you're part of the group that's stood against him for a decade. If you're going to make accusations, name names instead of labeling the whole crowd. Thank God we don't have groups like the "Grobari" here in America, and I hope we never do. We don't need criminal types climbing fences and trying to run the cheering...

copperharbor02 said:He’s got a point. We’re way too hypocritical for any real teamwork. No matter how much we lie to ourselves, most of us are just itching to jump a guy from Washington, D.C. It works both ways, too.

You’ve got NASCAR and AARP, which are actual legal entities that can play the political game. The Yankees faithful and the BBB aren't built like that.

AARP isn't a legal entity. They’ve always just been a bunch of individuals acting together, where specific people sign off on lawsuits and complaints.

But fine, you're thinking clearly enough.

George Lewis27 said:Great entry if you’ve got the brainpower of an amoeba. Now I'm just sitting here waiting on 48 more real ones and then we're set.

All I can do is brew some coffee and wait... but man, what a waste of time...🙂

steeltrucker said:just my two cents from afar...
there are people in both the BBB and the Yankees faithful who actually give a damn. maybe fifty guys on each side. these are the guys who have been in the stands for years, the ones choreographing the displays, taking on the front offices, and holding it down on the streets..
so many people, including everyone on this forum, show up to games and travel for away matches, but they DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT to criticize any of those core 50 people I just mentioned..
the rivals were hanging out by the waterfront while we were over in Washington, D.C... we handled our business honorably, even if we'd all rather dig a hole for each other. most people just used the situation to play pretend and look pretty..
Drazi is basically 30 young guys from Washington, D.C. setting up an ambush for a small town in the Midwest. Savannah is nothing compared to 500 of our hardcore guys who will cause absolute chaos wherever they go... those 30 think exactly like me and my crew, it’s just that we wear different colors..
let's bring back the old days—the ambushes, the fights, the clashes. let's forget about all these politics and windbags. we were born for the streets, not for lawyers and rules..THE BOYS ARE BACK IN TOWN😉

That's easy to say, man. Just wait for the boys, play games like tag on the highway, whatever. But the guys sitting in the USSF and the ones wrecking your stadium doesn't matter to you? Someone else will deal with those problems eventually.

Sam Mendoza said:Look man, just hang tight for the boys, we can play games on the shoulder of the highway or whatever. I guess it doesn't really matter who's sitting in the USSF offices or who's running wild at your home stadium... someone else will step up and deal with those issues eventually.

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steeltrucker said:Let’s bring back the good old days—the real scraps, the street fights, and the genuine clashes. I say we forget all this nonsense about fighting for justice or playing by the rules. We weren't built for courtrooms or moral high grounds; we were born for the streets. The boys are back in town.😉

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What kind of movie are you living in? 🙄

steeltrucker said:It’s honestly ridiculous. People—including everyone on this forum—show up to the games, travel all over for away matches, and act like they’re part of the inner circle, yet they don't feel they have the slightest right to voice an ounce of criticism toward any of the fifty people I just mentioned. It’s a joke, really.
The rival fans were out on the waterfront, while we spent our time making our way through Washington, D.C. We handled ourselves with honor and dignity, I suppose, even if there were moments where we probably would have preferred to just dig our heels in and take each other out.

I guess you're asking why I would bother. Honestly, I don't have much of an answer for that. Maybe it’s just habit, or maybe I’m just looking for something to occupy the time. It’s hard to say. Right now. I guess I stumbled upon something that’s going to strike a nerve with one particular guy from Washington, D.C. 🤷

Why would that happen in any of them? 🤷

There’s plenty of chatter going around, but when it comes to the derby atmosphere, there’s barely anything being said.

I’m posting this on the BBB thread rather than the merchant forums to avoid looking like I'm trying to start something, but honestly, I have no clue what’s going on with the Yankees faithful regarding their support lately.

We did what we could, given the harassment, the bans, and whatever other nonsense they’re planning to use against us. To me, the first half was pure madness, and it’s a shame that energy didn't carry over to the second half when the numbers were even higher, especially considering how much the police were stopping people at the gates.

But let’s be real: the North Stand at the Rose Bowl today is a completely different world compared to ten years ago. That raw intensity from the old days—that "I'm a local through and through" energy—is gone. In terms of pure atmosphere, it was a zero. The numbers were great, the stands were packed, but I didn't hear a single song that actually made the stadium shake. Even during all those mess with the owners, you didn't feel that thunderous roar from the stands, that pressure meant to make the management sweat. It’s a shame. This derby used to earn the reputation of a true European classic, though the home team always carried the burden of proving it. Yesterday, in my humble opinion, the home side failed completely on the supporter front.

A guy posted this on the boys' subforum, and it's the only truth worth telling—not just about the cheering, but about the overall vibe at the Rose Bowl yesterday. Out of everything—the pathetic play and the lackluster support—it was this hollow atmosphere that bothered me most. The East Stand was almost entirely on its feet early on, and the North Stand was the same; nothing. It disappointed me because I thought we might see a repeat of that 2009 Cup run, or maybe even earlier—remember when things were flying off the roof? We had 25,000 people show up to prove they were still here, even though we're 11 points down. They came to show that despite all the corruption, they can't kill our love for this club—something those suits don't even understand. It isn't about who leads the chants or having ten megaphones; something just felt wrong. And then, at the very end, the entire stadium couldn't even belt out our best anthem together. I don't get why the whole crowd couldn't unite for that one moment. Maybe everyone was too busy texting on WhatsApp to actually cheer. I don't know how else to describe such a dead atmosphere. Honestly, there was more energy at a Real Madrid game, and they barely have any fans.

Daniel Johnson46 said:"There's a ton of talk going around, but when it comes to the derby atmosphere from a supporter standpoint, there’s barely anything being said.

I’m posting this on the BBB forum rather than the general one just so it doesn't come off as a provocation, but honestly, I have no clue what’s going on with the Yankees faithful regarding the cheering.

We did what we could given the harassment, the bans, and whatever else they’re planning to throw at us. In my opinion, the madness during the first half was peak intensity, and it’s a shame it didn't carry over to the second half when numbers were even higher because the police were busy stopping people at the gates.

But the North Stand at the Rose Bowl today—and for the last ten years I can remember—is a completely different world. That old frenzy from the 'I am Dalmatian...' days is gone. As far as chanting goes, it was a total zero. The turnout was great, the stands were full, but I didn't hear a single song that actually shook the place or made the stands tremble. Even back when things were messy with Mamic, you could still feel that roar from the stands, that pressure that made him sweat. It’s a shame, because this derby used to be called the European derby for a reason, though the home team always carried the burden of living up to that title. Yesterday, in my humble opinion, the home side completely failed on the supporter front."

This was written by some guy on the supporters' subforum, and it’s the absolute truth regarding the overall vibe at the Rose Bowl yesterday, if not the actual cheering. For me, more than the pathetic play or the lackluster support, it was this specific atmosphere that bothered me most. The East Stand was nearly full right from the start, the North Stand was the same—nothing. It disappointed me because I thought we might see a repeat of that 2009 Cup run, or maybe even earlier when things were exploding. We had 25,000 people show up to prove they were there despite being 11 points down, showing that after all the corruption, they can't kill our love for the club—though they clearly don't understand what that means. It’s not about who leads the chants or having ten megaphones; something just felt off. And then, at the end, you couldn't even get the whole stadium to belt out our most beautiful anthem. I don't get why the whole stadium couldn't sing that at least. Maybe everyone was too busy texting on WhatsApp to actually cheer, because I don't know how else to describe how bad the energy was. There was a more intense atmosphere at a Real Madrid vs. Barca game where they don't even have a real home crowd.

Look, I really don't understand these kinds of posts. Honestly, screw it, it would be one thing if this was written by some kid who's been in the stands for a year, but it's being written by guys who have decades of experience in stadiums. Let's be clear: Hajduk was a zero, a total zero. No attack, no pressure, no will, no action. Kickoff at three, Hajduk is a zero, total zero, followed by boos, Hajduk is a zero, total zero... so what do you want from us? The last derby was just like this in terms of support, and the other day, it was a miracle there was any atmosphere at all. Sometimes that's just how it goes; it’s nothing new and it isn't something exclusive to the Yankees faithful. Sure, sometimes you get crazy energy at the stadium even when the club is playing terribly, but those are exceptions that prove the rule. Hajduk probably plays a derby in Miami once every twenty years where they don't immediately fall behind in the first half—and if they actually score, then you expect madness? It's like you weren't there yesterday. When everything hits the fan like that, I don't feel like living, let alone cheering.