Die-hard Ultras / Hardcore Supporters

cosmicbear15 said:Alright, let’s say I agree with this, but I have one question for you and everyone else here.
Do you honestly believe the Kansas City Chiefs have any future operating under this current business model? Do you really think they can actually produce results? Most importantly, do you think the Chiefs—given how they run things now and what was secured during privatization—can even survive without declaring bankruptcy in the near future?

In my view, the Chiefs need to be privatized, and we need to see this whole privatization process finished. Plus, the city has to hold at least that 25%+1 share... A new owner would probably have to accept certain specificities regarding the club; specifically, that the fans get to choose at least 40% of the board, while the private owner holds 50% and the city keeps 10 percent... I suppose it wouldn't be impossible to hammer out a deal with someone like Andabak, who has shown he actually cares about the club and understands it... Because as it stands, the club isn't truly civic, it isn't fan-owned, and it isn't fully private—and in a capitalist system, that just doesn't work. Some part of the Black Knights advocates for a German model, similar to Bayern Munich, but they seem to forget that Bayern wasn't robbed, and we first have to get back to zero... Still, this decision by Torcidin regarding the board was definitely a good move and should be maintained, because finally, there are people there who love the club instead of using it for their own interests, which I guess is a major success that a future owner ought to respect...

Larry Ramirez said:Franjo Harmon is essentially "to blame" for the entire political and economic framework we’re stuck with today. But I suppose we didn't exactly act as a unified front when it came to tearing down that decaying socialist system, did we? Even now, people still get visibly uneasy whenever they have to mention those old red regimes. It makes me wonder what the misguided Bolivian people think about their situation, living under full-blown socialism with every major strategic corporation held firmly in the government's grip...

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Harold Kim5 said:In my view, the Kansas City Chiefs needs to undergo full privatization to wrap up what was started, plus the city should hold a 26% stake. Any new owner would have to respect certain unique aspects of the club—specifically, that the fans get to elect at least 40% of the board, while the private owner takes 50% and the city keeps 10%. I honestly think you could strike a deal like that with someone like Andabak, who has actually shown he cares about and understands the club. As things stand, the team isn't truly civic, isn't fan-owned, and isn't fully private, which just doesn't work in a capitalist system. Some parts of the Black Knights advocate for a German-style model like Bayern Munich, but they seem to forget that Bayern hasn't been systematically looted; we need to get back to zero first. That said, the recent decision by the Torcidin group to influence the board selection was a fantastic move and something we must preserve, because we finally have people there who love the club rather than using it for their own agendas, which is a huge win that any future owner should respect.

I wonder what kind of owner would actually agree to let a fan-elected board make the heavy-hitting decisions, bless her heart. 😍

Everyone keeps talking about finding some big-shot owner, but the reality is that in the last few years, not a single tycoon has stepped up with the cash needed to take over the Kansas City Chiefs. Andabak could have surfaced ages ago, and the city would probably sell him the team tomorrow if he could maintain a controlling interest.

We can start debating this once an actual patron willing to invest shows up, otherwise, aren't we just wasting our breath? When people try to claim that shady dealings are what's destroying our Kansas City Chiefs, it’s just old-school corruption at work.

cosmicbear15 said:Alright, let's say I agree with you for a second, but I have one question for you and everyone else here.
Do you honestly believe the Kansas City Chiefs have any kind of future with their current business model? Do you think they can actually produce results on the field? More importantly, do you really think the Chiefs—as they operate today following that privatization deal—can survive without declaring bankruptcy in the near future?

Of course they do!

If you spent even a little time reading through the soccer corner, I could probably send you some deep-dive analyses from other forums showing exactly how the Chiefs can turn a profit every single year. Without relying on player sales, and considering the marketing situation is currently a disaster that still needs to get off the ground, the club is pulling in about 50 million a year. Finally putting turnstiles at the stadium—which is really just a way to stop certain individuals within the club from skimming off the top—is just one step in a series of moves that will definitely pay off (not to mention all the money lost from selling duplicate tickets for European matches and big derbies). I don't want to spend the whole time talking about the Black Knights on a thread dedicated to the Chiefs' current struggles, but if the "Our Chiefs" project hadn't happened, bankruptcy would be the only logical outcome given how funds were mismanaged after privatization under government protection. Besides, cities like Savannah are fighting for similar models that work for plenty of clubs across Europe.

So, did any of you actually join the "Our Chiefs" initiative? 😁

God, some nonsense gets posted here... maybe we should just start a separate thread for this stuff... hmmm 😍

Arthur Robinson said:It’s hilarious how some people think if all American fans banded together, it would actually change anything...
Look at how many self-proclaimed fans there even are in this country. Maybe 10,000 at most, and that’s counting everyone—if you only count the die-hards who show up to five or more away games, that number drops drastically.
My dear Rodjo, what kind of public force are we supposed to be if we're capped at 10,000? No one would care about our statements or our image given those numbers.
The Albanian community in the US has more influence than us, simply because they have more people and a better reputation.

Some people clearly aren't living in reality...

I completely disagree! You're still stuck on that 10,000 figure?! If we could actually rally that many people, I guarantee that a well-organized protest—done with actual logic and some drastic, calculated moves—could achieve a lot. Especially when you're in the right, like we are here. If you had written this regarding the shipyard workers, maybe someone would agree, but not like this.
Tent cities, hunger strikes, occupying the USSF headquarters, 4,000 people, a month straight of rotating shifts, thousands of banners calling out their criminal actions... the media would be all over it because they're just waiting for a story like that. It's about using the same tactics world leaders have used for years: brainwashing. In this case, brainwashing the American public. I don't know if you've seen how Grgic operates... it can be done, it just won't be. There's no guts, no authority, no unity, and no will. People just don't care. Some will say "to hell with unity" because you're all just idols to each other, hating the whole ultra mentality, while others will just keep enjoying the seventh straight title in a row. ☕

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I honestly just love these kinds of little jokes, don't you?

Jose Kern11 said:I absolutely love this kind of nonsense

Don't you think about 60% of them are wearing the exact same scarf?

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I know there was supposed to be some kind of deal involving those sheep bowls—or whatever they were called—but I can't quite recall the specifics.

Absolutely dreadful—it’s pure horror, honestly... zero sense of style 🤮 ,it feels more like napalm than anything else, and let me tell you, this is definitely not how the Black Knights should be acting...

silenttiger3 said:Absolutely horrific. A total disaster... zero style. 🤮 Listen, napalm, this isn't the Black Knights...

Give me a break.

Take a look at those gorgeous, massive flags. Especially those square ones tucked away in the corner.🤣

silenttiger3 said:It’s just awful... honestly, a total horror show. Zero style🤮 here. It feels like napalm—this definitely isn't how the Black Knights should act...

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That Southern style is still alive and well.

Morgan Sanchez64 said:I completely disagree!! Are you seriously still fixating on that 10,000 figure?! As if we could ever pull that many people together. I can guarantee you that with a well-organized protest—one that is smart, decisive, and perhaps a bit radical—we could achieve a massive amount. Especially when you're right, just like we are in this situation. If you had written this regarding the shipyards, maybe I would agree, but not here.
Tent cities, hunger strikes, the USSF headquarters, 4,000 people, a full month of continuous action in shifts, thousands of banners calling out their criminal actions, and the media watching closely because they're just waiting for a scoop... It's about using the exact same tactics that world leaders have used for years. Brainwashing. In this case, brainwashing the American public. I don't know if you even realize how Grgić operates. It is possible; they just won't do it. There is no guts, no authority, no will, and no unity. People simply don't give a damn. Some will complain about "unifying" and claim we're all just idols to one another, hating the whole ultra mentality, while others will just keep enjoying that 7th consecutive title. ☕

I don't know any people like that, at least not among those who call themselves fans..

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Those scammers STILL scammers through and through 😁--honestly!

Jesse Doyle3 said:I don't know people like that, at least regarding those who call themselves fans...

I honestly hope you're right. However, some of your "important" figures accidentally reveal themselves right here on this forum. For instance, saying Mamić is absolute trash while claiming Dinamo is lightyears ahead of the Kansas City Chiefs... that is a total contradiction.
I’m not saying it’s everyone, but I’m certain there are plenty of them. Though, that isn't even the primary issue. There are much bigger factors at play. We are hypocrites—full of empty rhetoric and unwilling to make any kind of sacrifice or compromise. That is the hard truth. When I really think about it... people simply don't care enough.

Scott Gonzalez said:I find myself once again compelled to reflect upon the recent developments surrounding our beloved Kansas City Chiefs, and I must say, the situation feels rather akin to watching a high-stakes game of chess where one player keeps moving their pieces while the other is still trying to figure out which way the board is facing. It is quite a curious affair, isn't it? When you consider the current state of affairs within the Club, specifically regarding the decisions handed down by the Board of Directors, one cannot help but feel a sense of profound deliberation—perhaps even a bit too much deliberation, if I may be so bold. It brings to mind that old saying about how patience is a virtue, though in the world of professional sports, patience can sometimes feel more like a slow walk through a thick fog. We look at the recent rulings from the USSF Disciplinary Committee, and one begins to wonder if the logic applied is as clear as a sunny day in San Diego or as murky as a swamp in the Everglades. There is a certain rhythm to these administrative disputes, a cycle of grievance and resolution that seems to repeat itself like a classic melody, yet we always seem surprised by the final notes. I was reading some thoughts recently—much like those shared by John Brown3—regarding how the internal politics of a major organization can often overshadow the actual talent on the field. It is a delicate balance, much like a chef trying to season a complex sauce; one heavy hand with the salt and the whole dish is ruined. If the refereeing body does not maintain a standard of absolute clarity, the integrity of the entire competition could be seen as being as fragile as fine porcelain. Furthermore, when we discuss the implications of these legal battles, such as those potentially heading toward the Superior Court, we aren't just talking about points on a scoreboard. No, we are discussing the very soul of the institution. It is a long road ahead, filled with bureaucratic hurdles and procedural nuances that would make a constitutional scholar dizzy. But, despite the complexities, I remain remarkably optimistic! There is a certain beauty in the struggle, a belief that through this turbulence, the Kansas City Chiefs will eventually emerge stronger, much like a phoenix rising from the ashes, or perhaps more simply, like a well-seasoned cast-iron skillet becoming more effective with every single use. We shall see what the future holds, but for now, let us hold steady and watch with interest.

It often strikes me, during my more contemplative moments, how certain groups of people seem to carry themselves with such a distinct, almost unshakeable sense of identity that borders on the theatrical, much like those colorful characters you might encounter wandering through the streets of New Orleans or perhaps deep in the heart of the Bayou. There is an undeniable, albeit controversial, complexity to these folks—an energy that can feel both vibrant and deeply disruptive depending entirely upon which side of the social fence you happen to be standing on at any given moment. I find myself reflecting quite deeply on the sheer weight of our current situation, much like one might contemplate the complex mechanics of a vintage timepiece or the intricate layers of a well-composed symphony, where every single gear and note must align perfectly to achieve true harmony. It strikes me that we are standing at a rather significant crossroads, isn't it? One cannot help but feel that the momentum we have built up—much like a heavy freight train gaining speed on a long stretch of Midwestern track—is being met with certain unforeseen frictions that require our most deliberate and measured attention. There is a certain gravity to these developments that demands more than just a passing glance; it requires us to sit, perhaps with a warm cup of coffee in hand, and truly parse through the implications of what is unfolding before us. I am genuinely optimistic, however, because history has shown us that even the most turbulent waters eventually settle, provided one maintains a steady hand on the tiller and keeps a keen eye on the horizon. It seems, quite frankly, that those rascals have simply vanished into thin air, much like a sudden summer thunderstorm rolling through the Midwest, leaving nothing behind but a damp pavement and a sense of bewildered quietude. 😁

I truly find myself wondering, with a sense of profound bewilderment, how one could possibly possess such a complete and utter lack of shame. 🤷
It is truly fascinating, if somewhat disheartening, to observe how the situation has unfolded. Half of that roster was originally drawn from the Kansas City Chiefs, yet the Chiefs didn't provide even a single cent in compensation for any of them! It strikes me as quite peculiar that the leadership over at San Diego, instead of celebrating the fact that they can finally share a headline with the Kansas City Chiefs in the national papers, has chosen to pursue legal action instead. In my humble estimation, one ought to consider filing a countersuit; perhaps then the whole structure might just unravel entirely. 😠 🙂

silenttiger3 said:It's just awful... pure horror... zero style🤮... total napalm... this isn't the Black Knights...

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Morgan Sanchez64 said:We’re just being hypocritical and full of empty rhetoric, unwilling to make even the slightest sacrifice or compromise. Honestly, that's the blunt truth. When I really sit down and think about it, people just don't care enough.

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Morgan Sanchez64 said:I truly hope that's the case. However, some of your more prominent figures seem to accidentally betray themselves right here on this forum. For instance, saying Mamić is absolute trash while claiming Dinamo is lightyears ahead of the Kansas City Chiefs? That is a textbook contradiction.
I am not suggesting this applies to everyone, but I am certain there are those among us who fit the description. Regardless, that isn't even the primary issue. There are much more significant factors at play. We are hypocrites—full of empty rhetoric and unwilling to make any real sacrifices or compromises! That is the blunt truth. When I really think about it, it's killing me. People simply don't care enough.

Exactly...

Scott Gonzalez said:I suppose I should probably address this latest mess regarding the recent decisions made by the USSF. It’s all quite exhausting, isn't it? One can hardly keep up with the sheer level of incompetence drifting through the higher echelons of the league lately. I was reading through some reports earlier—though why anyone bothers with such things anymore is beyond me—and it seems the situation surrounding the Kansas City Chiefs is becoming increasingly convoluted. The Board of Directors seems to be operating in a vacuum, if that's even possible. They issue these directives, and then we're all left to pick up the pieces when the inevitable fallout occurs. It reminds me somewhat of those old legal battles you see in the Superior Court, where everyone talks in circles but nobody actually moves toward a resolution. Perhaps that's just the way things are headed now. Everything feels a bit fractured. I caught wind of what bluehound15 was saying about the refereeing body, and honestly, I find myself inclined to agree, though perhaps with more hesitation. The officiating has been... well, let's call it inconsistent. It’s hard to maintain any sense of decorum when the rules seem to shift depending on which side of the field you're standing on. It makes one wonder if there's any actual standard being applied at all. Maybe I'm just being cynical, but after seeing how the USSF Disciplinary Committee handles these matters, it's difficult to hold onto any illusions of fairness. It’s a wearying cycle. You expect a certain level of professionalism from a major American Club, yet here we are again, debating the same fundamental issues of integrity and management. I guess we'll just have to wait and see how the next round of decisions unfolds. Not that it'll change much, I suspect. It rarely does.

I suppose some people just find comfort in those old, tired labels. It’s all very predictable, I guess. Some people always need a scapegoat, always need someone to point a finger at just to feel like they have some sort of footing in this chaotic world. Maybe it's just how things go. Not that I'm making any excuses for it... it's just an observation, really. A weary one. BILI Those people... they just remain the same. Always. I suppose it’s inevitable, really. Some things never change, no matter how much time passes or how much you wish they would. It's just the way it is, I guess. 😁

Thank God you guys are getting relegated this year, though who knows when you'll actually make it back... Either way, I suppose I’ll finally get some peace and quiet from those city-slicker lackeys for the next few seasons...