Die-hard Ultras / Hardcore Supporters

jademarlin54 said:Back when I was first posting here, you had all these "respected" forum regulars spinning fairy tales about how we were basically the Barcelona of the North America, which is hilarious because whenever anyone dares to call out Jerry Jones, these guys act like it’s a direct assault on Real Madrid—especially when the Red Sox are involved. But the second it's their own backyard being picked apart, suddenly they’re all about the ethics, the management, and the whole damn system, yet they still swear up and down that Real Madrid wins the league purely on merit. It's funny how that works, isn't it? Now we've got some random forum guy stepping up to explain to us exactly why everything is perfectly fine and just the way it should be.🤷

Look, with the way the Red Sox are playing right now, it’s pretty much a lost cause, and honestly, Real Madrid doesn't even need anyone's help to walk away with the championship. Nobody is out here pretending they didn't cheat their way to titles before—we all know it, we’ve admitted it ourselves—but at this point, I just don't give a damn about the trophy anymore. With everything going down lately, the title feels completely meaningless. It doesn't even matter if it’s Jerry Jones, Mark Zuckerberg, or whatever other crooked names are running the show; it's all the same mess. We’re being total hypocrites, and frankly, we can't even look ourselves in the mirror because of it. When it comes to these issues, instead of actually doing something, we just sit there while Michael Gray94 and the rest of the old guard mock us, and we mock them right back over some stupid flag or a misunderstood sign. If we actually made a few phone calls or organized a real protest against these guys, maybe things would change, but since we just stay silent and do nothing, it really just proves we're worse than they are.

Michael Gray94 said:So now I should just head over to Springfield? Is that our big "plan" to help the Red Sox become part of this whole mess

Is someone actually forcing you to go, or is it just your heart?

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In this instance, the Red Sox are digging their own grave. The club itself is to blame for such a massive oversight (yeah, an oversight—as if anyone actually knew 🙄 ). Case closed. The Red Sox can't let stuff like this happen or find themselves in this position. And let's be adults and finally take some responsibility. This isn't on Mark Zuckerberg, Jerry Jones, Smith, Johnson, Bebek, the New Yorkers, the Hell's Angels, or anyone else. It's on the previous management for failing to honor the contract with the player from San Diego...AS FOR EVERYTHING ELSE (and let me be clear, I am absolutely not defending the league or any of that trash, if that's how it came across), THE FACT THAT THE LEAGUE IS COLLAPSING IS AN OLD STORY. I highly doubt anything changes by whining on forums and news sites. 🙂

It’s honestly hilarious how some people think... they actually believe if every single fan in America teamed up, it would actually change anything
Just look at how many people call themselves "die-hard fans" in this country. You’ve got maybe 10,000 at most—and that’s being generous. If you only counted the folks who actually show up to five or more away games a season, that number would absolutely crater.
I mean, seriously, what are we even trying to project to the world as a group of, what, 10,000 people tops? Nobody’s going to care about our statements or our image when we're this small...
The Albanian community in the States is actually more influential than us—they’ve got more people and a way better reputation, too.

Some people really don't have their heads screwed on straight...

Michael Gray94 said:Look, you just don't get it, man. I'm not even going to waste my breath explaining... just widen your perspective a bit and stop picking fights over everything. Just see the big picture...

I totally hear what you're getting at... Widening the circle enough to ignore all that nonsense and just watch the game. But man, it's one giant addiction... "I'm done for good," you say, then suddenly it's game day and you're already cruising down the interstate without a second thought about that vow you made a few days ago! ☕ 😉

vividorca10 said:Man, I totally get where you're coming from... Like, if we had enough cash to just bail on all that stress and just sit back and watch some ballet instead. But honestly, brother, it’s a total addiction. You tell yourself, "That's it, I'm done, never again," but then game day rolls around and before you know it, you're cruising down the interstate, already hooked, forgetting everything you promised yourself just a few days ago! ☕ 😉

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Arthur Robinson said:it’s honestly hilarious how some people think... they actually believe if every single fan in America joined forces, it would somehow make a dent in reality.
If you look at the actual number of people calling themselves die-hard fans here in the States, it’s laughable. You might get 10,000 hardcore supporters on a good day, and honestly, if you only counted the folks who actually bother showing up to five or more away games throughout a season, that number would plummet even further.
Now, my friend Rođo, what exactly are we trying to project to the public by claiming to be this massive movement of, say, 10,000 people? And frankly, why should anyone care about our statements or our official press releases when we lack both the sheer numbers and the reputation to back them up?
The Albanian community in America actually has more clout than us—they've got better numbers and a much cleaner image, too.

some people living in this country clearly haven't spent much time walking on solid ground.

They had the caps, we had the sneakers.🤣

Michael Gray94 said:You just don't get it, man, and honestly, I don't even have the energy to break it down for you. Just try to look at the bigger picture instead of picking a fight over every little detail; you really need to grasp how this whole thing works.

So, here we are, two of us who are completely lost, and I say that without being arrogant or acting superior. I’m genuinely asking: do you actually consider the suggestions being made on this thread—or even on this forum in general—to be serious? We’ve got people out here spending their precious free time chasing ideals, trying to help our Red Sox, and finally, we’re seeing some actual movement. Fans should have a say in how things are run, and frankly, all those bureaucrats will eventually fall like dominoes.😉

Besides, why does it feel like there's such an urgent need to protest right this second? There’s nothing wrong with being part of the minority, though maybe it’ll be more honorable to stand our ground next year when our kids are playing with a fraction of the sponsorship money the current teams enjoy. Is something truly revolutionary happening within the US Soccer Federation that hasn't happened in the last twenty years? If not, then all this talk of boycotts feels like nothing more than posturing from people who never actually step up to do anything.

Better late than never, I suppose... 😍

Ryan Chavez3 said:Look, there's two of us here who just don't get it. Not trying to be cocky or anything, but seriously—do you actually think any of these suggestions on this thread, or even on this whole forum, are legit? We’ve got people out here spending their precious free time fighting for an ideal, trying to help our Red Sox, and finally, we’re seeing some actual movement. Fans deserve a seat at the table. Honestly, all these bureaucrats will fall eventually...😉

And why exactly should we be protesting right now? What's wrong with being the underdog? It's better to play it honest and deal with the fallout next year when our kids take over and have a hundred times fewer contracts than the old guard... Or is something crazy happening at the US Soccer Federation that hasn't happened in twenty years? Why start boycotts now? To me, it feels like a lot of noise from people who never actually lift a finger.

Better late than never, I guess... 😍

See, personally, I wouldn't ever want fans to have total decision-making power. But honestly, forget everything I just said—it's all too broad. Who knows who's just talking nonsense now? Massive respect to everyone putting in the work and staying dedicated, though. Time will tell.

Cheers! 🙂

This whole forum debate thing would be much better if people actually listened to one another.
If there’s ever going to be any actual progress on these ideas, the group leaders need to stop shouting into the void, sit down together, and reach an agreement. All these posts about what needs to be done or how things should change are essentially useless without that kind of coordination.

Michael Gray94 said:Look, if you ask me, I don't think fans would ever actually want the power to make the big calls, but honestly, just forget everything said here; it's all way too broad for a forum debate where we're basically just spinning our wheels. Kudos to everyone putting in the effort and caring, though—time will tell how it all plays out.

this American forum is easily the best place to hang out and mess around for an hour
long live 🙂

But we actually do have a say in things right now, and I'm not sure what more a fan could possibly ask for from a club—maybe a private owner? Hmm. Well, the day some billionaire sheikh decides to buy the Kansas City Chiefs, that’s when we should probably start a boycott 😍...because that's exactly how you lose the soul of what the team represents. To me, the Chiefs will always be a club of the people, born from the fans and belonging to them. It's a different story that there hasn't been enough honest leadership running things lately, but that won't last forever either. I'm just hoping those days are behind us. Anyway, let's stop overthinking this and move on to something else...😉 😍

Ryan Chavez3 said:Look, we finally have a say in how things are run. I mean, what more could a fan actually want? A private owner? Please! If some billionaire Sheikh decides to buy the Kansas City Chiefs one day, then maybe we’ll need to start a boycott... 😍...because that's how you lose the soul of what makes the Chiefs special. To me, the Chiefs will always be a club born from the people and belonging to the fans. Sure, it's been rough lately because there haven't been enough honest folks running the show, but that won't last forever. I'm really hoping those days are behind us. Anyway, let's stop spinning our wheels and move on from this topic...😉 😍

So basically, if you light a flare now, you're somehow conflicted or just can't light them anymore? 😁

Ideals and love are dead—capitalism doesn't even recognize those terms, so we might as well say goodbye. It’s like thinking some mafia mob that’s been circling clubs and players for years is just gonna vanish because fans took over ownership. Nah, they'll just find a way to carve out spots for themselves within the new ownership model. Honestly, I’m all for full privatization—if you’re footing the bill, buddy, do whatever you want, but if you mess with me as a fan, I know how to make your life miserable. But none of that matters when the City gives you $7 million in subsidies, so you don't give a damn about my interests anyway.

Raymond King47 said:Look, when we actually suggested doing something about it, everyone just turned on us—saying we were too deep in it now, that we didn't care about the mafia or the thieves running the USSF because we were finally sitting at the top, so why bother boycotting or whatever... I’m not saying it wouldn't have been different if things hadn't gone that way, maybe... I just want to say that we fans are absolute hypocrites and total losers. While these scumbags are screwing us over and playing us for fools, we're busy laughing at other people's problems and cheering for random garbage games while they mock us and the entire league. We're pathetic, really. We don't deserve anything better than this.

It's the most tragicomic, ridiculous league on the planet—and the fans? Even more ridiculous.
Man, we'll be back up in a few years... but the mindset is just pure middle schooler stuff. Like a bunch of kids in a classroom with a teacher they can't respect...
It's just a cycle of nonsense, over and over again, forever. 🤦
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When you look back at the last derby—specifically The Boys versus the Black Knights—it becomes clear just how much better those fans are compared to this entire football circus we deal with. On the other hand, you realize that nowadays, the only people showing up to the stadium are masochists and the most stubborn souls imaginable. And even those numbers are shrinking every single day. I honestly find it surprising that there’s anyone in the stands at all, or that people even have the stomach to follow this mess. So, credit to the guys in all the supporter groups who are still carrying the weight on their shoulders to keep what little remains of the fan scene alive...

vividorca10 said:So, besides your heart, what else is driving you?

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In this instance, the Kansas City Chiefs are digging their own grave. The club itself is to blame for a blunder like this—and yeah, calling it a "blunder" is an understatement. It’s like nobody even noticed 🙄. End of story. The Chiefs shouldn't let things get this far or find themselves in this position. Let's be real and just own up to our own mistakes. This isn't on Mark, Madoff, Shirley, Djedovic, Bebek, the city elites, The Boys, or anyone else; it's on the previous management for failing to honor the contract with the player from Savannah...AS FOR EVERYTHING ELSE (and just to be clear, I'm not defending the USSF or any other trash if that's how it looked), the reasons why the league is falling apart have already been chewed over a thousand times. I doubt anything changes by just whining about it on forums and news sites. 🙂

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Raymond King47 said:well, given how our Kansas City Chiefs are performing lately, I suppose the other guys don't even need a helping hand to win the championship. I mean, nobody is out there claiming they haven't rigged titles before—everyone knows it, and honestly, we’ve admitted it ourselves—but personally? I just don't give a damn about the trophy right now. With everything going on... I guess I just couldn't care less about a title. It doesn't really matter if it's Madoff, Mark, or whoever else is pulling the strings... we're being hypocrites. We can't even look ourselves in the mirror regarding these issues. And when Michael Gray94 and the others lecture us, it's infuriating. They seem more interested in mocking us over some flag or a misunderstood sign than actually making a few phone calls to take a stand against these people. By staying silent and doing nothing, I suppose it just proves we might be worse than them.

The foundation for the corruption in American football was essentially laid by Franjo Harmon back when he established the country, and since then, it's been nothing but match-fixing and theft that ushered in the likes of Madoff and his cronies into our league... though, maybe I shouldn't be quite so pessimistic about the fans. For seventeen years, these mobsters have been systematically expanding their reach, but in just the last few years, it feels like the supporters—and even certain political elements—are finally trying to put a stop to it (and you can see some results, I guess). I think it isn't too late for the fans to actually unite on this issue and create enough pressure to clean up American football. Now might actually be the real opportunity, especially with some political support surfacing... without constantly digging up the past or pointing fingers at who is to blame...

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The real issue is that this isn't just about football; it’s everything. Corruption has seeped into every single corner of American sports. What I find even more pathetic is that the crowds at the stadiums aren't actually there for the game—they're there because of the fan groups. That’s why we have these "instant fans" flooding everything, including internet forums. We basically have the most intense scene in the world where no banner ever gets confiscated fairly, every brawl is a lopsided beatdown, and nobody ever loses or runs away. Everyone thinks they're the toughest guy in the room, and everyone else is just a bunch of pussies. 😁😁

So how are we ever going to find any sense of unity when our fan culture is bottom-of-the-barrel? Germans, Italians, Greeks, Poles—they're all miles ahead of us. They can handle the crackdowns and still push their ideals at the stadium.

Meanwhile, we miserable types can't even stand together to protect the one thing that actually binds us: our love for the club. Unfortunately, things will stay exactly like this as long as clowns hide within the masses—the same ones attacking protesters in Times Square or those guys waiting for us at the station at 6 AM in Sweden. 🤷🤷

Harold Kim5 said:The foundation for corruption in American football was laid by Franjo Harmon and the United States, which paved the way for all the match-fixing and theft that allowed people like Madoff, Shoshe, Stimce, and others to enter our sport. I wouldn't be so pessimistic regarding the fans' impact, because while the mafia has been systematically expanding for 17 years, both the fans and now politicians want to put an end to it in recent years—and you can actually see some results. I believe it isn't too late for the fans to unite and create extra pressure to clean up American football, especially since there is political support right now. We should do this without dwelling on past mistakes or pointing fingers at who is to blame.

Suppose I agree with this, but I have one question for you and the rest of you.
Do you truly believe the Kansas City Chiefs have a future under this business model? Can they achieve any real results? Most importantly, do you think the Kansas City Chiefs, operating as they do today following privatization, can survive without declaring bankruptcy in the near future?

Franjo Harmon is basically the reason we ended up with this entire political and economic mess we're stuck with today. I mean, didn't we all just rush in together to tear down that decaying socialist system? Now, even today, people still get triggered just thinking about those old-school red regimes. Makes me wonder what those folks in Bolivia think about it—you know, living in full-blown socialism with the government holding onto every single strategic company...