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Support for families dealing with cancer and other serious illnesses (Part II)

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Terry Lopez18 Terry Lopez18 Member
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joined Nov 2017
#1901 ·
I think the absolute worst part is that moment when Dad ends up in the ER, and I open his door not knowing what kind of scene I’m about to walk into.
Every single time, I try to hold onto the memory of how he used to be, but whenever I face him, he’s just a weaker version—a more immobile, much sicker version of my Dad.

Yesterday, they barely let me into the hospital because there's a flu outbreak going around and they aren't allowing visitors, but I managed to slip in for just a second. He was lying there looking completely frazzled, head slumped to one side, totally silent; he just stared at me, and even his eyes looked exhausted.

They told me to call the doctor tomorrow, but my stomach knots up every time I think about it. I’m terrified they’ll tell me he didn't make it through the night.

I know he’s suffering, and seeing him like this is gut-wrenching, but letting go is so incredibly hard. Even in this state, he’s alive, he’s here, and he still recognizes me. Every time I give him those herbal supplements I mix up, he opens his mouth and takes them. To me, that feels like a sign—like he still wants to fight.

But honestly, the hardest part isn't the illness; it's the people who only know how to ask "How are you doing?" or "Are you sad?"
I know they mean well, truly, but I am just so tired of answering those questions. Am I sad? If only it were that simple. Some moments I’m grieving, other times I’m furious, bitter, or utterly desperate. There are moments where I feel nothing at all, and then the guilt hits me because I find myself wishing it would just end. Sometimes I feel like I could dance, sometimes I feel like I'm dying, sometimes I feel like this whole nightmare is just a dream. I wake up in a cold sweat in the middle of the night, sometimes I dream of him smiling and happy, sometimes I just want to give up, only to find the strength to keep going again.

Maybe I'll finally be able to process all of this when someone else asks how I'm doing for the hundredth time.
Angela Wright Angela Wright RegularOP
731 messages
joined Feb 2007
#1902 ·
Grace Ross20 said:I think the absolute worst part is that moment when Dad ends up in the ER, and I open his door not knowing what kind of sight I’m about to walk into.
Every time, I try to hold onto the memory of him as he used to be, but the man sitting in front of me is always a weaker version, a more immobile version, a sicker version of my Dad.

Yesterday, they barely let me into the hospital because there's a flu outbreak and nobody's allowed in, but I managed to slip in for a second. He just lay there looking completely spent, head slumped to one side, totally silent—just watching me, with eyes that looked exhausted.

They told me to call the doctor tomorrow, but my stomach knots up every single time. I'm terrified they'll tell me he didn't make it through the night.

I know he's suffering, and seeing him like this is gut-wrenching, but it's so hard to let go. Even like this, he's alive, he's here, he recognizes me. Every time I give him those herbal supplements I mix up, he opens his mouth and takes them. To me, that feels like a sign that he still wants to fight.

The hardest part of all is dealing with people who only ever ask how I am or if I'm sad.
I know they don't mean anything by it, but I honestly can't face those questions anymore. Am I sad? If only it were that simple. Some days I'm grieving, some days I'm furious, some days I'm bitter, desperate, or just completely numb. Sometimes I find myself wishing it would just end, and then the guilt hits me like a ton of bricks. Sometimes I feel like dancing, sometimes I feel like dying, sometimes I think this is all just a bad dream. I wake up in a cold sweat in the middle of the night, sometimes dreaming of him smiling and happy, sometimes giving up entirely only to find the strength to keep going again.

Maybe I'll finally process it all when someone else asks how I'm doing for the thousandth time.

I know exactly how you feel. When I was going through my own hell, people I thought were my best friends completely ghosted me. Not one of them called to check in, or even showed up just to sit with me at a local pub for half an hour to talk about nothing.
My dog was the only thing that helped me. I had to force myself to take him out three times a day for fifteen minutes just to get some air, and it forced me to shift my focus. He was always just *there*, being quiet.

And please, do not beat yourself up for wishing for his death. There isn't a greater expression of pure love than when you set aside your own selfish human instinct—the instinct that wants everyone you love to stay healthy and happy forever—and instead wish for them to find peace, because that's the only kind of peace left for them.
I hope you find the strength to stay by his side until the very end. He needs you right now. Be there, tell him everything will be okay, and eventually, give him permission to let go. Tell him that if he can't do this anymore, whatever he decides is fine, that everyone is going to be okay, that it's all okay. Tell him he did everything right and that he is loved.
When you feel that moment coming, say it to him. You'll break down afterward, but you'll have this incredible sense of peace once it's done. That is the best advice I can possibly give you.
Hang in there and believe me: you have a reservoir of strength inside you that you don't even realize exists yet.
Rachel Williams Rachel Williams Member
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joined Apr 2017
#1903 ·
Grace Ross20 said:The absolute worst part is dealing with people who only know how to ask if I'm okay, or if I'm sad.
I know they don't mean any harm, but I just don't have the energy to answer those questions anymore. Am I sad? If only it were that simple. Some days I'm sad, some days I'm furious, some days I'm bitter, desperate, or just completely numb. Sometimes I find myself wishing he would just pass away, and then the guilt hits me like a freight train. Other times I feel like dancing, other times I feel like dying, sometimes I wonder if this whole thing is just a dream. I wake up in a cold sweat in the middle of the night; sometimes I dream of him smiling and happy; sometimes I give up, only to find the strength to keep going again.

Maybe I'll finally process all of this when someone else happens to ask how I am.


Angela Wright said:I know exactly how you feel. When I was dealing with my 2.5g, the people I thought were my closest friends completely avoided me. No one ever called just to check in, and no one would even drop by for half an hour at a local pub just to sit and talk about nothing.
My dog was my biggest support. I had to take him out three times for fifteen minutes a day just to get things done, which forced me to redirect my focus. He was always there, just being silent.

And don't beat yourself up for wishing he would pass. There isn't a greater expression of pure love than when you set aside your own selfish humanity and wish that everyone you love stays healthy and happy forever—wishing for that kind of peace because it’s the only kind left.
I want you to be able to stay by his side until the end. He needs you. Be there for him, tell him everything will be alright, and let go. Tell him if he can't do this anymore, whatever he decides is fine, that everyone will be okay, that it's all okay. Tell him he did everything right and that he is loved.
When you feel that moment coming, say it to him. You'll break apart later, but afterward, you will feel a profound sense of peace. That is the best advice I can offer.
Hang in there and believe me, you carry a strength inside you that you aren't even aware of yet.


+1, I know that feeling all too well. It's been two years and seven months for us now, living from one checkup to the next every three weeks, waiting for the next CT scan or scintigraphy once a year... bad results throw us a step back, a good result lifts us up slightly, and we just go in circles...

That entire web of shifting emotions is something you just can't grasp unless you've lived through it with your inner circle... everyone from my mom's side is gone except for one colleague from work. For someone like me, who used to be so social and the person everyone relied on, I realized at my own wedding of 200 people that I really only had five true friends (plus ten family members; everyone else was just there because of their spouses). But through all of this, I see who the genuine people are—those who actually care. I'm grateful for that. There have been far more disappointments in people, but those unexpected moments of kindness from people I never expected anything from... they lift me up.
Asking if I'm "sad" or if things are "hard" barely scratches the surface of what I'm feeling. My husband keeps telling me he doesn't understand where I get the strength to answer everyone's questions so concisely and with a smile, but the truth is, I simply can't let anyone close enough to see the "weakness" inside me anymore...

When you're sitting there with Dad, talk to him about the things that actually bring you joy—the stuff that truly matters to you. I'm certain it means the world to him just to see that you still have something positive to hold onto in this life. Tell him you love him. Give him that sense of peace, knowing that you’re going to be okay. If he can still fight, let him fight; but if he can't... then let him go. Just so he doesn't have to suffer anymore.
Terry Lopez18 Terry Lopez18 Member
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joined Nov 2017
#1904 ·
Thank you all so much; these words truly mean more to me than many of the things I've heard in person. 🙂
Rachel Wood27 Rachel Wood27 Member
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joined Feb 2014
#1905 ·
Grace Ross20 said:I think the absolute worst part is those moments when Dad ends up in the ER, and I open his door not knowing what kind of sight I’m about to walk into.
Every time I see him, I try to hold onto the memory of how he used to be, but the reality waiting for me is always a weaker version of him—more immobile, more frail, just... sicker.

Yesterday, they barely let me into the hospital because there's a flu outbreak going around and they're restricting visitors, but I managed to slip in for a second. He just lay there looking completely washed out, head slumped to one side, totally silent. He just watched me with these eyes that looked utterly exhausted.

They told me to call the doctor tomorrow, but honestly, my stomach just knots up every single time. I’m terrified they’ll tell me he didn't make it through the night.

I know he’s suffering—it’s brutal seeing him like this—but it’s so hard to let go. Even in this state, he’s alive, he’s here, he still recognizes me. Every time I give him those herbal supplements I mix up, he opens his mouth and takes them. To me, that feels like some small sign that he still wants to fight.

And the absolute worst part? People who only know how to ask "How are you?" or "Are you sad?"
I know they don't mean anything by it, but I am so done answering those questions. Am I sad? Man, if only it were that simple. Some days I'm sad, some days I'm furious, some days I'm bitter, desperate, or just completely numb. Sometimes I even feel this wave of indifference where I just want it all to be over, and then the guilt hits me like a freight train. Some days I feel like I can dance, other days I just want to die. Sometimes I think it's all a dream; other days I wake up in a cold sweat in the middle of the night. Sometimes I dream of him smiling and happy, sometimes I just give up, then I find the strength again.

Maybe I'll finally process all this when someone else asks me how I am for the thousandth time.

You described exactly how I felt during Dad's two-and-a-half-year battle. It's a feeling that still hits me today, even though it's been a year and a half since we lost him.

And you can't explain it to anyone—you really can't. You can't explain what it's like to live life one hour at a time, or the sheer dread of leaving Dad at the ER and waiting for a phone call from someone with news you're terrified to hear.

The last time an ambulance was transporting my dad to the hospital (since there wasn't an emergency crew available), I was right there with him, holding his hand while he drifted in and out. When we had to leave him that afternoon to head home, he gave me this look from that hospital bed—this look full of sadness and fear that he might never see us again. I felt it so deeply in that moment as I walked out of the room. And he didn't. He never did. 😢

That gut-wrenching fear when you call his cell in the morning and he doesn't pick up, and you try to tell yourself his phone is just too far away or he can't reach it, but deep down you already know... and then comes the call from the hospital.
It is the absolute worst feeling imaginable.

Even now, I regret that we were alone—that none of us were by his side in the hospital. Regardless of what he was fighting, with my dad, it happened so suddenly, in just a few hours. We weren't expecting it, but the guilt still eats at me to this day.

I've learned to just tune out the "how are you" questions and the people telling me "everything will be okay" while he was still sick. They just don't get it. People who haven't been in those shoes simply don't understand.

They say time heals all wounds, but if you ask me, it just covers them up. Not a single day goes by where I don't think about my dad.
Life moves on, and I move on too—I enjoy things, I make plans, I do everything I did before—but he's always there, every single day. Every once in a while, that final day rushes back to me, that look he gave me, and the tears just start flowing, just like they did when I was reading your post. I think it'll be this way for the rest of my life, but I guess you eventually just get used to the weight of it.

Hang in there and stay strong 🙂
placidcobra7 placidcobra7 Newcomer
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#1906 ·
Lawrence Ortiz6 said:My Dad passed away the night before last. Lung cancer... diagnosed about a year and a half ago. In the end, it was just patches and cannabis; he wasn't in pain and didn't really know what was happening (definitely a blessing in this situation).

I am so sorry for your loss.
ruggedfox11 ruggedfox11 Active Member
239 messages
joined Feb 2017
#1907 ·
Hello everyone!
I’ve been reading through your posts for a few days now, but there is just so much information here—it feels overwhelming to try and catch up on everything at once. In the end, I decided to step forward and join the conversation to share my own story—mostly just to unburden my soul—because everyone around me seems to have vanished. I’ve found myself standing alone in this incredibly difficult situation, and I felt that here, I might actually find the understanding I so desperately need..

To give you some context, my husband was diagnosed with small cell lung cancer about twenty days ago, following several months of being hospitalized without a clear answer. We’ve both accepted the diagnosis as best we can—as much as one can, really. I would truly value hearing from anyone else who has fought, or is currently fighting, this absolute monster of a disease.

On a personal level, though, I feel like I am falling apart. Everyone I thought I could rely on for support has simply disappeared; my husband’s brother and my own friends have essentially written me off—labeling me as irrational or incapable—basically implying that since my husband is already halfway gone, there's no point in helping. They just stepped away. On top of all this, I have a little baby who needs constant attention, yet I find myself retreating into the worlds of books and mathematics just to cope. I am terrified that I won't be able to provide him with everything he needs—both the physical care and the emotional strength.

If anyone has advice, a kind word, or even just a small bit of comfort... anything would mean the world to me right now.
Rachel Williams Rachel Williams Member
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joined Apr 2017
#1908 ·
ruggedfox11 said:Hello everyone!
I’ve been reading through your posts for a few days now, but there is just so much information here that I can't possibly focus on everything at once. In the end, I decided to join the conversation and share my own story—mostly just to unburden my soul. Everyone around me seems to have vanished, leaving me alone in this nightmare, and I figured this might be the one place where I could find the understanding I desperately need..

So, about twenty days ago, my husband was diagnosed with small cell lung carcinoma, after spending several months in the hospital without a clear answer. We both accepted the diagnosis as best we could. I would really appreciate hearing from anyone else who has fought, or is currently fighting, this monster.

On top of that, I feel like I am personally falling apart. All the people I thought would be my support system have disappeared; my husband’s brother and my own friends have practically labeled me crazy, ignorant, or hysterical, implying that since my husband is essentially a dead man walking, there is no point in helping. They simply walked away. To make matters worse, I have a little baby who needs constant attention, yet I find myself retreating into the worlds of books and mathematics. I fear I won't be able to provide him with all the help he needs, whether it's physical or emotional.

Any advice, any words of comfort, anything would mean the world right now...

It isn't the exact same situation, but it's close. My mother was diagnosed with adenocarcinoma of the lung at a very late stage—largely due to a series of medical blunders and mistakes along the way. Back then, we weren't even sure if she’d live to see my wedding in ten months. Well, it’s been two years and seven months now. I wrote a previous post about how we basically live life one three-week checkup at a time. Generally speaking, the prognosis for all lung cancers is grim, but statistics are just numbers. My mother isn't a statistic; she is my mother, a fiercely stubborn woman, and she tends to do things her own way. In dealing with this disease, I truly believe her spirit helps her... her doctor has actually called her a phoenix a few times, and for good reason...

I don't know where you are receiving treatment, but we are at Jordanovac. People complain about that place constantly, but after four years of being passed back and forth between the Pulmonary clinic and the Mayo Clinic, we are eternally grateful to the doctors and nurses at Jordanovac... they are absolute angels.

The situation is absolute hell; that is just a fact. Everything you, your husband, and your baby are feeling right now is completely normal. Cancer doesn't just strike the patient; it strikes everyone who loves them. It's a shock to everyone, and everyone is just trying to handle it in their own way...
Forget the statistics for a moment. Treat him like a brother, a son, or a spouse, and make the most of the time you have left by filling it with love and laughter. Whether someone has cancer or not, none of us knows how much time we have left... even those of us who are healthy tend to take our time for granted, but a car accident can happen to anyone at any time. My advice? You have a little baby; create as many memories as possible that you can show her in pictures or tell her about one day.🙂
ruggedfox11 ruggedfox11 Active Member
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joined Feb 2017
#1909 ·
Rachel Williams said:It’s not quite the same thing, though it feels very similar—my mother was diagnosed with late-stage lung adenocarcinoma (mostly due to a series of medical mishaps and bureaucratic runarounds back then). At the time, we honestly weren't sure if she’d even make it to my wedding in ten months. Well, it’s been two years and seven months now, and I previously shared a post about how we survive that grueling cycle of waiting for check-ups every three weeks. Generally speaking, the prognosis for all lung cancers is grim, but statistics are just numbers on a page. My mom isn't a statistic; she’s my mom—a fiercely stubborn woman who lives by her own rules, and so it goes... In this fight, and in how she carries herself through it, I truly believe her spirit helps... Her doctor has actually called her a phoenix a few times now... and for good reason...

I’m not sure where you all are receiving care, but we are at Jordanovac. A lot of people tend to complain about that place, but after four years of intensive treatment—from manual therapy to everything they've thrown at us at both the Pulmonary clinic and the Mayo Clinic—we are eternally grateful to the team at Jordanovac, including all the doctors and nurses... they've been our rock.

The situation is absolute hell, plain and simple. Everything you and your twin are feeling right now is completely valid. Cancer doesn't just strike the patient; it hits everyone who loves them. It’s a shock to the entire system, and everyone is just trying to find a way to process it...
Take those cold statistics and throw them out the window. Treat him like a brother, a son, a spouse, or a best friend, and make the most of every moment you have with love and laughter. Whether someone has cancer or not, none of us really know how much time we have left... We healthy people often take our time for granted, but life can change in an instant—just like a car accident on a random drive. And if I may offer one piece of advice: since you have a little one, focus on creating as many memories as possible. Build a library of moments you can show her in photos or tell her about when she’s older.🙂

Rachel Williams,

I’ve always been a person of books and mathematics (I actually tutor math)—they’ve always been my escape from reality, and as a mathematician, I simply refuse to accept statistics as destiny.
I accepted the diagnosis for what it was, and immediately dove headfirst into research—reading everything, contacting clinics abroad, looking into other people's experiences, and filtering through mountains of information. But... what really hurts is how people react toward us. Both of us get looked at with this overwhelming pity. They think I’m delusional because I choose to believe in a positive outcome, even though I am fully aware of the gravity of what we are fighting. Look... whether you are a friend, an acquaintance, or a stranger, please just support me. Don't give me that "I'm so sorry" look and then walk away. This isn't my first time facing a difficult situation, but this is incomparable.

We are being treated in Miami, and he just finished his first round of chemo. The doctor is wonderful—very transparent, tells us everything openly. She doesn't bring up the statistics because I made it clear to her exactly what I think about probabilities and odds, especially since we don't even know the exact stage of the diagnosis yet. From what I've gathered, the mass is massive—about 16x14x8cm—situated between the heart and the lungs and around the bronchi, affecting both lungs. Everything else on the CT scan looks okay, aside from some slightly enlarged lymph nodes.
Terry Lopez18 Terry Lopez18 Member
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joined Nov 2017
#1910 ·
ruggedfox11 said:Rachel Williams,

Literally, books and math (I’m actually tutoring right now)—they’ve always been my escape from reality. And as a mathematician, I simply refuse to acknowledge statistics.
I accepted the entire diagnosis at face value and threw myself into research, reading, contacting foreign clinics, and looking into other people's experiences. I've filtered through mountains of information, but... what really hurts is how people react to the disease and to me. They both look at us with nothing but pity. According to them, I'm "crazy" because I believe in an incredibly positive outcome, even though I am fully aware of what we are fighting. Look... if you are my friend or just an acquaintance, please, just support me. Don't give me that "I'm so sorry" line and then walk away. This isn't my first time facing a rough situation, but this is incomparable.

We are receiving treatment in Miami, and he just finished his first round of chemo. The doctor is great; he doesn't hide anything and speaks very openly. He avoids mentioning statistics because I told him immediately exactly what I think about odds and probabilities—plus, I have no idea what stage we were diagnosed at. From what I've gathered, the mass is massive—about 16x14x8cm—situated between the heart and lungs and around the bronchi, affecting both lungs. Everything else on the CT scan looks fine, except for some slightly enlarged lymph nodes.

In situations like this, you realize how emotionally illiterate most people actually are. They just lack basic emotional intelligence.

Unfortunately, it seems nobody ever taught them, and I honestly don't know how that happened. But yeah, they just don't know how to carry themselves in these heavy moments.

For three months now, nobody has even asked how Dad is doing, or even checked in on me. People might ask "how are you?" in passing, but that's it.

And now, get ready for the absolute peak of absurdity. His sisters STILL haven't come to visit him. They call me occasionally to cry over the phone, and then they actually have the nerve to complain to Mom and me that we aren't "caring enough" for him. Dad has been sick and immobile for four months already, and they haven't shown up once. Not only that, but they actually mentioned they won't attend the funeral because they want to remember him the way they used to know him. They don't want that mental image of him being frail, sick, thin, silent, and unable to move. It is incredibly selfish and immature behavior for women who are well over 55.

Honey, draw your strength from your baby. You don't need these people; they can't provide the kind of presence you need right now. Find your strength elsewhere. Don't even bother holding a grudge against them, because they simply aren't capable of doing better.
Trying to explain it to them would be a waste of breath.

Take care of yourself and the baby, and please check in here whenever you need someone to talk to.
Angela Wright Angela Wright RegularOP
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#1911 ·
ruggedfox11 said:Rachel Williams,

Textbooks and math—I always held onto them through tutoring sessions—were my way of escaping reality. And as a mathematician, I don't buy into statistics.
I took the diagnosis head-on. I dove into research, reading, calling overseas clinics, and looking into other people's experiences. I filtered through mountains of data, but... what really hurts is how people react to the situation and to me. They both look at us with this patronizing pity. To them, I’m just "crazy" because I choose to believe in a great outcome, even though I know exactly what I'm fighting. Look... if you're my friend or an acquaintance, it doesn't matter—just support me instead of saying "I'm sorry" and walking away. Honestly, this isn't my first time facing a mess, but this is definitely in a league of its own.

We're getting treatment in Miami, and she just finished her first round of chemo. The doctor is solid; he doesn't sugarcoat anything and speaks very openly. He doesn't bring up statistics because I told him straight up what I think about probabilities, especially given our stage of diagnosis—not that I have any clue which exact phase we are in. From what I've gathered, the mass is massive—about 16x14x8cm—sitting between the heart and lungs and wrapping around the bronchi, affecting both lung fields. Everything else on the CT looks fine, aside from some slightly enlarged lymph nodes.

I’ve seen two indirect cases involving bronchial microcellular cancer. One was positive, and one was negative.
The positive case is much closer to your situation because there ARE NO METASTASES. A friend's mom was diagnosed six years ago. She went through therapy and is currently in remission.
The other case involved a relative whose husband had cancer that had already spread to his liver. It eventually hit his brain, and unfortunately, he fell right into that statistical median of 100 days.
Look, the situation is what it is. It's here. It's not exactly a stroke of luck, but you're being treated and you have your chances. Given that lung cancer is the most common malignancy in men, statistically speaking, she is part of that outlier curve—the one that enters remission—and that number isn't small or insignificant. I truly believe there is a chance to get this under control. You have to take it day by day and deal with things as they evolve. Living your life and finding a secondary focus is honestly the best way to cope.
Illness, and everything that comes in the package, acts as a sort of life filter for the people around you. It shows you exactly who people are and what you can expect from them. In my case, everyone got exactly what they deserved. It doesn't weigh on me anymore.
Seek out psychological help if you feel like you need it, but honestly, the best thing is hanging out with people in the same boat. Swap contacts at the outpatient clinic, join a patient advocacy group, or connect anonymously on a forum... those "safety valves" were my biggest source of help and support.
Check out the "Cancer is Darkness" forum. You'll find plenty of people walking the same path, offering smart advice and real support.
Hang in there, and realize you aren't alone in this world. Because of how society thinks, you might feel pushed to the sidelines, stuck in a crisis within four walls, unfortunately. Thank God the internet exists for this kind of thing. 😉
You have strengths you aren't even aware of yet. Embrace them, and embrace the chance to discover a side of yourself you never knew existed through this incredibly heavy life situation, without fear. You're going to experience some real "wow" moments.
ruggedfox11 ruggedfox11 Active Member
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joined Feb 2017
#1912 ·
Grace Ross20 said:In situations like this, you really start to realize how emotionally illiterate people can actually be—they just lack basic emotional intelligence.

Unfortunately, it seems like nobody ever taught them better; I honestly don't know what to tell you. But yeah, they just don't know how to carry themselves when things get this heavy.

For three months now, it’s been the same story—nobody even asks how Dad is doing, or how I am. Every now and then, someone might check in on me, but it's always so superficial.

And now, get ready for the absolute peak of it all. His sisters STILL haven't come to visit him. They'll call me out of the blue and cry over the phone, yet they actually have the nerve to complain to Mom and me, suggesting we aren't doing enough for him. Dad has been sick and bedridden for four months now, and they haven't shown up once. Not only that, but they actually mentioned they won't attend the funeral because they want to remember him the way he used to be—they don't want that image stuck in their heads, seeing him frail, sick, thin, silent, and unable to move. It is incredibly selfish and immature behavior for women who are well over 55.

Honey, please, draw your strength from your baby; you don't need these people right now—they can't provide the kind of support you truly need. Find your strength elsewhere, and try not to hold a grudge against them, simply because they aren't capable of being there.
It would be a waste of breath trying to explain it to them.

Take care of yourself and your little one, and please reach out here whenever you need someone to talk to.

Thank you!

It isn't any better with his immediate family, either... He only has his brother and his mother left. Both of them love to act like they're smarter than everyone else, and they both just crave being the center of attention. This man is out there telling everyone that his brother is dying while he's lying in the hospital... Honestly, he looks terrible before starting his first round of chemo. The man was 6'7" and 265 lbs, and now he's down to 185 lbs... It was devastating, truly heartbreaking to see him like that—sick, on oxygen, unable to eat; damn cancer can really do a number on a person.
But his brother... I mean, seriously, that's not the way to handle it. She would move heaven and earth for her sisters. And once he gets out of the hospital, both the brother and the mother started making up illnesses just to the point where they were at the ER every other night.

I'm drawing my strength from my little girl and from within myself—books have always been my first line of defense—but every single day, I realize just how hard it is to cope with this whole situation.
Terry Lopez18 Terry Lopez18 Member
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joined Nov 2017
#1913 ·
ruggedfox11 said:Thank you!

It isn't any better with his immediate family either... He only has his brother and his mother. Both of them love to act like they're the smartest people in the room, and more importantly, they just crave being the center of attention. This guy is out there broadcasting to everyone that his brother is dying while he’s lying in a hospital bed... I mean, honestly, he looks absolutely terrible before even starting his first round of chemo. The guy used to be 6'7" and 265 lbs, and now he's down to 185 lbs... It was truly horrific to see him like that—sick, on oxygen, unable to eat; man, what cancer can do to a person is just devastating.
But his brother... Look, man, that's just not how you handle this. If it were her sisters, she would move heaven and earth for them. And to make matters worse, once he gets out of the hospital, both his brother and his mother started making up illnesses to the point where they were ending up in the ER almost every other night.

I draw my strength from my little one and from within myself—books have always been my first line of defense—but every single day I realize just how difficult it is to cope with this entire situation.

Yes, it happens all too often where family members weaponize an illness just to grab attention and play the victim.
Back in my small town of about 500 people, the only thing anyone talked about for months was my Dad's illness. I'd walk into the local grocery store and feel eyes following me, people pitying me, whispering things like, "He's a lost cause, he's dying, did you see what he looks like now?"
And then I realized they don't actually understand anything; it's just juicy gossip for them to chew on during their morning coffee.

Don't give those people even a second thought. Their talk is nothing but empty noise and mindless chatter. Just stay by his side and believe in him when everyone else gives up. When they start gossiping about how he's wasted away or how there's no hope left (which I sincerely hope never happens, but if it does), you have to be even stronger and look for that spark still shining in his eyes.

Every day I think about how frail my Dad is and how, given that diagnosis, he should have passed away a long time ago. But then the next day comes, and he's there, feeling BETTER AGAIN. He looks at me, understands me, eats everything I bring him, and lights up when he sees me.
It's as if he somehow clenches his tiny, weakened fist and says, "I'll show you all how strong I really am." 🙂

There was one sentence Angela Wright wrote several times that really inspired me: you won't realize how much strength you're hiding inside you until you're tested. Something like that, anyway—I'm paraphrasing. 🙂
ruggedfox11 ruggedfox11 Active Member
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#1914 ·
Man, those looks initially made me feel physically sick. It took me a little while to realize that people like that just need to be pitied for how shallow they can be...

He’s home right now—it’s actually his "off" day since his next chemo session isn't until Monday. He's finally starting to eat a bit more, gaining some weight, getting out of the house more... even the conversation feels different now. People have stopped talking because they’ve seen firsthand that the reality is nothing like the rumors. I wouldn't say I'm his sole support system, though I stay on top of everything; I talk to him about absolutely everything—except for the illness itself, because he simply doesn't want to go there.

I find myself repeating that exact sentiment to him every single day. :-)
As for myself, I'm realizing that this is going to be a massive lesson in what true patience actually looks like.
ruggedfox11 ruggedfox11 Active Member
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joined Feb 2017
#1915 ·
After spending a little over a month digging through everything—our own local forums, international boards, gathering stories, and looking at clinical results—I finally sat down today and truly processed what was written in his discharge summary from the Mayo Clinic. That mass is absolutely massive. First off, there’s a growth between the lungs and the ribs measuring 14x8x16 cm; you can actually see it nestled between two ribs, and I could swear that node has been sitting right there since last year—though, honestly, I haven't been able to find any clear data on whether microcellular lung cancer develops suddenly or creeps up gradually before aggressively expanding. :-(
Then there is a 6x10 cm lymph node located between the heart and the lung lobe, plus a 3 cm node on the ligament between the liver and the stomach that is visible through the skin, along with a 3.5 cm formation in a swollen gland and several lesions within the lungs up to 1 cm. It feels like pure despair—just a total catastrophe.

I spent the day working through every single post in this thread, pulling together quite a bit of information, which has given me a long list of questions to bring to his pulmonologist... But now, after reading his discharge papers with much clearer eyes, I finally understand why she said there wasn't any hope.
It feels like my hopes have taken a heavy hit today.
Peter Cooper5 Peter Cooper5 Active Member
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joined May 2007
#1916 ·
First off, I just finished reading the last two pages and man, my heart really goes out to you guys. Seeing what you’re all going through—or have dealt with—is just heavy. I’m back here because someone incredibly close to me lost their mom to illness last year. I see him spiraling into this depression because he feels totally helpless, and with the prognosis looking pretty grim, he's just pulling away from everyone, including me. I try so hard to push my own feelings aside just to be there for him, but he keeps retreating further, and I honestly feel lost on how to help. He won't even talk to me about it; he has no outlet, no way to vent, nothing. Does anyone have any actual advice? What can I do to support him while he’s trying to help her manage this disease? It doesn't help that they really only have each other; they don't have much of a support system outside of their own little bubble...
Rachel Williams Rachel Williams Member
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joined Apr 2017
#1917 ·
Chloe Alvarez said:First off, I’ve just read through the last two pages, and honestly, my heart aches seeing everything you all are going through (or have endured). I came back to this thread because someone incredibly close to me lost their mother to illness last year. I see him slipping into depression because he feels powerless to help her, especially with such grim prognoses looming; he’s pulling away from everyone, including me. I try to set aside my own needs and feelings just to be there for him, but he keeps distancing himself further, and I feel lost on how to reach him. He won't talk to me about any of it—there's no release valve, no outlet at all. Does anyone have actual advice on what I should do? How can I help him navigate this stage while he's still trying to support his mom through the illness? They really only have each other; they don't have much else in terms of a support system...

Just be there for him. And for heaven's sake, don't even think about telling him "it will be better." A friend and I actually sat down the other day and concluded that's one of the most hollow, senseless things people say. We’re both only children of single mothers, and both our mothers are currently in the final stages of cancer, where it has already spread everywhere. Don't go digging into the details or trying to fix the unfixable; just let him know you're present. Let him know he can rely on you—not just for the practical stuff within your power, but simply to listen...
ruggedfox11 ruggedfox11 Active Member
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#1918 ·
Chloe Alvarez said:First off, I just finished reading the last two pages here, and my heart truly goes out to everyone going through this—or those who have already navigated it. I found myself coming back to this thread because someone incredibly close to me lost their mother to illness last year. I’ve watched them spiral into a deep depression, fueled by that crushing feeling of helplessness and the weight of a potentially grim prognosis. It’s heartbreaking to see them pull away from everyone, including me. I try my best to set aside my own needs and emotions just to be there for them, but the distance seems to grow, and I feel completely lost on how to help. They won't talk to me about any of it—there’s no outlet, no release valve, nothing. Does anyone have any actual advice? How can I support them through this stage while they are still trying to help their mom manage the disease? The thing is, it’s really just the two of them against the world; they don't have much of a support system outside of each other...

Just stay by her side—you'll have to be her rock.
That’s exactly what I find myself missing right now.
Terry Lopez18 Terry Lopez18 Member
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joined Nov 2017
#1919 ·
Chloe Alvarez said:First off, I just finished reading the last two pages, and my heart truly goes out to everyone here going through this—or who has navigated it already. I found myself coming back to this thread because someone very close to me lost their mother to illness last year. I can see how they are slipping into depression because they feel helpless to fix things, especially with such grim prognoses, and they've started pulling away from everyone, including me. I try my best to set aside my own needs and emotions just to be there for them, but they keep distancing themselves, and I’m at a loss. They don't want to talk about it; there's no outlet, nothing. Does anyone have any real advice on what I should do? How can I help them get through this phase while they're still trying to manage their mom's care? It's just the two of them; they don't really have anyone else to lean on...

Honestly, just by showing up here to ask for advice, you've already done something massive. It shows how much you care and proves that your loved one has a rock in you.
It is incredibly difficult to articulate what someone needs when they are walking through hell, but the best thing I can tell you is simply to exist alongside them. You'll figure out what that actually looks like in practice as time goes on. Just be there. Don't disappear, don't pretend everything is sunshine and rainbows, and—as you might have already heard—don't fall into the trap of telling them "everything will be okay."
Try not to take it personally if they act strange or try to push you away. Don't let them shut you out entirely. They will likely try to distance themselves because they are hurting, and they might reject help because feeling vulnerable is terrifying, or they feel like no one truly understands the weight they're carrying.
Sometimes, silence is enough. Just share a quiet moment together, or maybe watch a beautiful documentary about space; those kinds of things soothe me and remind me that we are all part of something much larger than our current struggles.
Don't run away from their grief. So many people react to sadness by making jokes or acting like everything is fine just to avoid the discomfort. But at the same time, don't dig too deep or demand that they verbalize every single emotion. Once they realize you aren't going to run when things get dark and that they can actually trust you, they will open up.
Also, try sharing something that is weighing on you, or perhaps a sad story from your own life. It can create a bridge. It is often much easier to talk to people who are also navigating pain rather than those living in some perfect "La La Land" bubble. At least for me, that's how it works right now. It helps me realize I'm not alone and that human suffering is a shared experience.
Peter Cooper5 Peter Cooper5 Active Member
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joined May 2007
#1920 ·
Thanks for the advice. You're probably right—he’s trying pretty hard to push me away, but I’m just not budging. I know deep down it’s all just a reaction to everything going on. I keep telling him things will be okay when the timing is right, but honestly, I think he’s mostly just saying that to himself to escape reality. Though... I guess there's no point in 🙂 We still watch movies, binge shows, we live together, so we end up side-by-side even if we aren't actually *doing* anything together. No matter how brutal it gets, I'm staying put. I'm sacrificing myself here, and I just really hope I don't sink along with him =/

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