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Singapore Grand Prix - Sep 25, 2011

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Michael Lee4 Michael Lee4 Regular
421 messages
joined Oct 2009
#481 ·
Yeah, sure, best move is to just play dumb and pretend the team principal never said a word ☕
wiredtiger8 wiredtiger8 Active Member
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#482 ·
Watching this whole debate unfold, I’ve gotta say a few things.
Last year, Red Bull basically opted for the simplest strategy in the book... and it was basically "don't worry about being the F1 champion, just don't be the champion paired with Webber." They somehow stumbled into luck at the very end and walked away with the title thanks to Vettel.
And honestly, it doesn't even matter that Webber is a tier below Vettel in terms of raw talent.
Webber just had one of those weird "out of body" moments last season—the kind of thing that happens to even the mediocre drivers (kind of like what happened to Massa back in the day).
I can't quite wrap my head around it, but the plain truth is that Webber was performing way above his weight class last year. Even if you argue Vettel was struggling or too green or whatever, the fact remains that in several races, Webber was actually faster than Vettel.
Dammit... I guess even a broken clock is right twice a day.

Edit: It’s also a complete mystery to me—for those who actually remember—how Gerhard Berger always seemed to be absolutely legendary (and winning!) at Hockenheim (that old, high-speed version), yet on any other track, he wasn't even in the conversation for a podium.
steelmaker83 steelmaker83 Active Member
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#483 ·
Michael Lee4 said:I get it, I really do... I was just replying to stormybadger8 regarding those stories about Jenson being the lead driver and how they pushed Hamilton out of McLaren.🙂

Regardless, even if everyone labeled Jenson the number one driver and he didn't have that trophy under his belt, nothing changes. Who could actually catch those aliens? 14 races, 9 wins, 13 podiums. His worst result was 4th. Let's be real.🤣 If he doesn't crash one of them out before the finish, nobody stands a chance of passing him; they'd have to screw up big time to even get close.😁

Sure, but if Jenson's McLaren had been more reliable, and if Jenson himself hadn't made those strategy blunders, the pressure on Vettel would have been significantly higher. Vettel hasn't really felt much heat from the rest of the field this season. It's interesting to think how Red Bull might have reacted, and how Vettel himself would have handled it.

Unfortunately, everything this year just fell perfectly into place for Seb. Add to that how phenomenal he was with tire management—probably the best on the entire grid—and what happened was exactly what Clark described: the perfect symbiosis between driver and car. The Holy Grail of Formula 1.

On top of that, McLaren and Ferrari were busy taking points off each other. If you want to find the person most responsible for Seb's title (besides himself), it's probably Alonso. He managed to mess with McLaren's rhythm using the slowest car in the top three, and McLaren only made things worse with their idiotic mistakes and unexpected reliability issues.

That's how the season wrapped up, but I'm certain Red Bull won't be quite this dominant next year.

The one silver lining here is that for two seasons running now—this one being a bit less obvious—we have three teams capable of winning. That means six drivers who can actually go wheel-to-wheel on track.

For me, this season has been great. It met all my expectations, except for one thing, but hey, you can't win them all.
stormybadger8 stormybadger8 Veteran
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#484 ·
Michael Lee4 said:Yeah, sure, best move is to just play dumb and pretend the team principal never said a word ☕

Who exactly are you calling the boss here? Helmut Marko?🤷

I don't bother memorizing every little thing Christian Horner or Mathezić says, and honestly, nobody takes Marko seriously anyway—not even more than they took Niki Lauda.🤣
Michael Lee4 Michael Lee4 Regular
421 messages
joined Oct 2009
#485 ·
steelmaker83 said:Sure, but if Jenson's McLaren had been more reliable, and if Jenson himself hadn't made those strategy blunders, the pressure on Vettel would have been significantly higher. Vettel hasn't really felt much heat from the rest of the field this season. It's interesting to think how Red Bull might have reacted, and how Vettel himself would have handled it.

Unfortunately, everything this year just fell perfectly into place for Seb. Add to that how phenomenal he was with tire management—probably the best on the entire grid—and what happened was exactly what Clark described: the perfect symbiosis between driver and car. The Holy Grail of Formula 1.

On top of that, McLaren and Ferrari were busy taking points off each other. If you want to find the person most responsible for Seb's title (besides himself), it's probably Alonso. He managed to mess with McLaren's rhythm using the slowest car in the top three, and McLaren only made things worse with their idiotic mistakes and unexpected reliability issues.

That's how the season wrapped up, but I'm certain Red Bull won't be quite this dominant next year.

The one silver lining here is that for two seasons running now—this one being a bit less obvious—we have three teams capable of winning. That means six drivers who can actually go wheel-to-wheel on track.

For me, this season has been great. It met all my expectations, except for one thing, but hey, you can't win them all.

I don't know about that... If Button had been more reliable, Vettel might have been sweating as much as Button did during his championship run, but he still would've pulled it off much easier.

And I disagree on the six drivers part. It's more like five. You can't count the first guy. 😉
mistybear87 mistybear87 Regular
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#486 ·
Destroy his race!!! 🙂

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hFmVpkglFc
Chris Ortiz Chris Ortiz Active Member
88 messages
joined Dec 2010
#487 ·
haha, those Italians are at it again
stormybadger8 stormybadger8 Veteran
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#488 ·
mistybear87 said:Destroy his race!!! 🙂

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hFmVpkglFc

Vettel's message: chill out, grab a drink, and stretch where you can't stretch. 🤣

Man, that took me right back to Kimi in a split second.😂

If you wanted to kill him, the reply to this message would be:

Can I just pull over for a second and take a massive dump right on the track?🤣🤣🤣
Raymond Ortiz89 Raymond Ortiz89 Active Member
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#489 ·
Honestly, I am constantly floored by the sheer level of nonsense these journalists will cook up just to snag a few more clicks with a sensationalist headline.
Now they’re actually trying to spin it as if Felipe Massa was given some shady instruction to go out there and cause an accident.
🤦
stormybadger8 stormybadger8 Veteran
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#490 ·
Raymond Ortiz89 said:Honestly, I am constantly floored by the sheer level of nonsense these journalists will cook up just to snag a few more clicks with a sensationalist headline.
Now they’re actually trying to spin it as if Felipe Massa was given some shady instruction to go out there and cause an accident.
🤦

🤣🤣🤣

I just saw this myself, and honestly, they've lost their minds.😂

Objectively, there's nothing to it.🤣
Raymond Ortiz89 Raymond Ortiz89 Active Member
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#491 ·
stormybadger8 said:🤣🤣🤣

I just saw this myself, and honestly, they've lost their minds.😂

Objectively, there's nothing to it.🤣

Just take a look at the latest report from CNN 🙂
stormybadger8 stormybadger8 Veteran
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joined Apr 2013
#492 ·
They really went all out trying to dump a pile of crazy messages on YouTube🤣

Rob Smedley is a legend 🙏🤣🤣🤣
Alex Fowler5 Alex Fowler5 Member
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joined Sep 2011
#493 ·
stormybadger8 said:They really went all out trying to dump a pile of crazy messages on YouTube🤣

Rob Smedley is a legend 🙏🤣🤣🤣

Oh man...
darkmarlin16 darkmarlin16 VeteranOP
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#494 ·
darkmarlin16 said:I’ve got some inside intel floating around that Vettel is actually going to take the win ☕

Great tip, thanks for the heads up☕
stormybadger8 stormybadger8 Veteran
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#495 ·
darkmarlin16 said:Great tip, thanks for the heads up☕

Screw my own tip, I knew this was coming since the start of the season ☕

stormybadger8 said:Like I said after the first race, none of them stand a chance. Vettel is going to win this by the biggest points margin in history 🤣

And the best part? He'll probably have three times as many points as his teammate 😁

🤣
Jason Campbell70 Jason Campbell70 Veteran
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#496 ·
stormybadger8 said:They really went all out trying to dump a pile of crazy messages on YouTube🤣

Rob Smedley is a legend 🙏🤣🤣🤣


An excellent compilation. Kudos to the author! 🤣 🙏
Nancy Scott5 Nancy Scott5 Regular
266 messages
joined Jun 2010
#497 ·
Jason Campbell70 said:An excellent compilation. Kudos to the author! 🤣 🙏

Missing Jarno Trulli saying: ''I have no brakes.''
Engineer: ''Copy that Jarno, keep pushing.''
Matthew Young35 Matthew Young35 Veteran
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joined Jan 2018
#498 ·
What’s missing is that moment regarding the tires when Button asked, "Are you sure? Are you one hundred percent sure?" and they just answered, "Yes."
James Diaz8 James Diaz8 Member
39 messages
joined Jun 2011
#499 ·
Michael Lee4 said:AAAAAAAAAAAAA man, that was sooooooo close 😲

That was freaking close, man

☕

and honestly, who else would have even noticed, facts 🙂🙂

Alonso sent out for a snack run ☕
twice over ☕☕☕

😁
Mark Ruiz8 Mark Ruiz8 Active Member
80 messages
joined Jan 2009
#500 ·
Rob Smedley is honestly pretty ridiculous with his commentary 😁

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