Die-hard Ultras / Hardcore Supporters

Mark Carter10 said:Most of the time they’re just doing their jobs, sure, but they’re targeting the fans. Nobody is complaining or crying about it—well, at least not I am. They strictly follow one specific part of the law that needs enforcement, while completely ignoring the rest....

They target us because we are considered the weakest link in the country and because we’ve already been judged in advance (by both the public and the justice system).

Ehhh, so you gave me a partial answer there. 🙂 😉

...that's exactly what they're trying to do to us—make us look like some exaggerated caricature of a problem. I mean, if we weren't their easiest target, they wouldn't bother with us. But everyone knows where revolutions actually start, and it's definitely not coming from bikers, ravers, or residents in nursing homes. The thing is, we need a more CONCRETE column or topic to emerge, something where people actually demand evidence instead of this pattern in the US where maybe five, or even zero, fans have the guts to bring actual charges against INDIVIDUALS within their own ranks. And believe me, the evidence is there. As for solutions? There are plenty, but I'm not going to go public with them; I'm keeping them up my sleeve for now. Grab your cameras, grab your phones, and start filming... where are all those lawyers they promised would be at the games now? Honestly, fine, if you catch me holding a flare, whatever, that's on me. But if you target someone else just to get to me, someone who didn't even do anything, then there HAS to be consequences...

...and now the cop is talking back to us. Honestly, if anyone reading this is actually bothered by it, why don't you just report it yourself? 😳 ...I mean, that’s not my job, it’s his! It’s just one more way they try to apply pressure on the fans. I remember when they tried to semi-legalize flares a few years ago. Those officials were basically offering a "solution" where they said, "Sure, you can bring them in and light them, but you have to label every single flare with a number and your full name so we know who stands behind which number..." BUT IF EVEN ONE EXTRA FLARE GOT LIT, THEN EVERYONE WITH A NUMBER WAS HELD RESPONSIBLE FOR THE WHOLE MESS...

...you know what one group once did in a certain former country when they were trying to start a fight?...well, they went ahead and put razor blades in their mouths. Some of them actually ended up cutting themselves, but the police could do nothing but watch from a distance...not to mention those bloody syringes, just imagine that...there are a thousand ways to do it. Now, whether you think those people are actual Ultras or just complete idiots, I guess that's for you to decide...

rustyangler122 said:...you know what one group did once during a crackdown in an old country when they tried to beat them up?...well, they put razor blades in their mouths. Some even got cut up a bit, but the police couldn't do much more than watch...not to mention the bloody syringes, just come see for yourself...there are thousands of ways...now, whether those are Ultras or just idiots, you decide...

After looking at it objectively, I've concluded they're just idiots.

This marks the first time since the conflict that football hooliganism and fan unity in US soccer have actually converged to push back against the local rackets.
Around 2,500 Ultras showed up at the stadium. They set off a few flares and hung banners calling out the US Soccer Federation.
Once those flares went up, the police moved in on them, clearly trying to bait a bigger riot.The Split fans stayed relatively chill, though.Everything ended without much drama.
Looking at the tension between the BBB and the police crackdown, it was quite the spectacle. Interestingly, while the cops were charging the Ultras, the BBB were busy shouting insults at the officers. The final score was 3:1.🤣

Benjamin Thomas2 said:After looking at the facts, I've pretty much decided they're just total idiots.

Bravo.

rustyangler122 said:...you ever hear about what one group did back in the day in some old country during a brawl? They actually put razor blades in their mouths—some ended up getting cut up pretty bad—but all the cops could do was stand there and watch... not to mention those bloody syringes, too... man, there are a thousand ways to do it. Whether they're actual Ultras or just plain idiots, I guess you can decide that for yourself...

First off, that stuff involving those gangs in Miami back in '89... you’ve gotta have both the brains and the guts to pull something like that off...
And the second thing... at least up north, you’ve got plenty of guys who aren't afraid of a little chaos. If someone wants to find a way, they will—if they don't, they'll just make an excuse
And if nothing else works, you always fall back on the good old Gandhi method😛

Matthew Foster8 said:First off, those guys in Miami back in '89... I mean, you'd have to be incredibly bold—or just plain crazy—to pull something like that off...
And secondly... at least on the North Side, there’s a massive crowd of people backing the cause, including the hardcore ultras... I guess if someone wants to step up, they find a way, but if they don't, they always find an excuse.
And if nothing else works, we can always fall back on the good old Gandhi method.😛

...😍

rustyangler122 said:...that’s their whole tactic, isn't it? Trying to paint us as some exaggerated caricature. They want to make us look like the weakest link so they can ignore us entirely. But we all know where revolutions actually start, right? It certainly doesn't start with bikers, ravers, or people hanging out at nursing homes. The real issue is that we need something more concrete—a column, a dedicated topic, a real investigation where evidence is actually demanded. In this country, it feels like maybe five people, or perhaps nobody at all, has the guts to bring actual charges against specific individuals within their own ranks. And believe me, the evidence is there. As for solutions? I have them. I'm not going public yet, though. I'll keep them up my sleeve for now.Grab your cameras, use your phones, just record everything...Where are all those lawyers who were supposedly showing up to the games? Seriously. If you catch me holding a flare, fine, whatever. But if you target someone else just because of me, someone who didn't do anything, then there has to be consequences...

It’s funny, my dad said the exact same thing a few days ago. He was like, "For heaven's sake, you all have those modern smartphones with cameras, just use them and record it."

Benjamin Thomas2 said:After taking a long, hard look at the facts, I’ve come to the conclusion that they're just complete idiots.

Either they had some serious guts and were being bold, ☕ or maybe they just didn't know any better.

Sam Mendoza said:It’s funny because my old man actually said the exact same thing just a few days ago... he was like, "Look, you all have those modern smartphones with cameras now, just film everything for God's sake."

I mean, I get it, but let's be real here... more than once, that whole idea has ended pretty badly...

Like, they either smash your phone, or they break your arm, or they just destroy the camera itself... then good luck trying to show anyone any proof...

wanderingcobra18 said:Laughing it off? Yeah, right. If we’re being honest here, things usually end badly... more than a few times, actually.

I mean, they’ll either smash your phone, break your arm, or crack your camera lens... then good luck finding any actual proof.

If there are enough people filming, they'll either catch what they were actually supposed to be recording, or they'll just end up filming someone's phone getting totaled. And let me tell you, the mainstream media? They have zero interest in the second one. 🙂

You know, there’s those high-tech cameras now that they just build right into your glasses and all that sort of thing