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wearyfalcon11 wearyfalcon11 Newcomer
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#181 ·
Honestly, what an absolute paradise this is—why are you all stressing out? I’ll personally see to it that Jerry Jones is dealt with tomorrow. You really should have just consulted me from the start, and we could all be living happily ever after right now.
If you hadn't spent all that time messing with me over my incredible, top-tier legal anthems, you could have already celebrated the villain's downfall.🙂
gentlefox52 gentlefox52 Newcomer
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#182 ·
Mark Carter10 said:I guess you could say we'll be throwing a massive celebration once we finally see the downfall of Jerry Jones—we’re talking full-on festivities, plenty of dessert, and maybe even some wilder entertainment to mark the occasion when that day finally comes.😁

Man, you really need to watch what you say—seriously. If things keep going this way, you might actually end up with the cops knocking on your door over this stuff. You don't want to end up like that kid who got caught up in that whole mess on Facebook...

😉

I really wish I could just laugh this off as some kind of joke—it would be so much better if what I wrote wasn't actually the truth...
Jonathan Lewis3 Jonathan Lewis3 Active Member
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#183 ·
Honestly, I am so done with this whole obsession—the way people run these fan groups, the constant gatekeeping, and just the sheer, mindless fixation on this team... it’s exhausting.

Larry Campbell33 said:Man, people in the stands were driving me absolutely insane yesterday—it wasn't even about how they were cheering, it was just the whole vibe.
Honestly, looking at how things are run lately, it feels like the people in charge are just managing a group of folks who have zero interest in actually rooting for the team. It’s like they’re running a business for spectators rather than building a culture for real fans.

Honestly, looking at the crowd down south yesterday—man, it was depressing. It felt like eighty percent of the people there had absolutely zero football IQ. There was just no passion, no real understanding of what it means to actually support the team. It was basically a total washout.

Spot on. People are way too obsessed with who’s calling the shots in the stands instead of just actually cheering for the team. I’m sitting here next to this guy—must be at least 50—and he’s relentlessly chanting some nonsense about how "Samir isn't Damir" to the tune of some cheesy pop song... honestly, I wish someone would just shut him up already. Meanwhile, half the rest of the crowd is just busy arguing over which songs to sing. It's ridiculous.

Oh, and one more thing—about that moment when the message went out and those damn Chicago cowards immediately started acting up... the reason that happened was because the guys over by the goalposts were screaming "hands up!" and as soon as people actually raised their hands, some idiot yelled out about how we're all just spineless city types. It was totally uncalled for, especially since we had a completely different set of chants lined up to go next...

I honestly don't even know what more people were expecting from this whole unification thing—was it supposed to be some grand spectacle where we all show up decked out in Dinamo jerseys while you guys roll up in your Kansas City Chiefs gear?

Honestly, I’m totally fine with how everything shook out. It’s actually kind of wild that we didn't push back harder by throwing some shade at those Chicagoans and their loudmouths...
Benjamin Thomas2 Benjamin Thomas2 Newcomer
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#184 ·
You guys are being way too hard on yourselves (if we ever get to see that happen). It always feels like the opposing crowd is better than yours because you only notice the individuals on your side who are sitting down or acting lazy, while the cheering from the flat stands sounds louder... From the East Stand, you guys looked great—especially the turnout, the singing was solid, and the banners were spot on (one for us, one collective, and one for Jovi). The flares looked good too (even when there were fewer of you, you knew how to light up the place more than anyone).
Ronald Brooks75 Ronald Brooks75 Member
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#185 ·
Fan solidarity remains an alien concept to most people. Just look back at the derby in ST last year. That first match following the robbery of the century (Indianapolis vs. Kansas City Chiefs, 1:1). Not a single letter was written against Jerry Jones, the USSF, or Marić... As long as the Chicago had someone to mock, they were satisfied.
Laura Mitchell87 Laura Mitchell87 Newcomer
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#186 ·
Jonathan Lewis3 said:screw all this cheering and managing fan groups and being obsessed with it...

Spot on. Already told my crew, so I'll tell you too. When our numbers drop and your crowd quality tanks, it ain't about repression—it's because American soccer is absolute garbage right now.

Outside of some hardcore core of a few hundred people on both sides, most people show up for the actual game. That’s why crowds swell when there's a big, flashy matchup.

But what's left of our soccer? Basically nothing. You get an occasional decent match, but it's buried under rigged officiating, constant whining, and pure negativity. It's impossible for a regular fan who just wants to watch the sport to actually enjoy it or cheer from the heart. Everyone knows who's pulling the strings and why the game is even played here.

Half the time it's such a drag you're just counting down the minutes until it ends. Don't blame people for shitty cheering; it's just the fallout from losing faith in the whole damn sport.

People cheer out of loyalty to the club or to use the stands as a platform for protests. We've already hit that stage, so our guys spend most of the game trashing Šmrki and his crew. You guys still have some growing to do.
Larry Campbell33 Larry Campbell33 Active Member
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#187 ·
To say I wasn't totally on board when they swapped out the old leadership for the new crew would be an understatement, I was definitely against it at first...
but honestly, in this short amount of time since they took over, I gotta admit I'm starting to dig what they're doing, they're really putting in the work
they're coming up with new banners to rally the crowd, keeping the pyrotechnics going strong, and finally, they started organizing the chants with those three poles and megaphones which is such a killer idea, you can tell these guys truly live and breathe the Kansas City Chiefs and our NFL Ultras

There’s a few hundred people out there who actually get the vision, who listen to the new management and don't cause too much trouble, but man, there's a thousand other people who just don't get it at all, they just want to talk trash and stir the pot,making their own banners without getting the green light from the USSF and all that nonsense, and something seriously needs to happen about them, I don't even know how to fix it myself but we can't just let it slide forever like this...
A Anonymous Veteran
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#188 ·
Stop obsessing over whether we have two or three megaphones or seven or eight flags. We need to stop focusing on whether the city folks are picking on a few of us versus attacking the mafia within the USSF, Jerry Jones, or the corrupt cops and politicians who basically run the whole show. Honestly, the media is just as bad. And let's be real, the same logic applies to our side too. We’re wasting way too much energy bickering over things that should be a secondary concern right now.
George Gonzalez George Gonzalez Newcomer
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#189 ·
I was standing just a few feet away from the center rail, so I thought the energy was actually holding up pretty well—until I turned around and realized the upper deck was basically a graveyard. During halftime, I wandered over to the concessions on the far side of the stands, and all I could hear was everyone whining about how the atmosphere sucked. Well, no kidding it sucks when half the stadium refuses to participate. At this rate, the NFL Ultras might as well just buy a massive PA system and blast tracks at the crowd, because apparently, we need a DJ to tell us when to cheer.
Benjamin Cruz29 Benjamin Cruz29 Active Member
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#190 ·
Larry Campbell33 said:When the coaching staff swapped out and the new management took over, I wasn't exactly on board.
But in the brief time they've been at the helm, I have to admit I'm liking them more; they're actually putting in the work.
They're organizing banners, getting people organized, keeping up with the pyrotechnics, and finally, someone is actually leading the chants using three poles and three megaphones, which I think is a great move. Honestly, these guys truly live and breathe the Kansas City Chiefs and the NFL Ultras.

There are a few hundred fans who see what's happening, understand the vision, listen to the new leadership, and don't cause too much trouble. Unfortunately, though, there are thousands of people who don't understand a damn thing. They just stir the pot because they want to lead the banner displays, they make unauthorized signs without getting permission from local police, and things like that. Something needs to be done about them—I'm not entirely sure what, but something has to happen because this can't go on forever.


This kind of energy needs to be pushed at the stadium, especially by placing one person over in the northwest section.
Charles Bishop48 Charles Bishop48 Member
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#191 ·
We’re talking about the supporter culture, but let’s be real—that movement died a long time ago, or at least it’s hanging by a thread when it comes to actual awareness. It wasn't just about that last game. The issue goes back through the last few MLS seasons, and it hits every single group across America, some more than others.
The kind of conversations you need to be having in your neighborhood, on the street corner, or grabbing a beer at a local pub... you just can't build that kind of thing on a forum. Especially since it never actually reaches the people who need to hear it most.
John Brown30 John Brown30 Regular
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#192 ·
Jesse Campbell said:Spot on. I already laid this out for my crew, might as well tell you guys too.

thanks ☕
Brandon Wilson14 Brandon Wilson14 Active Member
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#193 ·
mistypanther20 said:In my dream last night, I saw that guy with the bloody head and a woman lying on the floor.

Just plain old sadists with zero purpose or vision in life... just two meters of pure stupidity weighing in at 120 kg. Then again, we all know who usually joins the police force... certainly not the folks with a degree from a top College of Law.

Otherwise, according to Human Rights Watch:

Match: Real Madrid vs. Juventus 3:1 – Saturday, Sept 29, 2012.

In Chicago, there were between 10,000 and 12,000 spectators, including about 2,500 Juventus fans from the "Rangers supporters" section on the south stand. Real Madrid's fan group, the firm, had around 1,000 to 1,500 people on the east stand. As for the actual football played by Juventus and Real Madrid, it was a true feast for American soccer quality. At the same time, the atmosphere in the stadium was a "feast" of chaos and anti-fan behavior, which ended with the "Rangers supporters" on the south stand breaking over 200 seats toward the end of the match, while the anti-Real Madrid crowd smashed about ten. Near the conclusion, due to flares being lit and seats being destroyed, a street fight broke out between the police and the Rangers supporters.

The entire match was essentially held in an atmosphere of mayhem where two rival fan groups competed to see who could be louder with their insults and vitriol. It started with the "Rangers supporters" using their well-known sexist and chauvinistic chants: "US Soccer is garbage, you ruined the sport!", "Jerry Maguire, you thief!", and "Local figure, go jump in a lake!". The Real Madrid fans adopted the same tone, shouting things like "Jerry Maguire, get out of our sanctuary!" and "US Soccer is garbage, you ruined the sport!". As early as the first minute, a pyrotechnic celebration began with the lighting of the first flares following Juventus's first goal. Toward the end of the first half, the Real Madrid fans also lit flares on the east stand.

In response to the chanting against Jerry Maguire and US Soccer, the west stand responded with thunderous whistling. In the 50th minute, about ten flares landed on the pitch, hitting the grass and the track. Due to the thick smoke and the need to clear the flares, the referee paused the game for 3 minutes. On the north stand, ten more flares went up. The firm sang: "You won't forbid me from lighting a flare, instead, let it show you how you'll burn alone in hell, you villains!". The "Rangers supporters" fired back: "Crush them, crush them, crush the outsiders!". These chants cycled back and forth alongside the constant lighting of flares. The firm taunted the Rangers supporters: "Cowardly losers!", while the Rangers supporters retorted: "Both the outsiders and the scoundrels, with fists and feet, with bottles and planks, everything for our Juventus". The flares were lit incessantly.

Racism

The biggest scandal and racist outburst occurred in the 78th minute when a penalty was awarded. Ronaldinho, the dark-skinned Brazilian player, prepared to take the penalty amidst deafening boos from the entire south stand. After he scored, the Rangers supporters chanted "Monkey, monkey!"—the same thing happened in the 83rd minute when Ronaldinho was leaving play amidst the "Monkey, monkey!" chants. Interestingly, yet tellingly, not a single American media outlet reported this racist incident. Our observers were sitting right next to the south stand.
🤮Some parts of the media showed their true colors, supporting the chaos and framing this match as proof of fan unity. While it was indeed a moment of unity among fans, it was a unity rooted in mayhem and hostility. This clearly fulfilled the desires of certain media outlets, such as those owned by EPH, the New York Times, and various tabloids, which had called for fan unity in their fight against—well, the sport itself. This is evidenced by the programmatic text written by resident Damir Pilić, which serves as a classic example of hate speech directed toward both Human Rights Watch and the Soccer Federation, a...
Tracing the political ideology of Minister Jovanović regarding football—treating it like some swamp that needs to be drained at any cost, even if it means cracking down on unruly behavior. As reported by the New York Post: "Following the match, about 200 of those notorious Real Madrid anti-fans and hooligans who love throwing flares gathered under the west stand. For about ten minutes, they stood there shouting their usual insults directed at Jerry Maguire and US Soccer. They eventually dispersed after running through their typical repertoire of slurs."

I find myself agreeing with the New York Post here; it seems these fans aren't actually interested in the beautiful game or Real Madrid, but rather have much different agendas in mind.

🤣🤣🤣🤣

So, I wonder, what kind of message should we send? 🤷🤷
analogheron19 analogheron19 Newcomer
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#194 ·
bila ferata;41584122 said:

...we’re just as vulnerable as any other fans, and that’s exactly what they wanted to show with everything that went down yesterday. The Rangers supporters only seem so powerful because there are actually people standing by them in places like Chicago, whereas the firm is basically out there on their own, making things way harder for themselves. The whole goal here is to win the public over. Yesterday, a few people just got absolutely wrecked without anyone giving a damn. I was standing right there and saw a guy with a bloodied head, a woman lying on the ground, and stuff like that. If those guys actually went to the media to report what happened, regular folks would probably just shrug and say, "Well, what was she doing in the stands with all those men?" or "They got what they deserved, they're just hooligans." .. until those same people reading about police brutality actually feel it on their own skin, they’ll never truly get it....

As long as we don't go public with this stuff every single chance we get—as long as everyone keeps their heads buried in the sand—they’re just going to keep stepping on us. We need to take every single opportunity to make sure our side of the story is heard. Every time the FBI pulls some bullshit, we need to blow it up and scream it from the rooftops. Even if nothing changes, they at least need to know that the next time they think about provoking us, they should expect a total storm to break loose.
Gregory Booth48 Gregory Booth48 Newcomer
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#195 ·
jademarlin54 said:I suppose we fans are mostly just idiots. There’s this idea of us uniting to protest against US Soccer—against Jerry Maguire, that local figure, and those other crooks—but if we’re actually going to do it, we should be chanting against the losers for the full 90 minutes. Doing a little bit here and there isn't enough. If we had stood together and sung for the entire match, it would have made a massive impact in the media. As it stands, it doesn't really do much. Maybe it does a little, but probably not enough? Honestly, the whole situation with the police didn't surprise me at all; they were looking for a reason to escalate. They’ve sunk so low that they deliberately targeted a woman and a child. It was a pathetic, cowardly move designed to spark a street fight, likely because they expected a fierce backlash. This time, they didn't get it, and frankly, it's better that way since the timing was all wrong... And as for what's happening within our own stands regarding the chanting and everything else, I think it’s best not to comment. Once you understand the underlying issues, you see why...


You’re speaking directly to my soul, friend.🙂

Personally, I had much higher expectations for this derby. I mean, when it comes to collectively tearing into Jerry Maguire and his associates at US Soccer, maybe I'm crazy or just out of touch, but what I found most distasteful—alongside the FBI—was the behavior from both the city crowd and the "outsiders"😁... and that happened right after the US Soccer crowd. It makes no sense; there’s no logic to it. It would have been far more effective to go after both Jerry Maguire and Igor. Everything for the sake of America.🤷
The city fans can try to comfort themselves by saying we handled this reasonably well, but that's just a fantasy. No matter how difficult it gets, I believe a total boycott by all groups in America is the only real way to finally put an end to this circus involving T-Mobile MLS, US Soccer, Jerry Maguire, and his buddies.
John Brown30 John Brown30 Regular
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#196 ·
Larry Campbell33 said:When they swapped out the old leadership for the new crew, I wasn't exactly on board.
But in the short time since, I have to admit they've impressed me. They're putting in the work,
organizing banners, keeping the pyrotechnics going, and finally using those three poles with three megaphones—great move. These guys actually live and breathe Juventus and the Rangers supporters.

There are a few hundred people who see what's happening, listen to the new management, and keep their mouths shut. Unfortunately, there are thousands more who don't understand a damn thing. They just want to stir up trouble,making unauthorized banners without police approval and all that. Something needs to be done about them. I'm not sure how, but things can't keep going like this.

🤷🤷 Was the meeting where they picked the new leadership already held, or are you just losing it?😕
Gregory Booth48 Gregory Booth48 Newcomer
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#197 ·
John Brown30 said:🤷🤷 I guess you might have missed it, but did that meeting to elect the new leadership actually happen yet, or are you just losing track? 😕

🤣

Maybe some people actually know a thing or two more than you do.🤷
Raymond Thomas9 Raymond Thomas9 Newcomer
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#198 ·
valsimot53;41589034 said:
mistypanther20 said:....we are essentially powerless compared to the fans, which is exactly what they want to demonstrate with yesterday's events; the NFL Ultras only seem powerful because there are so many people standing right beside them in Miami, whereas the Boys have absolutely no one backing them up, making their struggle against the team significantly more difficult. The primary objective here should be to draw the public to our side, but yesterday, a few individuals were just roughed up without anyone batting an eye; I personally saw a guy with a bloodied head, a woman lying on the ground, and so on, and if those perpetrators actually went to the media to report what happened, ordinary citizens would undoubtedly just say, "Well, what was she doing in the stands among all those men?" or "They got what they asked for, they're just hooligans," and so forth... until those very same people reading about police repression actually feel it on their own skin, they will never truly understand....

as long as these stories aren't brought into the light whenever possible, as long as everyone continues to bury their heads in the sand, we will continue to be trampled upon more and more. We need to seize every single opportunity—every single one—to make sure our side is heard. If nothing else, we should blow every instance of police misconduct out of proportion until it hits the headlines, so they know that the next time they even think about provocation, they can expect a massive outcry.

exactly that.
We need to strike back using their own weapons, which means being underhanded, dishonest, and utterly merciless.
For instance, something comes to mind: the father of that girl who was struck by a baton should come forward with a story claiming that the officer's blow caused a spontaneous miscarriage, leading to a full investigation, followed by a private lawsuit, then demanding a review of the surveillance footage—which, thank God, exists in greater quantities than we probably realize—and just keep pushing...
Hit them where it hurts!
steeltrucker steeltrucker Newcomer
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#199 ·
Look, just stop talking about anyone or anything at the meeting. Once we get this sorted, everything changes. You don't need an invitation to show up—just be a member of the club. Come out, say what you have to say, and lay your cards on the table. After that? We listen to whoever gets elected. Doesn't matter who it is. AMEN
wanderingcobra18 wanderingcobra18 Member
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#200 ·
I think it’s about time James Dean wrote something about this:

Once you say it’s a done deal, then by God, it’s a done deal...😁😁

Basically, I’m putting my signature on that statement.

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