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What's the point of these mindless threads on ŽK and TV shows that just insult public figures?

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bluecanyon643 bluecanyon643 NewcomerOP
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#1 ·
First off, I should probably mention I’m no purist, no conservative, no religious zealot, or anything quite that extreme; I’ve always had a soft spot for dark humor, though I suppose even the darkest jokes need some kind of foundation.

Secondly, I get it—threads like this exist mainly to kill time, cure boredom, or just engage in some cheap trolling, and I don't mind that, provided things stay within reasonable bounds.

I occasionally drift into these types of discussions just to catch a laugh at the rare, actually lucid comments—the ones that are legitimately justified by a photo, an explanation, or some clear fact. But, on the flip side, it really gets under my skin when I see people flocking together on these threads just to be extremely cynical or downright malicious.

I realize that being a public figure means dealing with a certain amount of criticism, but if we’re being honest and objective about it, a lot of these people are genuinely talented, creative, and driven, which is how they earned their status in the first place. Not to mention, we don't actually know anything about who they are as people behind closed doors.

I have no interest in playing the moral high ground, but some of the comments I've seen in these threads represent the absolute lowest, most vile form of human interaction. And frankly, seeing that kind of hypocritical garbage—especially from people hiding in the shadows of anonymity—really knows how to throw me off balance.

And what happens? I react, and I get banned. What’s even more jarring is how a pack of thirsty forum users suddenly appears out of nowhere just to defend that kind of tone and mock anyone being obvious. It's just your typical mob mentality, a cult, a sect, whatever you want to call it. 🙂

Here is one lovely example of how people respond to criticism; it was punished, of course, but it says a lot. For what it's worth, I'm not even a girl, though she clearly put in enough effort to try and research that. 🤣

Big Paulie said:You're a sick girl

What I'm wondering now is this: why is it that moderators mostly penalize users who just point out when someone is overreacting (even using a term like "paratrooper"), while much nastier outbursts seem to be tolerated?
I mean, what's the actual point of all that? 🤷
northernpilot2 northernpilot2 Active Member
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#2 ·
On national TV?

Give me an actual example here, please, because this whole idea of 'insulting public figures' feels like such a massive stretch to me.
bluecanyon643 bluecanyon643 NewcomerOP
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#3 ·
northernpilot2 said:On TV?

Could you give me an example, please? I feel like the whole idea of "insulting public figures" is a pretty stretched concept, I guess.

So, about that train wreck of a show hosted by Mark Twain... I guess it was pretty much what you'd expect from a disaster like that.

I guess I'll try to animate this, though I'm not really sure what there is to say about it. Maybe it'll work out, maybe it won't. It’s all a bit much, honestly. kaže:
I'm with you on that one, though I think the guy is just a total lowlife—honestly, he’s pretty much a complete Neanderthal.🙄

I don't really know Mark Twain, but from what I've gathered watching that show, Just a total lowlife. I doubt it, honestly.
Besides, if that isn't a textbook example of being plain old tasteless, then I honestly don't know what is. 🤷 Man, if only there was something actually funny left to say...

I guess it’s just business as usual, really—insults and verbal abuse still seem to go completely unpunished around here. ☕
northernpilot2 northernpilot2 Active Member
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#4 ·
Since you’re already digging into that particular topic, I mean, you can't really get banned for "insulting" someone with comments like those; if they’re too graphic or crude, the mods will probably just scrub them from the board anyway.
Mark Twain is a pretty well-known figure, so I guess he's gotta deal with the fallout of his public persona, whether people are singing his praises or just tearing him apart.
bluecanyon643 bluecanyon643 NewcomerOP
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#5 ·
northernpilot2 said:Since you brought it up, I guess those kinds of comments shouldn't really be flagged as 'insults,' though if they get too graphic, the mods will probably just scrub them anyway.
Mark Twain is a public figure, so I suppose he’s bound to deal with both the praise and the hate that comes with being in the spotlight.

So, you're telling me calling someone a total lowlife is somehow a justified response? Honestly, I don't see what facts in your post could possibly back that up.

By the way, there's a massive difference between expressing a negative opinion and just straight-up being abusive. I'd imagine an admin or moderator should probably know the distinction.
Michelle Alvarez8 Michelle Alvarez8 Regular
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#6 ·
Don't you dare mess with ŽK—seriously! It’s basically the only subforum where you can actually post without having to shove a broom up your ass first.
Brandon Lopez6 Brandon Lopez6 Regular
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#7 ·
bluecanyon643 said:So, calling someone a total Neanderthal is somehow okay in your book? Seriously, what kind of actual facts did you use to justify that in your post?

By the way, there's a massive difference between having a negative opinion and just being straight-up abusive. I’d assume an admin or moderator would know the distinction.

So wait, let me get this straight. We can drop compliments like "he's a god" or "she's a queen," but if we say anything remotely critical other than "I don't like this," it's forbidden?

That wouldn't be a community, it'd be a sterile damn PDF. 😕
Jose Miller3 Jose Miller3 Regular
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#8 ·
bluecanyon643 said:So, calling someone a total lowlife is somehow okay in your book?

calling someone a lowlife🤷 is pretty much what anyone aiming for a public profile needs to be able to take lying around...

just part of the job, honestly. It's a perfectly valid way to react on a forum like 🤷
...
And please, what "facts" did you actually use to justify that in your post?

Since when does having an opinion on anything require you to back it up with hard facts just to justify it?

An opinion? A stance? Just a vibe?

Btw. there's a massive difference between being critical and straight-up insulting someone. I'd think a moderator/admin should know that.

Yeah, well, calling someone a lowlife definitely falls on this side of that line... 🤷
bluecanyon643 bluecanyon643 NewcomerOP
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#9 ·
Elizabeth Davis said:So, I guess you're saying we can post praise like "what a legend" or "king," but if we say anything negative, it's off-limits unless we just stick to "I don't like this"?

That would make for one incredibly sterile, lifeless document, wouldn't it? 😕

Let me try explaining this one more time: there’s a massive difference between being negative and being insulting. 😉

You can write plenty of interesting, witty, and creative critiques that fall under negative commentary without crossing the line into actual insults, though I suppose that wouldn't serve as much of an immediate emotional outlet as those mindless outbursts like total moron and things of that nature.
Michelle Alvarez8 Michelle Alvarez8 Regular
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#10 ·
What do you even call public figures when calling them a total wreck feels way too mild? Take someone like Goran bara, for instance. 🤷
bluecanyon643 bluecanyon643 NewcomerOP
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#11 ·
Rachel Brooks63 said:Just a total lowlife. I guess anyone who actually wants to step into the spotlight and be a public figure has to be able to take some criticism and just deal with it, honestly. 🤷

Yeah, I guess that comment was actually pretty spot on and justified, if you look at it from the perspective of one of those online forums. 🤷

I don't really see it that way. I mean, if someone actually had the guts to say something like that using their full name and real identity, then maybe it would be appropriate. But otherwise, I guess it’s just talk. I mean, this is just a forum, I guess.Look, that isn't some kind of excuse. If you're going to talk trash and act like a coward, I guess you might as well just do it under your real name.

Rachel Brooks63 said:I guess people have been calling things their own for as long as anyone can remember. I don't really have much to say about anything, I guess. Everything feels pretty much the same lately, if you ask me. They've gotta have them. Just facts. I guess it might work, if you look at it that way. I guess they finally justified themselves, though I'm not sure anyone actually cares.?

I guess I expected a bit more from a regular like you, especially since your posts are usually pretty high quality.
So, maybe if you actually applied that post of yours to, say, the PZ subforum, things might start making a bit more sense to you. 😉

Rachel Brooks63 said:Yeah, and that primitive hack is thick-headed as hell, too. I guess I'm just here. I guess those borders are just foreign to us now. 🤷

So, if I decide to call you a total Neanderthal, you’re going to sit there and act like it’s some kind of negative critique instead of a straight-up insult? I mean, give me a break. 🤣
Michelle Alvarez8 Michelle Alvarez8 Regular
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#12 ·
Nah, you’re probably gonna end up getting banned for being disrespectful—because honestly, you're just being way too sweet and soft to realize there's a massive difference between a regular forum user and a public figure. 😁
bluecanyon643 bluecanyon643 NewcomerOP
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#13 ·
Brian Edwards78 said:What about public figures where even calling them a total disaster feels like an understatement? Take someone like Goran bara, for instance. 🤷

I guess that’s fine then. 😬

So, I suppose the whole point of this thread is just having moderators tolerate blatant nonsense.
If Goran bara shows up drunk on national TV, talking absolute garbage and being insulting, then I guess that harsh label is pretty much justified.

But if that same guy just wears a jacket you happen to dislike, I don't think it fits at all.
Jose Miller3 Jose Miller3 Regular
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#14 ·
bluecanyon643 said:I don't buy it. If someone actually had the guts to drop a comment like that using their real full name—well, then maybe it’d be appropriate. And saying stuff like but this is just a forum isn't some kind of valid excuse. Look, if you're gonna talk trash and want to be a coward about it, at least have the decency to do it under your own name.

I honestly expected more from a regular like you, especially since your posts are usually pretty solid.
So, maybe try applying that logic to something like the PZ subforum... then it might actually click for you. 😉

I mean, seriously—if I call you a total Neanderthal, you're gonna take that as a "negative comment" instead of a straight-up insult? Give me a break 🤣

You completely missed the entire point of what this forum is as a medium 🤷

Just picture the forum like a local pub where we're all hanging out, grabbing a beer or a hard cider.

And yeah, in a pub (just like on a forum), it's totally fine to say that Mark Twain is a complete idiot 🤷

Asking for that to be banned is just insane—it's just as crazy as that rule where you can't go over to the politics section and just write "Banditić" when talking about the Mayor of Washington, D.C.

Luckily, there are still subforums where people haven't lost their minds yet and we can actually have some fun 🤷

(btw, did you seriously just compare the banter on ŽK to the stuff posted over in natural science? because if you did, I don't even know why I'm bothering talking to you if you can't tell the difference between actual trolling and just messing around 🤦 )

EDIT: Just realized you don't get the distinction between insulting other users in a debate versus insulting public figures like Mark Twain... just another 🤦:
Michelle Alvarez8 Michelle Alvarez8 Regular
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#15 ·
bluecanyon643 said:Well, if that's the case, then fine. 😬

Basically, this whole thread is about how the mods just tolerate blatant nonsense.
I mean, if Goran bara shows up to a live CNN broadcast wasted, talking absolute garbage and being offensive—then yeah, calling him out is totally fair.

But if that same guy wears a jacket you don't like? I don't think so.

Look, Goran bara is gonna be an idiot, a jerk, and a total loser even if he saves a school bus full of kids from drowning.

But seriously—why do negative comments and straight-up roasting public figures bother you so much? I’m asking for real here, no trolling intended. I just don't get it. What exactly are you hoping to achieve by insisting that every single opinion or comment needs to be backed by hard facts? I don't know about you, but I'm perfectly happy just going with my gut feeling.
Jose Miller3 Jose Miller3 Regular
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#16 ·
honestly, this whole thread needs to be handled one way and one way only:

Michelle Alvarez8 and I are totally on the same page here.

that's more than enough proof—it's bulletproof, really—that anyone who isn't with us is just dead wrong... completely and utterly wrong ☕
bluecanyon643 bluecanyon643 NewcomerOP
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#17 ·
Rachel Brooks63 said:(btw, are you actually—and I mean seriously—comparing the banter on the main board to the stuff people post over in the natural science subforum? because if you are, I guess there's really no point in even talking to you if you can't tell the difference between actual banter and what's happening here 🤦 )

God, just go back and read my opening post again.
There's a massive gap between lighthearted joking and some mindless insult that serves as nothing more than someone's cheap personal therapy session. I think we should probably try to maintain at least a shred of class here.

Do I really need to sit here and provide examples for this?

Rachel Brooks63 said:EDIT: I just realized you don't seem to grasp the distinction between insulting fellow users in a discussion and attacking public figures like Mark Twain :still another 🤦:

An insult is an insult. I mean, does being part of the majority group here—in this case, the main forum community—just give me an automatic pass?
I honestly expected a bit more from you...
Jose Miller3 Jose Miller3 Regular
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#18 ·
bluecanyon643 said:Let's at least try to maintain some sense of class here...

Well, I think we're definitely keeping things classy 🤷—honestly, this community has done a pretty solid job of balancing that out for years now, if not forever...

Do I really need to provide examples for this?

Yeah, you do. Because if that one "total lowlife" is your go-to example, then you're completely off base. If there are way, way worse people out there than that, then you're right—but then I don't get why you aren't just reporting those even worse cases to the mods, who have always been the ones cleaning up
the place...

But I truly expected more from you....

Sorry I let you down 😬

And honestly, I'm also sorry you still aren't catching my point...
bluecanyon643 bluecanyon643 NewcomerOP
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#19 ·
Brian Edwards78 said:Look, even if Bare was some total idiot or a complete jerk, it wouldn't change much, even if he actually saved a school bus full of kids from drowning.

Anyway, I’m asking you seriously—not trying to troll you here—but why do negative comments and people just openly trashing public figures bother you so much? I don't really get it. What exactly are you hoping to achieve by insisting that every single opinion or comment needs to be backed up by hard facts? I don't know about you, but I guess I'm perfectly fine just going with my gut feeling.

That's what I was getting at. I got flagged because I was calling out stupid comments—it wasn't even insults or anything. Plus, I was basically just watching a pretty primitive display of mob mentality play out.

Yeah, the double standards bother me, I guess. Hypocrisy just sucks. It bugs me when a topic that could be a bit of lighthearted banter turns into this massive parade of people being overly cautious and spineless.
Jose Miller3 Jose Miller3 Regular
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#20 ·
The guy got banned because he decided to take some incredibly stupid thread on Reddit way too seriously—trying to tell chickens they needed to go get their eyes checked just because they commented that Rihanna has thick hips 🤣

Man, you really see some weird stuff on here sometimes... 😬

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